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Go on CL and the local sale circulars in your hometown paper to see what's being offered in price and specs for windows machines. I'd wait until the end of the month to see about getting windows 7 on any new machine.

Ubuntu netbook remix has been surprisingly usable for me. This, coming from the guy who has been snickering at the "200___ is going to be the year of desktop Linux!" folks.

Other than battery problems and having the topcase replaced, it sounds like your macbook is still working. You may want to consider maxing the ram out on the macbook and buying a faster hard drive to goose all of the extra life you can out of it until you can save up for the system that you want. Doing this-if you haven't done so already-may be more cost effective than switching laptops and operating systems.

If you can get enough extra life out of your current rig to save up for a new one, consider a refurbed 13" mbp and hook it up to a monitor you already have in the house. The long lasting, extra life battery may make it worth your while.

BTW, I'm pretty sure that pc laptop batteries wear out, too....;)
 
As mentioned before, I'd actually pick up a refurbished Mac mini. No batteries to mess with, and amazing reliability. Small too.

I agree, I have a first generation dual core Intel Mini and it has been working without problems for over 3 years now. It was my main Mac for 2.5 years, now I use it as my server as I got a unibody Macbook back in December. Even if I never got the Macbook the Mini would still suite my needs just fine, the Macbook for me is a luxury and I was lucky to get it as a X'mas present.

You can pick up a really decent 23 inch monitor for very cheap these days as well so your wife won't complain.

Also if you and your wife need a bit of portability and don't do anything too intensive when portable (if that makes sense) get a refurb'd iPod touch to go with your Mini.

I use Windows at work and have to support it. I love it when I come home to OS X, I'd say 98% of the time OS X just works. The last thing I want to do is come home after work and have to do more troubleshooting and fixing.
 
The assigned apple guy at my local compusa told me in confidence that the minis were the best computers apple made. He called them "bulletproof" and stated that he almost never saw them in his store for repair.

Mac OSKen had an unverified report that they were going to drop the price on the mini, but put in an atom processor. I hope the first part is true...
 
I will never switch back. I would prefer to buy an used mac or build a hackintosh.

Linux might be an alternative for me. But windows nooo wayy !
 
It'd be nice! But it would still be low on RAM and small on screen size (although to your point elsewhere in your post - small screen is better for folks on the go). The reason I'm hung up about screen size is that this laptop is intended to be our only home machine. It isn't for running around town, but rather for carrying into bed, onto the couch, in the yard on the bench, at the kitchen table, etc.


That's the stuff I am talking about.

I originally bought a 15 inch hp machine before my current laptop, it was a tank like 8 or 9 lbs. I thought the pro "only" being a lb heavier on paper than the 13 would be passable, and I guess I could have lived with it If I had to, but I kept coming back to it being a lead weight. I had totally dismissed the air, until getting my pro, and while I still think its not worth the premium over the macbook, If money were no object, I have a new respect for it now.

Big screen is great don't get me wrong, but think about how often you actually move it around. I have even toyed around with the idea of an imac and netbook for portability, unfortunately I had to take a $150 hit to figure out I personally can't lug around a tank.

it was awesome otherwise, and I am heavily leaning toward another unibody, unless I can get a dramaticly better deal on a windows machine (which is not looking good) or the rumored new macbook.

But I understand your position, I really don't want to go back to a traditional desktop myself, but their are times I wish I had a larger screen, to be honest I think that the older non widescreen laptops are better for a small form factor, cause even on my 14 inch things feel mashed up.
 
The OP is in a position I was in a couple of years ago.
I wanted a mac, but also wanted to play hockey 3 to 4 times a week and needed new skates. I found this site www.gotapex.com
They list all sorts of specials from the OEMs for the tight budgeted consumer looking for a good dea.
 
I personally am hoping the rumored poly macbook will see at least a $200 price drop. If apple would drop it to $700 I think they could grab a huge gain in market share.

I am so with you on this. The "white" Macbook should in no way shape or form be priced where it is at $999. I love my Macs, all of them, but notebook pricing is over the top. The white macbook should be more like $5-$700 MAX. Anyone that thinks differently needs their head examined.

As far as them gaining anything, yeah, I think they could too. For example, my mom, fairly computer savvy, needs a new notebook for home use. There is no way she is spending 1K plus for a Mac, when I can pick her up a decent Dell, run XP on it, and spend around $500. And yes, it WILL outperform the lower end Macbooks, and XP is hardly unstable.

Frustrating at times this pricing thing.
 
Ok this is just ridiculous. I own a mac and pcs... I like new shiny hardware, and I'm well aware of it's costs. I optimize all my technology dollars, I build my own pcs, and upgrade my own macs etc. Try lookin at it in a different way.

I look at it a different way.

Price vs cost

The initial price may be less, but what is the cost in the long run?

You need to remember to add the price of antivirus software every year. What other software do you need when you switch?

Do we really need to pay? I've been using AVG free for years. Now Microsoft has Essentials (which is also free and has been working great.) Also as for new apps, that's true, but honestly for most people who normally use the computer for web, documents etc, other than office there's not much else in costs. While people who use the computers more for work will need more specialized apps etc, most of the time those are provided by the company/school your work for.

What is the warranty period of the $700 Best Buy computer? How much does it cost?

Consider the intangibles:

What is the turnaround time on the repair of the Best Buy computer? It's not unusual for people to be without their computer for weeks at a time when they take it into Best Buy to be repaired. If the problem is not fixed, you have to send it back 3 times before they will consider replacing it. Read the horror stories about Best Buy service before you even think about it.

What's the warranty on a mac? 1 year. What's it on most PCs? 1 year. You can get applecare, but that's not free either. Especially on a Macbook pro which can run you up to 349$. To be honest, what I do in this case with macs and PCs is that I use my amex card. I end up with 1 year of additional warranty on it. So 2 years warranty on macbook or PCs.

Now Do you get better service with a mac? Yes. I do love the customer service, I also recommend it to my relatives and friends that can afford it. To be honest I kind of think of buying macs like buying a luxury car like a lexus. The dealers are nice etc, and the hardware is nice, and they really work to get and keep your buisness. That's because of the money involved, they have high margins, and the market will always be there.

Buying a PC is more like buying a tool. Or in the car analogy, like buying a corolla. You're going to be in a busy dealer, where they might not be waiting on you hand and foot. You're going to get a tool that works, but not all the nice things and the service. But not everyone can afford or needs that.

To be honest, probably 90% of people get the service they need, we always read about the 10% of people who get screwed over horribly, or to be honest are truly whiners. I mean just look around at the forums here. Mac forums, but we still get stories of problems etc, but that's because people come here for information, and to bitch.

Finally, time is money. What is your time worth? This may seem irrelevant cost to some people, but it is very real to me. I look at the hours I spent on a PC removing crapware, finding drivers, backing up and re-formatting and reinstalling software. Waiting on hold for 30 minutes, only to get an idiot half a world away, who can't understand my problem.

No thanks. I will pay a little more for a Mac initially to avoid the high cost of a PC down the road.

Ahh I do agree with you, my time is slowly worth more and more to me, also because I'm not a student anymore and I get paid lol. Sadly I've been really disappointed with mac service in NYC, I can't ever seem to get a genius appointment unless I book it first thing at midnight for 3 days from now. If I walk into any apple store, I have to tackle someone, pin them against the wall to ask a question. (It is that busy here) I was much happier with the service in Boston. I liked walking in and talking about my issues and getting them fixed. (even though they were clueless as well about my issues, at least they'd try to help)

To be honest though, not everyone can afford to pay the premium. The cheapest refurb 15 is 1299, and 17 is 1949. To be honest I would likely never buy a 15 or 17 due to size and cost.

Just a quick perusal of newegg shows I can get a Lenovo 15 inch for 499. It's not top of the line by any means, nor is it as fast as the refurb 1299, but it's almost 1/3rd the price. (And if you needed something with discrete graphics and LED backlit etc it would run you 616$)

There are toshiba and MSI 17inch laptops for 549-599. Again the specs are not as fast as the 17inch mac, but the price is less than 1/3 of th the 17 refurb.

For most people these laptops would do fine, and to be honest if I wanted something with a 17 inch display, I'd have to balk a bit paying an extra 1400$ if I didn't need a machine with top of the line specs.

For many people the upfront costs are alot... I could probably scrape up 600$ in a short period of time, but 2 grand? that'd take planning and scrimping and saving. Do I still recommend macbooks for people? yes, it just depends on the person and situation.
 
Listen to the comments - you get what you pay for. All I've read is "the win box has 4gb ram and 320gb hd." You know those are CHEAP right? 4GB of RAM is $67 at Newegg for Crucial and hard drives are cheap, too.

Remember this, too - most anybody can comfortably use a Mac with 2GB of RAM (OS X is much more RAM-efficient). Try using Windows Vista with 2GB - it sucks, believe me, I did it before I talked my wife into switching. That's why these cheap Windows boxes have more memory - THEY NEED IT.

And besides, Macs hold their value. Why don't you sell your old one and combine it with the money you want to spend? Viola, double your money. And don't forget to shop the refurb store - much cheaper, just like new. I regularly see 20" iMacs in there for $899 and 13" MBP's for $999. Deals are out there, you just gotta find them.

BTW: I haven't paid "full price" for any of my Macs. My Macbook was a BestBuy clearance when the aluminums came out - got it for $765. My iMac was used from eBay - got it for $500. And my old PowerBook is actually my most recent purchase - its my "netbook," I got it for $275.

I will never switch back. I would prefer to buy an used mac or build a hackintosh.

Definitely. But then again, I'd rather have a nice, used car than a brand new Hyundai/Kia/Chevy/Ford/etc. Hence the reason my wife drives a 2008 VW Jetta Wolfsburg Ed. instead of a brand new Ford Focus or Chevy Cobalt. :D
 
Definitely. But then again, I'd rather have a nice, used car than a brand new Hyundai/Kia/Chevy/Ford/etc. Hence the reason my wife drives a 2008 VW Jetta Wolfsburg Ed. instead of a brand new Ford Focus or Chevy Cobalt. :D

Lol I purposely avoided those links, and kept my comparison between one company. You might get some very angry people who like Ford or Chevy :)

Also again it proves that it's also about personal taste. I'd probably never buy a VW or Jetta. If I were to buy a new car it'd probably be in 2 categories, cheap reliable like a civic, or high end like a Mercedes AMG, although the Volkswagen CC would be on my list to try. But then again the CC costs a touch more than the Jetta.
 
You might get some very angry people who like Ford or Chevy :) ... Also again it proves that it's also about personal taste. I'd probably never buy a VW or Jetta.

Eh, to each his own. :) We had a Chevy Malibu that, although it was no major trouble, was a pain to get serviced here in Podunk. :D We'd had a Beetle before and she (my wife) loved it. So naturally, the Jetta was it. We love it - small, fast, well-built, good gas mileage. Sure, we could have gotten an "automotive appliance" cheaper, but would it have had leather(ette), heated seats, sat radio, a turbo engine, and the uber-cool DSG transmission? Uh, no. :D But again I say, to each his/her own - my brother-in-law loves his Cobalt...
 
Back to the original question. I would buy a refurb white macbook for $749. They're like new anyway. I had several of them, they're all still going strong (sold them to friends/family). My current MB is a new one, but I don't mind buying refurbs at all (got the 2.8HGZ iMac from refurb store too, I'm very anal how my stuff looks, you cannot tell these refurbs from new). Add $45 for 4GB ram, $70 for a 320GB, 720RPM drive and you have one capable machine.

If 749.00 is too much, I would get a dell or lenovo and install Snow Leopard or XP Pro on it. It's amazing how easy it is to install SL on these systems, I just did it on a Lenovo s10e, I bought it brand new for $280.00. For $500 you could have a decent 15" laptop from lenovo and run SL on it.
 
If money is an issue, don't stretch yourself. Either save up and upgrade, or just go to the windows world for now.

In the current economy, I wouldn't be surprised if you have to switch back, even if it's only temporary.
 
I was a Windows only user for over 20 years. About a year ago I bought a MacBook. Before buying it, I compared a Dell laptop and a Lenovo laptop. I configured both the Dell and the Lenovo with the same hardware options that the MacBook had. At that time, they were about $300 cheaper than the MacBook. I decided to go with the MacBook just for the fun of it, trying something new.

I'm glad I did. The MacBook has saved me countless hours in the work I do. With the MacBook I can get my tasks completed much faster with fewer steps.

At the beginning of this thread the OP is considering a $650.00 Windows laptop or a $1700 Mac. If the prices are that much different, it made me wonder what I would do if I had to buy a new laptop today.

I think the 15" MacBook Pro would be a good choice for what I do at a cost of $1699.00. To compare prices I went to Lenovo.com and configured a T500 with similar features to the MacBook. The price came to $1,393.00. A difference of $306.00 (the Lenovo was on sale with a $296.00 saving).

If I keep the MacBook 3 years, that's only $8.50 per month more than the Lenovo. And for me, the MacBook is actually cheaper in the long run because I can get my work done more efficiently. Plus after the 3 years the MacBook will have a higher resale value.
 
I was a Windows only user for over 20 years. About a year ago I bought a MacBook. Before buying it, I compared a Dell laptop and a Lenovo laptop. I configured both the Dell and the Lenovo with the same hardware options that the MacBook had. At that time, they were about $300 cheaper than the MacBook. I decided to go with the MacBook just for the fun of it, trying something new.

I'm glad I did. The MacBook has saved me countless hours in the work I do. With the MacBook I can get my tasks completed much faster with fewer steps.

At the beginning of this thread the OP is considering a $650.00 Windows laptop or a $1700 Mac. If the prices are that much different, it made me wonder what I would do if I had to buy a new laptop today.

I think the 15" MacBook Pro would be a good choice for what I do at a cost of $1699.00. To compare prices I went to Lenovo.com and configured a T500 with similar features to the MacBook. The price came to $1,393.00. A difference of $306.00 (the Lenovo was on sale with a $296.00 saving).

If I keep the MacBook 3 years, that's only $8.50 per month more than the Lenovo. And for me, the MacBook is actually cheaper in the long run because I can get my work done more efficiently. Plus after the 3 years the MacBook will have a higher resale value.


Yesss exactly. the price is "higher" for specs that seem same or lower.. Except with a Mac you buy more than just specs, you buy productivity/fun/resale value/efficiency.

With a PC, you buy a bunch of numbers that look great until 6 months later when the new latest and greatest numbers come out.

My 3 year old Macbook is a great performer still, barely feel the need to upgrade save for my eyes wanting a bigger screen, my back wanting something lighter, and my Civilization IV addiction wanting a better video card.

I'll stick with the Macbook though until I can't use it anymore or a really attractive offer comes by..

Patrix.
 
It'd be nice! But it would still be low on RAM and small on screen size (although to your point elsewhere in your post - small screen is better for folks on the go). The reason I'm hung up about screen size is that this laptop is intended to be our only home machine. It isn't for running around town, but rather for carrying into bed, onto the couch, in the yard on the bench, at the kitchen table, etc.

You complain so much about screen size and RAM, yet you said you work on computers. /facepalm

RAM is dirt cheap these days, you can get a 4GB DDR3 1066MHz kit (2x2GB) for about $100. You can sell the 2GB stock ram back out for about $50, and I'm sure most small local computer stores will gladly take them.

If screen size is a problem, settle on an external display. 15" is nice, but if you're planning to lug that around the house a lot, mind you that it's quite cumbersome. I had a 15" MBP before, and I lug that around everywhere, on a few occasions I almost dropped it. But after switching to the 13", I have no problem lugging it around the house.

And, what's the big deal in buying refurbs? It's as good as buying brand new, especially when you're trying to save a few hundred dollars. Apple's quality control on refurbs are much higher than their out-of-factory products. You might find a couple of nicks and dings, but if you're going to lug the laptop around in the house like that, you'll eventually end up with more anyways, so why bother buying brand-spankin-new?
 
Yesss exactly. the price is "higher" for specs that seem same or lower.. Except with a Mac you buy more than just specs, you buy productivity/fun/resale value/efficiency.

With a PC, you buy a bunch of numbers that look great until 6 months later when the new latest and greatest numbers come out.

Quoted for truth. I bought my MacBook earlier this year, and my friend bought a similar spec'ed Dell for about half as much. It's been 8 months and his laptop runs much slower than mine. And in terms of resale, I can still sell mine for at $1200 and his $899 laptop only goes for about $300 on the market right now.
 
i know the feeling :(...
even tho i have this almost brand new white macbook right now i know in a few years it will eventually be out of date to the point where i cant run any of the software i need to.. so when the time does come around that i do go to college i will probably buy an HP. plus windows 7 aint that bad :D im really am hopeing that 2ghz will get me 5 or 6 years
 
Switching back due to money and hassles with SL

My white Macbook's "super"drive failed about a year ago which was fine until it stopped recognizing my external Lite-on slim drive. Spent way too much time installing SL via USB drive, shared dvd drive, and over network methods until one worked. When I did, found out eyeTV, Parallels, screensavers, and utilities were not compatible... and those companies either had no SL version or wanted more $. THEN I lost my home folder after using the guest account. THEN my Address Book and Mail locked up after creating a Smart Group with negative parameter in Address Book. After that I returned SL back to Apple and of course they were cool about it. Got back to Leopard via my SuperDuper backup.
So after these Vista-like hassles with Snow Leopard I have been seriously considering switching to Windows7... if it really is as good as the reports indicate. I still recommend Mac to my non-technical friends and explain that when you factor in the price of additional software you need for a PC to be equivalent to a Mac, the cost is about the same. Well now I am finding free alternatives to mac programs like Picassa for iPhoto, Thunderbird for Mail, etc. and I'll still have iTunes and my Quicktime PRO in windows versions. The cost of hardware (ram, vid cards, hd, etc.) are significantly less than what Apple charges. It might be viable to just buy a cheap PC and by the time I have issues I will just buy the next better PC instead of holding on to my Macbook and iMac for years.
 
i know the feeling :(...
even tho i have this almost brand new white macbook right now i know in a few years it will eventually be out of date to the point where i cant run any of the software i need to.. so when the time does come around that i do go to college i will probably buy an HP. plus windows 7 aint that bad :D im really am hopeing that 2ghz will get me 5 or 6 years

I'm not an apple true believer or fanboy, but doesn't that kind of depend on what you're using it for?

If it's for net surfing, emails and word processing, then it's still usable. I'm still using a p4m laptop for a lot of basic stuff at work, and it-well-works. Ive also got a 12" g4 powerbook at home for couch, porch and garage computing, and it still handles basic stuff adequately.

If you're using it for higher end functions like photoshop, video editing, etc., it will be out of date and unable to use the latest OS and applications like any wintel machine will be. I wouldn't use either of my older machines for anything processor intensive unless I absolutely had to.

No machine is going to be top of line for very long. Chip makers release new chips with new speeds and features to sell chips. Computer makers put the new chips in their lineup to sell new machines. Software companies rewrite their code for the new machines to sell updates or new versions of their wares. Such is life.

I got into mac in the last few years of the power pc era. When apple announced that the newest version of the powerbook's g4 chip went from 1.33 to 1.5 ghz, it was a lot easier to say 'meh' and ignore it. Likewise, the netbook showed that most people could effectively make do with a lower power, less powerful chip for their basic or secondary computer needs.

And finally, I'm hoping that windows 7 is everything its proponents are claiming. I'm not a rabid mac fanboy who would cheer like an ewok on endor if microsoft imploded. Choice and options are good for all consumers; and I don't think I'd like technology being dominated by apple any more than Microsoft. A stable, secure, easy to use OS on competitively priced computers with a choice of hardware component features is a win.
 
My white Macbook's "super"drive failed about a year ago which was fine until it stopped recognizing my external Lite-on slim drive. Spent way too much time installing SL via USB drive, shared dvd drive, and over network methods until one worked. When I did, found out eyeTV, Parallels, screensavers, and utilities were not compatible... and those companies either had no SL version or wanted more $. THEN I lost my home folder after using the guest account. THEN my Address Book and Mail locked up after creating a Smart Group with negative parameter in Address Book. After that I returned SL back to Apple and of course they were cool about it. Got back to Leopard via my SuperDuper backup.
So after these Vista-like hassles with Snow Leopard I have been seriously considering switching to Windows7... if it really is as good as the reports indicate. I still recommend Mac to my non-technical friends and explain that when you factor in the price of additional software you need for a PC to be equivalent to a Mac, the cost is about the same. Well now I am finding free alternatives to mac programs like Picassa for iPhoto, Thunderbird for Mail, etc. and I'll still have iTunes and my Quicktime PRO in windows versions. The cost of hardware (ram, vid cards, hd, etc.) are significantly less than what Apple charges. It might be viable to just buy a cheap PC and by the time I have issues I will just buy the next better PC instead of holding on to my Macbook and iMac for years.

Sorry to hear about your compatibility issues on SL; it really flies in the face of the 'it just works' mantra of the apple p.r. department, doesn't it?

But aren't there potential compatibility issues when updating any operating system? If you've got a lot of custom stuff on your rig, it's always better to adopt a 'wait and see' approach when updating rather than running out to the store immediately and buying it. Vista had drivers issues galore when it first came out, and windows 7 requires a start from scratch installation. I've got hopes for win7, but I'll wait to let others be the guinea pigs before I try it on boot camp.

Finally, all pc makers are buying the same component parts from the far east, so I'm not inclined to guess whether an apple hard drive is any better or worse than one found on a (gasp) dell. Sorry to hear about your hardware problems on your macbook, but that's why I always put extended applecare on my portables (and keep them on a stand away from by cup of coffee).

If windows 7 is everything it's supposed to be, I just may buy a windows replacement if any of my machines die out of warranty.
 
save as much as you can and if you still dont have enough buy it and put the rest on a credit card.
but really what is your situation in which you cant get 1000 dollars within the next year or so? im 14 years old and i can got make 1000 in like 2 months just on the weekend. put some overtime in at work if you need to
 
I hear you OP. I am debating the same issues now.
We have an iMac and a HP netbook. The iMac is for my wife's photography work and I use the netbook mainly for surfing the web, email, itunes. I am finding the netbook is just a little underpowered for watching videos from the web (youtube, hulu, etc).

I would like to go back to a mac notebook. OSX is a more elegant system to work with but I am having a hard time justifying the added cost.

Since Apple failed me again with the updates today, I have decided that
I will wait until reviews of Windows 7 are in before buying.
 
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