iPhone Anyone else really bummed out about Zephyr?

TH55

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I'm pretty disappointed bc I was going to get a brand new replacement phone tomorrow (I have a 4S running 5.01) but that one swipe up to close app gesture is the most frequently used tweak I have, I can't possibly give that up. I even tried disabling it and assigning the gesture in Activator to simulate the home button and it's significantly slower.
 

Anotone

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If you are getting a 5S, just use touch ID for the home button. Problem fixed. I know it's not the same and it might interfere with some stuff you need to do. However, for me it's perfect. And chpwn has said he probably won't update it, I'm guessing he's too lazy...
 

NovemberWhiskey

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The dev should be giving refunds to those who ask for them until he open-sources the project and lets someone else take over.

Devs like this encourage consumers to doubt support; and this leads to all sorts of activity that devs complain about.
 

TH55

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If you are getting a 5S, just use touch ID for the home button. Problem fixed. I know it's not the same and it might interfere with some stuff you need to do. However, for me it's perfect. And chpwn has said he probably won't update it, I'm guessing he's too lazy...
I'm getting a 4S, but as I said above I already tried replacing the gesture w Activator simulating the home button as you're describing and it is significantly slower. Zephyr was zippy fast.
 

0000757

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The dev should be giving refunds to those who ask for them until he open-sources the project and lets someone else take over.

Devs like this encourage consumers to doubt support; and this leads to all sorts of activity that devs complain about.
No he shouldn't. That's like saying Apple should be giving out refunds for Final Cut Express to anyone who bought it since it's been discontinued.
 

Zac7

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I'm getting a 4S, but as I said above I already tried replacing the gesture w Activator simulating the home button as you're describing and it is significantly slower. Zephyr was zippy fast.
Was there official word it wouldn't ever be updated?
 

TH55

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No he shouldn't. That's like saying Apple should be giving out refunds for Final Cut Express to anyone who bought it since it's been discontinued.
Fair enough but why can't he open-source it or update it one more time for this big release?
 

thadoggfather

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I'm pretty disappointed bc I was going to get a brand new replacement phone tomorrow (I have a 4S running 5.01) but that one swipe up to close app gesture is the most frequently used tweak I have, I can't possibly give that up. I even tried disabling it and assigning the gesture in Activator to simulate the home button and it's significantly slower.
We should have Zephyr soon, though I'm only speaking optimistically

it's kinda nuts Chpwn hasn't said anything about it. Hopefully he pulls an 'evasi0n7' on us right about now. He must know it's peoples preferred tweak of his, and doesn't wanna stir up the pot or what have you.

Love Zephyr, crazy respect for chpwn as a dev, but between this, saying he was gonna quit jailbreak scene after the evasi0n7 thing happened before knowing all the facts and wanting to throw down the cards, not supporting 7.1b2 and seemingly going out of his way on that one (though he doesn't have to, most tweaks even if not designed for 7.1b2 work on it) with IconSupport tweaks (not that I care but merely on principle)... I don't know what to think anymore.

That and potentially abandoning Webscrollian, which I respect for him making period, but seems r_plus has an iOS 7 and 64-bit compatible version up. Phew on that one!
 

NovemberWhiskey

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No he shouldn't. That's like saying Apple should be giving out refunds for Final Cut Express to anyone who bought it since it's been discontinued.
lol. Nice try.

More like I pay for App X, which stops working after Operating System Y's update.

I literally got 1 month of use out of Zephyr.

If devs are given the freedom to do this, then they should appropriately warn users prior to purchase. "Hey, I can stop supporting this at any time, so please exhibit caution before your puchase."

This would never fly in the legitimate development/consumer sales world, and it is actions like this which lead to piracy. If devs don't stand behind their product (either by continued support or refunds), then I won't stand behind those devs.

If he doesn't want to continue it, I provided a fair resolution: open source it and turn it over to someone who will take it up. Fair for both parties if he is quitting.

Legally, if this were more legitimate, there would have been a large-scale class action lawsuit. Since it is so small, it's just a matter of reputation.

I support devs in general, and have even donated a lot in the Android scene, but if you are selling something, you better back it up professionally. This would be completely different if I were donating to him (in which case, pay should have been OPTIONAL).

People and devs should not be taking the standpoint: "hey, I only said it worked for this OS." Like I said, this is going to lead to piracy.

You must create a trust between consumer and merchant if you want an efficient marketplace that can thrive. I care about development, and the only way to grow this marketplace is to create that trust by supporting consumers and developers--not supporting developers and leavings consumers with no recourse but to say "well, I'll just treat that as a donation."

When you act like this is a homebrew scene, it's going to stay that way. When you start acting professionally and treating this as a growth marketplace wherein people can rely on devs, then you really have the start of something.
 
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thadoggfather

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I think you raise fair points but I would also say they should lower prices to lower piracy usher in more sales and accomplish it by saying only supported for iOS x.x and anything else would be icing on the cake. In the end they'd still get the money if they charge 1-2 bucks as opposed to 5 just on a yearly and subscription based revenue model.

Devs argument is with new iOS versions making an app compatible is like building from the ground up but with a solid foundation in mind. Some tweaks are easier to support that are simpler I suppose? I dunno.
 

TH55

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lol. Nice try.

More like I pay for App X, which stops working after Operating System Y's update.

I literally got 1 month of use out of Zephyr.

If devs are given the freedom to do this, then they should appropriately warn users prior to purchase. "Hey, I can stop supporting this at any time, so please exhibit caution before your puchase."

This would never fly in the legitimate development/consumer sales world, and it is actions like this which lead to piracy. If devs don't stand behind their product (either by continued support or refunds), then I won't stand behind those devs.

If he doesn't want to continue it, I provided a fair resolution: open source it and turn it over to someone who will take it up. Fair for both parties if he is quitting.

Legally, if this were more legitimate, there would have been a large-scale class action lawsuit. Since it is so small, it's just a matter of reputation.

I support devs in general, and have even donated a lot in the Android scene, but if you are selling something, you better back it up professionally. This would be completely different if I were donating to him (in which case, pay should have been OPTIONAL).

People and devs should not be taking the standpoint: "hey, I only said it worked for this OS." Like I said, this is going to lead to piracy.

You must create a trust between consumer and merchant if you want an efficient marketplace that can thrive. I care about development, and the only way to grow this marketplace is to create that trust by supporting consumers and developers--not supporting developers and leavings consumers with no recourse but to say "well, I'll just treat that as a donation."

When you act like this is a homebrew scene, it's going to stay that way. When you start acting professionally and treating this as a growth marketplace wherein people can rely on devs, then you really have the start of something.
What is the best thing I can do to encourage him to update it, write him on Twitter?
 

Thepoobear

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I believe I read that the dev was offended by the evad3rs and quit...Pretty childish seeing as WE paid him for his work. $5 is a lot for a swipe tweak.

I'd also agree that this needs to go open source.
 

localboy28

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Chpwn used to be really helpful but recently he has become an arrogant ass
Read over his tweets.
 

iMrNiceGuy0023

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I used it a lot on iOS 6. But I have the 5S now and Virtual a Home does it for me. But it's touch ID only.

I'm sure he wouldn't mind updating it, but Control Center has taken over the main gesture.
 

TH55

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I used it a lot on iOS 6. But I have the 5S now and Virtual a Home does it for me. But it's touch ID only.

I'm sure he wouldn't mind updating it, but Control Center has taken over the main gesture.
You can turn off control center. How can we get him to update it?
 

badlt1

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CC toggles is a nice alternative

Zephyr was one of my favorite tweaks when I had my 4s. On my 5s I am using CC toggles with the home button and the App switcher enabled in the quicklaunches, It is very very close to Zephyr and I am very happy with it. Plus is allows me to continue to use my Apple control center.
 

thelatinist

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I don't know what you guys are talking about. Grant Paul (chpwn) has already updated several of his tweaks, including infinidock and is working on Gridlock as we speak. Yes, he was upset that the evad3rs apparently used an exploit he revealed to them without asking, but he quickly announced that he would be working to update his tweaks. I don't know what his plans are for Zephyr; I suppose it's possible he thinks it is now obsolete. But I am pretty sure he hasn't said anything to that effect.

Talk about impatience and assumptions.
 

TH55

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I don't know what you guys are talking about. Grant Paul (chpwn) has already updated several of his tweaks, including infinidock and is working on Gridlock as we speak. Yes, he was upset that the evad3rs apparently used an exploit he revealed to them without asking, but he quickly announced that he would be working to update his tweaks. I don't know what his plans are for Zephyr; I suppose it's possible he thinks it is now obsolete. But I am pretty sure he hasn't said anything to that effect.

Talk about impatience and assumptions.
Best news I've heard yet.
 

TH55

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I don't understand why you just assumed that chpwn wouldn't be updating Zephyr instead of, you know, asking him. Or even just reading his Twitter account. That's all I did.
I didn't assume, it's what everyone on here was saying had been confirmed.

Did you read that he in fact is specifically updating Zephyr? This is a big deal to me, bc if not I will not be getting a replacement 4S. I'm running 5.01 now and don't want to lose Zephyr, it's by far my most frequently used tweak.
 

thelatinist

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I didn't assume, it's what everyone on here was saying had been confirmed.

Did you read that he in fact is specifically updating Zephyr? This is a big deal to me, bc if not I will not be getting a replacement 4S. I'm running 5.01 now and don't want to lose Zephyr, it's by far my most frequently used tweak.
As I said in my post:

I don't know what his plans are for Zephyr; I suppose it's possible he thinks it is now obsolete. But I am pretty sure he hasn't said anything to that effect.
 

0000757

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I literally got 1 month of use out of Zephyr.
If this situation was say, one day, maybe one week at the MOST you'd be justifiable, but it's not the situation, as you've stated it's been one MONTH. Furthermore, you CHOSE to upgrade. You could have easily waited and see what others were saying about the program on iOS 7. It was YOUR choice.

If devs are given the freedom to do this, then they should appropriately warn users prior to purchase. "Hey, I can stop supporting this at any time, so please exhibit caution before your puchase."
That's something that's well understood at any time of product purchase. That's understood when purchasing ANY product. This is even more understood with a program on an updated system.

For example, say updating to Mavericks completely broke Microsoft Office. Microsoft has also said after the fact that they are discontinuing Office for Mac. Well if Bob just bought Office for Mac a month before Mavericks was released, and he didn't check to make sure it was compatible, it's his fault. Not Microsoft's. He's not entitled to a refund.

This would never fly in the legitimate development/consumer sales world, and it is actions like this which lead to piracy. If devs don't stand behind their product (either by continued support or refunds), then I won't stand behind those devs.
Except it DOES, all the time. Look at paid updates in the App Store for example. This happens exactly.

If he doesn't want to continue it, I provided a fair resolution: open source it and turn it over to someone who will take it up. Fair for both parties if he is quitting.
He doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't want to. Furthermore, unless he's copyrighted or patented whatever technology or design he's created, anyone can go out and make a clone. In fact I bet you right now someone already is developing a similar tool for iOS 7.

Legally, if this were more legitimate, there would have been a large-scale class action lawsuit. Since it is so small, it's just a matter of reputation.
No, it wouldn't.

I support devs in general, and have even donated a lot in the Android scene, but if you are selling something, you better back it up professionally. This would be completely different if I were donating to him (in which case, pay should have been OPTIONAL).
So when Sony discontinues the Playstation 3, I should be entitled to a full refund, right? Or when iOS stops supporting my iPhone 5 I should be entitled to a full refund, right? Or when program X is no longer, supported, I'm in entitled to a full refund, right? WRONG.

People and devs should not be taking the standpoint: "hey, I only said it worked for this OS." Like I said, this is going to lead to piracy.
I'm not sure how you made the connection of "no longer supported = piracy". Any case, no it will not.

You must create a trust between consumer and merchant if you want an efficient marketplace that can thrive. I care about development, and the only way to grow this marketplace is to create that trust by supporting consumers and developers--not supporting developers and leavings consumers with no recourse but to say "well, I'll just treat that as a donation."
Developers do not work for you.

When you act like this is a homebrew scene, it's going to stay that way. When you start acting professionally and treating this as a growth marketplace wherein people can rely on devs, then you really have the start of something.
Weird, considering as evidenced above that's how you've been treating it.

You're not entitled to anything at all. You made the choice to upgrade. Developers don't personally work for you, they're not machines just pumping out code. If he doesn't want to, he doesn't have to. If the iOS developers at Apple just decided to not go any further, they can do that. Nobody in the developer world has to do anything for you.

Stop acting like you're owed something, because you aren't.
 
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