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$1999 MBP M2 Pro 10CPU 16GPU 16GB 512GB
$1699 MBA M2 8CPU 10GPU 16GB 512GB
$300 difference
Nice cherry picking, you compare the higher binned m2 air with the extra gpu cores but use the lower binned pro to make your argument. You want to go for the higher binned chips in their respective class then you can do that for both.

Wow some of you guys get desperate at this, seriously…. I didn’t realize some of these hardcore “pro or nothing” guys were so gullible to the word “pro” lmao! No wonder why apple keeps driving up prices. Look at this guy, doing all he can to justify keep paying more, even if it’s just for couch surfing. Way to go! I love the irony of your signature as you do this too
 
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$1999 MBP M2 Pro 10CPU 16GPU 16GB 512GB
$1699 MBA M2 8CPU 10GPU 16GB 512GB
$300 difference
Nice cherry picking, you compare the higher binned m2 air with the extra gpu cores but use the lower binned pro to make your argument. You want to go for the higher binned chips in their respective class then you can do that for both.

Wow some of you guys get desperate at this, seriously…. I didn’t realize some of these hardcore “pro or nothing” guys were so gullible to the word “pro” lmao! No wonder why apple keeps driving up prices. Look at this guy, doing all he can to justify keep paying more, even if it’s just for couch surfing. Way to go! I love the irony of your signature as you do this too
It is like Jedi mind tricks. You do not see a difference in price here. You will get the Pro. Move along, move along. Lol

Spin the logic any way you want it the fact remains that the M2 14/16" MBP are a lot more expensive comparatively configured.

If you want to spend the extra money and like the Pro I have no problem with that. It is a great laptop. Just stop with the false comparisons which always lead to a predictable outcome.

Most of the people who constantly talk about the MBA vs MBP using your logic just want a justification for the mind they have already made up. Nothing can be said to open their minds to the possibility that some people don't want or need to spend the extra money to get a Pro. If a person is defined by what they have they will always seek to have the theoretical best because if they don't have the best then it reflects on that person by possibly making them feel inferior.

All of the comparisons between the MBP and MBA tend to devolve into a spec war with the one with better specs always being better no matter the use case of respective individuals and if the person arguing for the Pro can spin cost to their advantage all the more reason they are right. It really gets tiring when trying to have a discussion that goes a little deeper than a spec sheet.
 
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It is like Jedi mind tricks. You do not see a difference in price here. You will get the Pro. Move along, move along. Lol

Spin the logic any way you want it the fact remains that the M2 14/16" MBP are a lot more expensive comparatively configured.

If you want to spend the extra money and like the Pro I have no problem with that. It is a great laptop. Just stop with the false comparisons which always lead to a predictable outcome.

Most of the people who constantly talk about the MBA vs MBP using your logic just want a justification for the mind they have already made up. Nothing can be said to open their minds to the possibility that some people don't want or need to spend the extra money to get a Pro. If a person is defined by what they have they will always seek to have the theoretical best because if they don't have the best then it reflects on that person by possibly making them feel inferior.

All of the comparisons between the MBP and MBA tend to devolve into a spec war with the one with better specs always being better no matter the use case of respective individuals and if the person arguing for the Pro can spin cost to their advantage all the more reason they are right. It really gets tiring when trying to have a discussion that goes a little deeper than a spec sheet.
By the way they talk in circles, I don’t think some of these guys know anything more then what they can read on a spec sheet or watch on youtube. Some of the “logic” they use is incredible, and not in a good way
 
I am going by the numbers reported by NotebookCheck for the M2 Air and 14" M1MBP; of course nothing yet on the M2 MBPs.
When has any device lasted as long as any OEM quotes?

Those run times are using controlled conditions with minimal cpu/GPU use and very low brightness.

Again I am pretty sure the new M2 MBP 14/16" will have better battery than the previous generation but it can't compete with the air because the air doesn't have to power fans, smaller screen and IPS vs mini led, and smaller core count CPU with less p cores. Even when you account for the battery size difference and Apple's theoretical numbers in real life the Pros use more battery.

That doesn't mean the new PROs are bad just not as long and the 14" with M1 Max did not last very long. Compared to Intel they are still much better.
 
By the way they talk in circles, I don’t think some of these guys know anything more then what they can read on a spec sheet or watch on youtube. Some of the “logic” they use is incredible, and not in a good way
They aren't using deductive reasoning or logic just trying to prove a point by any means necessary.

They use numbers and specs like an accountant for the Mob. Lol
 
I have to laugh some days at the twisted math equations some people try to come up with to justify their decisions. As you said, there's a big price difference now between the air and pros now that they are both updated. Which us rational people have been trying to say for months now lol.

Even if they were a lot closer in price, they're devices with different strengths so people shouldn't be shopping only on horsepower specs like they're trading commodities.

15 years ago I could not and would not use anything less than a Mac Pro tower. I'm on a 16" today. A few years from now, I might end up on an Air. If that happens it'll be because the Air is addressing my needs better than a MBP.
 
Do another poll asking who's willing to pay 18% more to upgrade from 10GPU to 16GPU that should significantly reduce 3D rendering time and close to doubling of gaming frame rate based on previous generation GPU core scaling along with getting 2 additional CPU cores, better WIFI 6E vs 6, bigger 70Wh vs 52.6Wh battery, larger display, 120Hz, HDMI port, additional USB-C port, memory card slot, possibly better multi-monitor support, etc. Poll options would be yes, no and outside of M2 MBA return period.

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Do another poll asking who's willing to pay 18% more to upgrade from 10GPU to 16GPU that should significantly reduce 3D rendering time and close to doubling of gaming frame rate based on previous generation GPU core scaling along with getting 2 additional CPU cores, better WIFI 6E vs 6, bigger 70Wh vs 52.6Wh battery, larger display, 120Hz, HDMI port, additional USB-C port, memory card slot, possibly better multi-monitor support, etc. Poll options would be yes, no and outside of M2 MBA return period.

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Gaming on a Mac? Okay.

Wifi 6e? I mean sure it would be nice to have but I would rather have wifi 7 in the newer AMD and Intel processors. 6e only makes a difference if you have congestion it is not a faster protocol.

Battery size is irrelevant considering the facts I already mentioned in a previous post. Battery size being larger doesn't equate to longer battery life with a more power hungry cpu/GPU and screen.

Larger display of you are talking 14" that is .4"?

Ports are nice if you don't mind the extra size to accommodate them and can't use a dongle that most Mac owners already own from previous generation MBA and Pro with only thunderbolt ports.

As I have already pointed out your cost comparisons don't make any sense and are as another poster put, "cherry picked".

Nice dig with the outside return window. 😂 Lol

Anyway I hope you get an M2 MBP and enjoy it. Although if screen size is important to you and rendering time and gaming is important to you I would recommend the 16" M2 Max and at least 32gb ram and since you are doing rendering probably need at least 1tb SSD. I wonder how much more that BTO would cost over the measly M2 MBA which no body who has one would be doing any of that on any serious basis anyway?

And lastly your specs are only important for those who need them and don't mind the extra weight and size, having to deal with fans and vents and the overall decreased ease of use and portability.

But if you want to pay more for all of that then that is great. But it doesn't make the cost better on the MBP and a better choice over the MBA specially when a real power user would never buy a base 14" MBP or a M2 MBA.
 
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Just to simplify this thread most people who bought the M2 MBA would not regret it simply because there is a new and better M2 MBP.

The people who buy M2 MBA have a completely different use for their laptops than those who buy the Pro models.

The only reason this discussion even exists is because the M2 MBA is so powerful there is a bit of overlap and some people who prioritize size and weight will push the air beyond it's intended use case because they can and they may be professional users. And because of YouTube videos.

Most of us who have a M2 MBA are surprised by what it can do and it serves all of our needs.

Why would we regret that Pro users get to enjoy what we have had for months but tailored for their use? I am happy for Pro users because Apple has delivered a great product for them again.

It is kind of like saying when the new Mac studio with M2 ultra is released will all the M2 MBP 14/16" users regret their purchase??
 
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Desktop storage different than laptop. I do fine w 256GB ssd boot drive on my Mac Pro because I have terabytes of storage attached. Laptop supplemental storage not as readily available in many scenarios. So a little extra headroom on the laptop is desirable often as a convenience but sometimes a necessity. Could I workaround a 256 on a laptop? Yes. Do i want to? No. As is so often the case, it is not a binary choice between full time pro use and light internet/ office use.

As for what the Air was designed for, apparently a range of uses with various upgrades to match. My only gripe is with the prices Apple charges for upgrades as you have pointed out.
Desktop storage is exactly the same as the laptop storage. The rest of your post repeats what I’ve already said.
 
Do another poll asking who's willing to pay 18% more to upgrade from 10GPU to 16GPU that should significantly reduce 3D rendering time and close to doubling of gaming frame rate based on previous generation GPU core scaling along with getting 2 additional CPU cores, better WIFI 6E vs 6, bigger 70Wh vs 52.6Wh battery, larger display, 120Hz, HDMI port, additional USB-C port, memory card slot, possibly better multi-monitor support, etc. Poll options would be yes, no and outside of M2 MBA return period.

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Who’s buying a MacBook Air for 3d rendering? Who’s spending thousands on any mac to game? Talk about screwed up logic there

I’m willing to pay LESS for a device that’s roughly 30% thinner AND lighter, that’s fanless and don’t have to worry about any dust build up. Plus it’s stupid fast for any tasks I’ve ever thrown at it. There’s absolutely nothing my air can’t do what I ask of it. Because some of us actual use our OWN logic and rationale to make a purchase. Not to appease egocentric people on a forum that live or die by the name “pro”

Are you guys really THIS thick skulled to not see past the spec sheet and look at what the air was intended for? Who it was intended for? Clearly not, and what shame, really giving this pro crowd a bad name.

I’m going to go sleep now, and atleast know I bought a device that’s actually right for me, not what Timmy next door told me.
 
I thInk the real question is does anyone who bought an M1 Pro/Max 14/16" regret their purchase?

They are the ones who spent tons of money if they got a BTO and not a base 14" . Specifically if they got one in the last 3 months or so.

If I paid 3k or more I would regret my purchase on an M1 MBP.
 
I thInk the real question is does anyone who bought an M1 Pro/Max 14/16" regret their purchase?

They are the ones who spent tons of money if they got a BTO and not a base 14" . Specifically if they got one in the last 3 months or so.

If I paid 3k or more I would regret my purchase on an M1 MBP.
They would rather die then admit such a thing
 
No regrets at all. I knew M2 Pros would be coming out "soon," but purchased an upgraded M2 MBA anyway, because I wanted a maximally portable laptop. I'm already hauling around an older Intel MBP every day, and adding second Pro wasn't a desirable option.

I love the M2 MBA, a perfect little machine for what I wanted it for.
 
No why would I regret my decision? I could have bought a M1 Pro which was already great value. But I don’t need that kind of power and prefer a lighter laptop. The M2 Pro does not change anything about that trade-off.
 
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