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Why cell phones are so often scams

but I dont know, something about CELL PHONES bring out so many criminals. I cant think of another category more full of scams, clones, crooks, stolen goods, robberies, etc. I've bought macbooks, laptops, motorcycles, stereos, computer parts and NOTHING is more saturated with shady people than the cell phone category.

I think the reason is that the cell phones are high dollar items WITH INSURANCE. It's a very safe scam for a criminal. They get a subsidized phone with little money out of pocket that is worth many hundreds of dollars. They sell it on CL or eBay then file a claim on their phone as lost or stolen and insurance sends them a replacement. AT&T etc don't really care so long as the person keeps paying their monthly bill. I believe the insurance payout is handled by (usually) a 3rd party.

Once AT&T blacklists a phone as stolen or lost there is NOTHING the buyer can do. AT&T won't take any action. There is no recourse for the buyer. The whole situation sucks, but it's most specific to cell phones because the seller can get a quick replacement via insurance and pocket hundreds of dollars and the buyer cannot do ANYTHING. Very safe for the criminal.

Any item MIGHT have a credit card provision for purchase insurance for loss (I've used this myself), but neither AT&T nor even Apple have a way (currently) to blacklist a computer and keep it from being usable. And, we had to file a police report when someone stole my wife's BB. The credit card company required that step before they'd pay on the claim. No such hurdle that I know of before AT&T will screw the buyer. AT&T completely protects the criminal seller and doesn't even require a police report, just an allegation that the phone was lost or stolen.

Cell phones are uniquely "safe" for criminals because the buyer has zero recourse and AT&T and the cops don't care.

<rant> Truthfully if a buyer buys in good faith from a legitimate owner/seller, the buyer has done nothing wrong and having AT&T blacklist the device seems like "theft" of what is private property legally sold by a willing seller and a willing buyer. That the buyer has no recourse is the real problem, and frankly I think AT&T would lose a lawsuit for interfering with private property that wasn't AT&T's property. I'm not a lawyer, it just seems like AT&T is violating Constitutional private property rights of legitimate buyers. Sadly, the Constitution doesn't carry much weight in today's "legal" system. We have a legal system, not a system of Justice, otherwise the NSA couldn't be spying on Americans without probable cause and the POTUS couldn't assassinate American citizens without at least a show trial in abstentia. POTUS doesn't even bother with a show trial because the Constitution doesn't guide America anymore, $$$ guide America. </rant>
 
This happened to me. I got it unlocked through a third party service. Put in a 10 dollar T Mobile sim card and took into an apple store. Told them it was dropping calls (it actually was) and they swapped it out for one with clean IMEI. I suggest you do the same. T mobile will sell a pay as you go sim for 10 bucks plus tax.

But to the OP's question. Most people are honest like the guy above said. If he's willing to meet at an AT&T store then 99% chance you're fine. If you're VERY paranoid, have the rep note your IMEI and if it's claimed as stolen later, go back in and have them call in to have it unblocked. But that won't happen, so you'll be fine.

Another thing, even though T mobile and AT&T said they have merged stolen/lost IMEI databases, it really hasn't happened yet. If all else fails, do what I mentioned above with getting it swapped. Apple doesn't mess with "my iphone was lost" stories. They don't care where you got it. If it's dropping calls/has a problem and it's still under warranty, it'll be replaced.
[doublepost=1484386428][/doublepost]How though wouldn't they look up your name and see if your the actual person who owns it and find out the the original owners reported it stolen and then they would take the phone from you.
[doublepost=1484387163][/doublepost]Okay so I bought a iPhone 6s Plus of a lady on fb through messenger she told me it would work on straight talk and that she's getting the iPhone 7 I didn't think anything of checking the imei number or meeting her at the at&t store dumb to not do so just I was happy to get the iPhone 6s Plus well it worked for a couple of days then it stopped making calls and called straight talk to find what was going on turn out its reported stolen go to fb she has me blocked but I still have her name and the messages just don't have a way to contact her not sure what to do from here and it's also still under warranty so I'm not really sure what to some one please help
 
goddamn that sucks. so there's no way around this? it's brand new in box too.. asking $470 which i think is a fair price. but even if it wasnt this guy, that means that i should never buy a used phone ever?
Exactomundo

Unless you know the person you are buying from and trust them, buying used phone from stranger always comes with risk. Caviet emptor
 
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[doublepost=1484386428][/doublepost]How though wouldn't they look up your name and see if your the actual person who owns it and find out the the original owners reported it stolen and then they would take the phone from you.
[doublepost=1484387163][/doublepost]Okay so I bought a iPhone 6s Plus of a lady on fb through messenger she told me it would work on straight talk and that she's getting the iPhone 7 I didn't think anything of checking the imei number or meeting her at the at&t store dumb to not do so just I was happy to get the iPhone 6s Plus well it worked for a couple of days then it stopped making calls and called straight talk to find what was going on turn out its reported stolen go to fb she has me blocked but I still have her name and the messages just don't have a way to contact her not sure what to do from here and it's also still under warranty so I'm not really sure what to some one please help

You're posting to a 4 year old thread.
If you bought lost or stolen property call the police and file a report.
They can try to contact her if you have her name and whatever other info you might have on her and take it from there.
 
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goddamn that sucks. so there's no way around this? it's brand new in box too.. asking $470 which i think is a fair price. but even if it wasnt this guy, that means that i should never buy a used phone ever?
That's steep. $470 for iPhone 5 used. Apple sells iPhone 6 refurbished and with one year Apple care warranty for less than that.
 
This happened to me. I got it unlocked through a third party service. Put in a 10 dollar T Mobile sim card and took into an apple store. Told them it was dropping calls (it actually was) and they swapped it out for one with clean IMEI. I suggest you do the same. T mobile will sell a pay as you go sim for 10 bucks plus tax.

But to the OP's question. Most people are honest like the guy above said. If he's willing to meet at an AT&T store then 99% chance you're fine. If you're VERY paranoid, have the rep note your IMEI and if it's claimed as stolen later, go back in and have them call in to have it unblocked. But that won't happen, so you'll be fine.

Another thing, even though T mobile and AT&T said they have merged stolen/lost IMEI databases, it really hasn't happened yet. If all else fails, do what I mentioned above with getting it swapped. Apple doesn't mess with "my iphone was lost" stories. They don't care where you got it. If it's dropping calls/has a problem and it's still under warranty, it'll be replaced.


What exactly did you do at the Apple Store to show the phone was dropping calls? They didn't suspect that the reason being was that the phone was black listed? Please I need to know!
 
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