Anyone else not impressed with the new sleep tracking feature?

[shinemoon]

I don’t have a Apple Watch so want to know is it comfortable to wear the same at bed every night.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I don’t have a Apple Watch so want to know is it comfortable to wear the same at bed every night.

If you use a sport loop, it is very comfortable to wear overnight.

 

[TiggrToo]

I don’t have a Apple Watch so want to know is it comfortable to wear the same at bed every night.

Been doing it for 2 years+ now. Wouldn't go to sleep without it.

 

[PaladinGuy]

That actually does not make any sense. There is not much scientific evidence that HRV that is measured throughout the day is usefull. Al evidence is based on your HRV taken each morning right after waking up together with your resting HR. When your an athlete on a serious training plan then these numbers are very important. If not, then these numbers don’t mean anything at all. Apple can’t possibly make better use of these numbers without knowing your personal training plan. And that means, your entire training plan!
Most training plans incorporate Meso-, Macro-, and Microcycli. Each of those cycli have different fases in which they focus on specific training forms at specific intensity. It could be that according to your training plan, you are supposed to do a strength training followed by a HIIT both at 80% of maximum capacity. Readiness just means whether or not you are ready for this. That variable is binary.

Theoretically, the best training plan is the one with the most training effect whilst still allows your body to recover enough so you’ll always be ready for the next training. In reality, this will almost never happen, so whenever you are not ready for a training, you have to revise the plan otherwise you risk overtraining.

I don’t think it should be Apple that needs to develop anything with these numbers, as they have such specific uses that it wouldn’t serve most of Apples users. Also, there are other companies such as TrainingPeaks or Today’s Plan, that are already way ahead of Apple in this.

Interesting. I did not know most of that. I have an Oura ring, and I like how it tried to blend my activity, sleep, and other health factors to help me know my general readiness. I am not a triathlete or anything crazy and I don’t do super intense training plans. I just have health conditions where it’s good for me to know if I am exercising too much or pushing myself too hard. That, combined with sleep, is a big factor in me keeping my heath conditions under control.

 

[dsdevries]

Interesting. I did not know most of that. I have an Oura ring, and I like how it tried to blend my activity, sleep, and other health factors to help me know my general readiness. I am not a triathlete or anything crazy and I don’t do super intense training plans. I just have health conditions where it’s good for me to know if I am exercising too much or pushing myself too hard. That, combined with sleep, is a big factor in me keeping my heath conditions under control.

Of course I don't know much about your specific health conditions, but unless your recuperative abilities are heavily impaired you probably don't need to worry too much about readiness. In fact, most people rather exercise too little than they are exercising too much. If you have to ask yourself whether or not you exercise enough, you are probably not.

If you are exercising about 3 to 4 times to week, in most cases your body will be perfectly able to recover from each training. Most training forms even when done at 100% of maximum capacity have recovery times that are way lower than the gap between each training. Only with heavy strength training recovery times could become more than 48 to 72 hours. But with strength training it will be mainly the muscular system that will take the hit and not so much the nervous system. Only when you start to workout more than 4 times a week, HRV and RHR really becomes an importart factor. But by then, you will have to understand what these number mean and how to interpret them in other for those numbers to become usefull.

 

[oeagleo]

Does Garmin and Fitbit (probably the top two competitors in this space), handle sleep tracking better?
I suspect everyone is essentially using the same technology, but different in how the information is displayed.

Don't know about Fitbit, it's been a long time since I used one of those, but I can say that Garmin does a good job, as does the Samsung watch. These two gif's show what is on the phone version of Samsung Health after the Samsung watch does it's sleep thing. Pretty impressive.

 

[PaladinGuy]

Of course I don't know much about your specific health conditions, but unless your recuperative abilities are heavily impaired you probably don't need to worry too much about readiness. In fact, most people rather exercise too little than they are exercising too much. If you have to ask yourself whether or not you exercise enough, you are probably not.

If you are exercising about 3 to 4 times to week, in most cases your body will be perfectly able to recover from each training. Most training forms even when done at 100% of maximum capacity have recovery times that are way lower than the gap between each training. Only with heavy strength training recovery times could become more than 48 to 72 hours. But with strength training it will be mainly the muscular system that will take the hit and not so much the nervous system. Only when you start to workout more than 4 times a week, HRV and RHR really becomes an importart factor. But by then, you will have to understand what these number mean and how to interpret them in other for those numbers to become usefull.

I usually exercise 6 times a week. It’s more my energy levels that I have to watch. I’m not concerned about my body recovering fully. I tend to push myself to exercise no matter what, so it just helps me to have something reiterate that I should not push myself on certain days.

You’re probably right though that the numbers are not of enormous importance. I get a kick from data.

 

[oMc]

Not impressed either. I've been using AutoSleep for close to one year now. Unless Apple's sleep feature gets improved upon future release or for future Apple Watches, I'll still be running AutoSleep I guess. It's nice to have a dedicated app on the phone.

 

[dsdevries]

Not impressed either. I've been using AutoSleep for close to one year now. Unless Apple's sleep feature gets improved upon future release or for future Apple Watches, I'll still be running AutoSleep I guess. It's nice to have a dedicated app on the phone.

To be honest, i’ve been using AutoSleep as well, and I was never so impressed by this app. Yes, it shows you a lot of data, but hell the interface is so bad. I’m an athlete with an RHR of 37 and minimum heart rate of 33, and it took me more than a month of fiddling around with calibration settings, nocturnal dip and deep sleep goals before it became accurate. And even now I regularly have to manually edit my results. Also, i have to change calibration settings constantly throughout different fases of training.
In this single week of running WatchOS 7 native sleep tracking side by side of autosleep the results are consistently very close together. We went through a heat wave last week which abruptly ended last night with heavy thunderstorms. Apparently i woke up a few times last night and both AutoSleep and native sleep tracking noticed it. There was only a few minutes difference between the two.
Apple might not “yet” shows you all the data it captures, but they sure know how to analyze it and the data it does give you is very accurate! And that, without the need of any manual calibration adjustments.

 

[oeagleo]

I'm looking at the iOS 13.5.1 version of the "sleep" section in the Health app. I use Sleepwatch, and it inserts the data into Health, as most everyone knows. Well, looking at that, the "graph", and "data" are the same as the "new" sleep tracking in the beta version of iOS. One has to wonder if they are intending to increase that data, or leave it as it is. Anyone have any ideas about that? Do ya think they'll do that?

 

[dsdevries]

I'm looking at the iOS 13.5.1 version of the "sleep" section in the Health app. I use Sleepwatch, and it inserts the data into Health, as most everyone knows. Well, looking at that, the "graph", and "data" are the same as the "new" sleep tracking in the beta version of iOS. One has to wonder if they are intending to increase that data, or leave it as it is. Anyone have any ideas about that? Do ya think they'll do that?

You have to go into “show all data” in order to see what data is added by which device/app. The overview page in health only shows the data of the leading source. This can be selected in the “data sources” page.