Anyone hear anything about apple moving to a USB?

Christian247

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I saw a couple things on here saying they were considering moving away from the connector on the bottom of the phone and moving towards a mini USB or something. I was just curious if that wasstill being tossed around, I really want to buy the cable to plug into my tv and and stereo so I can play music videos when I have parties!
 

Etnies419

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They wouldn't do that solely because of the large accessory market that makes use of those connectors. Anywhere you go, you can find something with iPod connectivity. Want to try out a stereo at the store? Just take out your iPhone and plug it in. If it wasn't so widely used with iPods, then maybe they would. But it would be like Apple removing Safari from Macs and replacing it with IE because IE is more widely used.
 

thelatinist

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Why on earth would they switch from a proprietary connector that every accessory manufacturer has to license from them to a connector they'd have to license? That would make no sense, financially.
 

aristobrat

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Because of the eu regulations mentioned above...
They can meet that regulation by including an adapter that plugs into the 30-pin dock connection that has a micro-USB on the other side. Meets the regulation and doesn't require Apple to ditch the connector that every accessory since 2001 works with. :)
 

Rodimus Prime

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They prob wouldn't because that would go against Apple's "go against the norm" code
why would they do that? that would make no sense for them...
They already agreed to go to the mini USB

They can meet that regulation by including an adapter that plugs into the 30-pin dock connection that has a micro-USB on the other side. Meets the regulation and doesn't require Apple to ditch the connector that every accessory since 2001 works with. :)
Why would apple care if they screw over people. Hell they already screwed over a lot of people in the paste by changing something on the 30 pin connector that prevents older accessory for the click wheel iPod at least no longer to work with the iPod touch. Now I do not know when they changed it because I went from the click wheel to a touch but I had to buy a new car charger for my iPod because low and behold charging was not supported on the old one.

I think it is more likely for apple to include or tell people how to make an adapter to from mini USB on the iPhone to the old 30 pin.
 

aristobrat

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Everything I've read has said micro-USB, not mini-USB.

Apple obsoleting the firewire charging (your experience) was irritating to a lot of people. Apple obsoleting every function of every single device designed for iPods/iPhones (by ditching the dock connector) is a little different, in that it's drastic enough that even they wouldn't dare pull it off (IMO)! :)
 

flash144

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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-10165603-78.html?tag=mncol

At the end of the story:

UPDATE: One mobile phone maker is conspicuously missing from the GSMA's list of partners: Apple, maker of the popular iPhone. It shouldn't come as a shock that Apple isn't following the rest of the industry on this one, considering that the company has been marching to the beat of its own drummer in mobile from the beginning.

The good news for iPhone users has always been that the connector that's used to recharge the device is the same one used for some Apple iPods. But annoyingly many iPod docking stations and accessories made by third parties for previous generations of iPods don't work with the iPhone.
 

Small White Car

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Question:

What do those 30 pins do?

If you were to go from a 30 pin dock connector to a 5 pin USB connector what would you be giving up?

What do those other 25 pins do?

I honestly can't have an opinion on this matter without knowing that. Does anyone here know?
 

goosnarrggh

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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-10165603-78.html?tag=mncol

At the end of the story:

UPDATE: One mobile phone maker is conspicuously missing from the GSMA's list of partners: Apple, maker of the popular iPhone. It shouldn't come as a shock that Apple isn't following the rest of the industry on this one, considering that the company has been marching to the beat of its own drummer in mobile from the beginning.

The good news for iPhone users has always been that the connector that's used to recharge the device is the same one used for some Apple iPods. But annoyingly many iPod docking stations and accessories made by third parties for previous generations of iPods don't work with the iPhone.
That quote is from a prior news release, dated February 2009. The follow-up release from June 2009 states that Apple had changed its mind and signed on to the agreement.


Regarding the possibility of maintaining the dock connector as the sole connector on the handset itself, and providing micro USB connectivity via an adaptor: Such a set-up would probably be defined as non-compliant according to the GSMA's specifications.

GSMA says that they will comply with the OMTP CCLDC standard. (See page 5 of their product brief here: http://www.gsmworld.com/documents/Universal_Charging_Solution_Explained_v1.4.pdf ).

The OTMP CCLDC standard compliance matrix says that proprietary connectors on the handset itself are non-compliant. (See page 20 of their product brief here: http://internal.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/51/OMTP Common Charging and Local Data Connectivity v1.0.pdf ).

I see a compromise such as the one mentioned above, namely, maintaining the current dock connector while adding a second, Micro-USB connector, as a possible compliant solution.

Question:

What do those 30 pins do?

If you were to go from a 30 pin dock connector to a 5 pin USB connector what would you be giving up?

What do those other 25 pins do?

I honestly can't have an opinion on this matter without knowing that. Does anyone here know?
Some of those pins provide analog input and output, such as component and composite video outputs, and stereo audio input and output.

Other pins support a not-quite-standard RS232 asynchronous serial connection, used to communicate with certain accessories such as wired remote controls or the IR remote control transceiver on the Universal Dock.

Other pins used to be used to provide firewire data and charging support. Firewire power supplies have different voltage and current characteristics that would fry a USB transceiver chip, so they cannot share a common connection. Pins such as these are probably not connected to anything anymore now that Firewire support has been dropped.

For more details, see this link:
http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml
 

thelatinist

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What do those 30 pins do?

If you were to go from a 30 pin dock connector to a 5 pin USB connector what would you be giving up?
USB has only serial data, power-in, and ground. The dock connector additionally includes pins for composite video, s-video, L and R audio-in and L and R audio-out (analog/line-level), firewire data and power, signaling accessories, power-out for acessories (iTrip, etc.), and a couple of pins that aren't yet used.

http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php/Apple_iPod_dock
 

Small White Car

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USB has only serial data, power in, and ground. The dock connector includes pins for composite video, s-video, L and R audio-in and L and R audio-out, firewire data and power, pins for signaling accessories, power-out for acessories (iTrip, etc.), and a couple of pins that aren't yet used.

http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php/Apple_iPod_dock
So it seems like if they switch to USB, a lot of current accessories won't work without putting a computer chip in THEM to decode digital signals that, right now, the iPod itself decodes.

So say goodbye to a lot of the cheaper accessories.

Yeah, I'm happy that Apple's sticking with this system. People say they're greedy, but it looks to me like this ends up better for me.