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Yeah Hoef.. it's happened to me before.. I would make 5-10 pips profit everyday.. and then wham! a 40 pip loss .. just to wipe out everything i'd made.. heh. You'll get all your pips back soon.

Shard.. i might trade the usd housing starts but i'm so darn sleepy right now. I went to bed at 7 am yesterday.. got maybe 4 hours of sleep.. so I'm not sure if I'll be able to stay up till 5.30 am :p After 4 am, it gets really tough! Should be a good trade though.. according to me, well the housing starts should obviously be a negative number.. I mean, you can see it everywhere.. the housing slump.

Who knows though? Everyone expected the US cpi to come out positive.. and it didn't. I'm more confident of a negative housing number though.
 
Hi,

I saw this thread a few weeks ago and I've read through all the pages, just learning so much.

Im starting to get it. I spent the past two weeks just playing with the demo account and I've had some success.

It seems like the key to make this work is not just making money, but knowing WHY I made money and the more I do it and learn the more confident I get, regardless of whether I made a profit or a loss, because I know WHY, either way.

Thank you Music_Producer, Shard, Curren~sea, and everyone else for providing all this information for the rest of us.

I truly appreciate it,
Nathan

P.S. Is there a forex dictionary anywhere, online or off, that would tell me the definitions of PCE, etc. and what it means?

Forexfactory gives a description sometimes, but other times they dont and so I dont know whether a high or low # is good or bad. Thanks
 
Glad you found the thread useful nhallmark. :) As for a forex dictionary, I don't know of one offhand. You could either Google for one, or try a site like Investopedia. :cool:

Apologies on being away from this thread for a while. In the last couple of weeks I have made some money on buying EUR/USD, a couple AUD/JPY carry trades, lost money a couple times too :eek: and made money buying the December Oil contract at $59 and selling at $62. In the upcoming weeks I will be shorting the NASDAQ100, S&P500 and DJIA30 and they are all well overdue for a correction (might not happen to the New Year though due to tax implications). The Blow Off phase is almost complete and if history repeats itself (as it has with previous Blow Offs) the Blow Down phase will be imminent and profitable. :cool:
 
Glad you found the thread useful nhallmark. :) As for a forex dictionary, I don't know of one offhand. You could either Google for one, or try a site like Investopedia. :cool:

Apologies on being away from this thread for a while. In the last couple of weeks I have made some money on buying EUR/USD, a couple AUD/JPY carry trades, lost money a couple times too :eek: and made money buying the December Oil contract at $59 and selling at $62. In the upcoming weeks I will be shorting the NASDAQ100, S&P500 and DJIA30 and they are all well overdue for a correction (might not happen to the New Year though due to tax implications). The Blow Off phase is almost complete and if history repeats itself (as it has with previous Blow Offs) the Blow Down phase will be imminent and profitable. :cool:

Yeah the AUD/JPY trade has been quite profitable lately .... I thought historically the lull is in April - May time frame?
 
Yeah the AUD/JPY trade has been quite profitable lately .... I thought historically the lull is in April - May time frame?

I am not aware of a historic lull for the AUD/JPY currency pair at all, let alone during the above timeframe, but then again, I'm new to all this, so that could be the case I suppose! ;) I would assume there would be too many economic factors at play though for this to occur on a consistent basis, but I'll put on my charting analysis hat and see what I can find...
 
I am not aware of a historic lull for the AUD/JPY currency pair at all, let alone during the above timeframe, but then again, I'm new to all this, so that could be the case I suppose! ;) I would assume there would be too many economic factors at play though for this to occur on a consistent basis, but I'll put on my charting analysis hat and see what I can find...

Sorry ~Shard~ I ment a lull in stocks
 
Hey, I'm back! Wait for me :p

Been away on a trip to meet my best friends in Washington.. and it was a bloody mess there with the winter storm. Ugh.. glad to be back home in Cali!

Traded the US report on Friday for a nice 29 pips on CMC. That was, ironically the last trade I was going to do with CMC because of all the slippage, but it turned out to be a very good execution so maybe I'll stick with them more :D

Oanda's spreads are back to 10 and I think that's good enough.. better than 15 pip spread. Now if only I could trade on both platforms.

Have you guys watched the massacre of the US $ lately? Man more than 500+ pip moves on GBP/USD, EUR/USD, etc. Obviously this started off with the Chinese statement that they would be diversifying into other currencies besides the $ for their forex reserves. The same damn thing happened in 2005 when I was trading. The chinese announced some crap like that and I recall the USD dropping 300 pips in half an hour :eek:

I'm in on the AUD/JPY trade currently.. Japanese inflation doesn't seem to be a concern, so maybe BOJ won't raise interest rates on the Yen.. even if they do.. the AUD/JPY yield is still excellent enough for all the banks in the world to 'carry' out the carry trade. I would expect to see the AUD/JPY still go higher.. maybe 94+.. even upto 100 if the BOJ doesn't raise JPY rates.

I made my first loss on the USD/CAD pair during the CAD employment change report.. big time slippage, so my trade was executed after 4-5 seconds (while i was sweating away lol) and then the spike reversed. Made a 12 pip loss.. not a biggie but I definitely didn't like that. CAD $ behaves quite strangely at times.. :confused:

Anyway, hope you guys have been trading good (as I can see Shard and Hoef have been at it) :D
 
nhallmark, check out http://www.bls.gov. That's the US Department of Labor website.. they give an explanation of all these terms, but to summarize (or summarise)..

If a report has anything to do with hiking/lowering interest rates, it will move the currency and..

If a report reflects the strength of the economy.. it will move the currency.

For e.g. Employment reports, GDP, etc. are all reflective of the strength of the economy. The better the reports, the currency will move higher and vice versa.

Reports like CPI, PPI would sound confusing.. because:

These reports are basically measuring inflation. The higher the inflation, the currency should drop right? Because its bad for the economy.. but it doesnt work that way. The higher the inflation.. the greater the chance of an interest rate hike.. so the currency moves up in anticipation of that rate hike.

If the next few inflation reports come out lower than expected.. then the markets will figure that the Feds don't need to raise the interest rates, and they might actually reduce the rates to boost the economic growth. So the USD will take a beating. Why do you think the AUD/JPY went up? Because the JPY CPI numbers came out lower than expected (inflation wasn't a risk) so the markets assume that the BOJ won't raise Yen interest rates.

So two types of reports for trading - economic growth indicators, and indicators that can affect an interest rate decision.

And you already know *how* to make the money. These threads give quite a number of examples. The real trick is to get in before any spike.. to have your order executed instantly, and to get out quickly with your profits. That, is by far, the biggest challenge to overcome. If I worked at a bank and had access to currency trading.. geez.. I wonder what I could dp :rolleyes: :p
 
Sorry ~Shard~ I ment a lull in stocks



Ah, gotcha Hoef. I think I know what you are getting at, however I was speaking specifically about Blow Offs and Blow Downs - allow me to elaborate.

Blow offs in the US equity market are rare, but wonderful events for investors holding US equity securities, ETFs and mutual funds. ;) Significant gains are recorded in a relatively short period of time. Unfortunately, blow offs are followed by blow downs where gains realized during the blow offs are quickly lost. When blow offs occur at the end of an economic cycle the blow downs frequently take equity indices to below levels where the “blow off” started.

Blow offs are characterized by a period of 2-4 months when broadly-based equity indices such as the DJIA and S&P500 move sharply higher with little or no correction. Roughly ten blow offs have been identified during the past 34 years with an average gain of 13% per period. Identifying the top of a blow off is virtually impossible. Blow offs take the market to unexpected levels on the upside. Guessing when the top has occurred can be hazardous to your financial health - trust me, I've experienced this firsthand. ;) Technical indicators (e.g. breaking of trend lines, RSI rollovers, MACD, stochastics, etc.) are useful only after the peak has occurred.

The blow down phase is to be avoided at all cost unless you plan on shorting the indicies themselves as I plan to do. ;) :D The average loss per period after the past 10 blow offs has been about 18%. Blow downs typically occur 2-6 months following blow offs. Blow downs are characterized by declining investor sentiment, technical weakness in broadly-based equity indices, a fall in the ratio of stocks in an uptrend versus a downtrend and reductions in economic and earnings estimates offered by analysts.

Since I am an "investing geek" I track this stuff. :eek: Following is data for the past 2 blow offs and blow downs (in a messy ad hoc attempt at a chart :eek: ):

Bottom date*** DJIA************** Top date******** DJIA ************* Percent Change

Oct. 15, 1999 10,020************* Jan.14, 2000*** 11,723************ 17.0
Jan. 28, 2002** 9,618************* Mar.19, 2002** 10,635************ 10.6


Top date******** DJIA************** Bottom date*** *** DJIA********** Percent Decline

Jan.14, 2000** 11,723************* Mar. 7, 2000*** * 9,796************ 16.4
Mar. 19, 2002 10,635************* Oct. 9, 2002*** * 7,286************ 21.5

In my opinion, we are experiencing a Blow Off. The DJIA and S&P500 recorded exceptional non-stop gains from mid-July until the end of November. (Specifically, the DJIA added 15% and the S&P500 gained 14%.) More importantly, I think we are near the end of the Blow Off phase. Will the Blow Down phase start son? Has it started already? Impossible to say. I am seriously considering taking short positions, however I almost think things will not start to fully correct until the New Year, as many investors will not want to take money off the table and realize significant tax gains prior to the end of the year. So, I'm aiming more for January, however that strategy could change at any time. ;)

December is a traditionally weak month for the USD so I will be looking at buying more Gold (next technical target of resistance is around $675/oz), possibly shorting the DJIA, S&P500 and NDAQ100 and will keep my eye on buying EUR/USD and GBP/USD. Lots of opportunities to make money out there and everything is related to each other if you look close enough - or stand far enough back to see the big picture, as it were. :cool:
 
Interesting thoughts ~Shard~ ... Funny how things come around. I used to be a more "fundamentalist" stock picker with the only use for technicals to "time" entry or departure. Now that I have been active in the FX market I am becoming more of a technical trader as of lately .... High Probability Trading by Marcel Link is suddenly very applicable.

Since this became the default go to thread for all investments we might as well start a list of favorite books. Mine besides the one includes Jeremy Siegel's Stocks for the Long Run
 
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Shard, I think the blow down phase has already started.. or should start soon. It seems like all the news reports point to a slowing US economy.. couple that with rising interest rates and you should see the $ and the stock markets fall hard.

Unless, the banks keep everything artifically inflated :mad:
 
Shard, I think the blow down phase has already started.. or should start soon. It seems like all the news reports point to a slowing US economy.. couple that with rising interest rates and you should see the $ and the stock markets fall hard.

Unless, the banks keep everything artifically inflated :mad:

I agree - on both points. ;)

So which trades do you see as the major ones this week? There's the AUD interest rate announcement tomorrow, US employment, non-farm payrolls... Anything related to the GBP which I can set my alarm clock for? ;)
 
You sure you want to ruin your beauty sleep for a few pips? :p

Tomorrow, as far as GBP is concerned there's the Services PMI.. but the more significant reports should be the Canadian interest rate statement (again, trade only if they either hike or lower.. if there's no change do nothing), and the big ones should be the USD non farm and ISM reports.

Aussie GDP should be more important than the interest rate report (again, assuming they keep the rate the same) If they hike/lower the rate, trade accordingly.. you should see moves of 50 pips+. I've seen more movement on the AUD/NZD pair as compared to other crosses.
 
You sure you want to ruin your beauty sleep for a few pips? :p

Haha, yeah I don't mind if it's worth my while... ;)

Aussie GDP should be more important than the interest rate report (again, assuming they keep the rate the same) If they hike/lower the rate, trade accordingly.. you should see moves of 50 pips+. I've seen more movement on the AUD/NZD pair as compared to other crosses.

Yeah, I have that one on my radar screen as well (Aus GDP) - do you have any predictions on that one? From what I've been reading lately quite a number of analysts are bullish on the Australian economy, so should the GDP report be positive for AUD - or perhaps more importantly, is everyone expecting the GDP report to be good?

As for the AUD/NZD pair, I've never looked at it before. I think I'll add it to my "wacth list" and start tracking it. :)
 
Hi guys,

I made 4 pips on USD Unit labor costs and nonfarm productivity this morning.

I didn't trade the CAD interest rate because it stayed the same, as Im sure you know. And Im glad I didn't-that spike went down and then straight back up!

Anyway, thanks for the info and the link, Music_Producer. That clarified some of it.

On another note, I got a free trial for "trade the news" and it says on their site that it lasts 7 days and mine is still working after three weeks.

Does anyone know what's up with that?

Nathan
 
Nathan, I guess you got lucky with the news trial.. just don't let them know its still working :p

Beautiful day today.. made 12 pips on the GBP report, and 24 pips on the US non farm report (both on CMC markets) I wish everyday was like this :D

I didn't trade the CAD either nathan.. when rates stay the same, I just prefer to stay out.. who knows what the heck can happen.

I think the USD strength this morning was not just because of the Non farm report (wasn't that great) but mainly because the USD has been oversold.. and it was time for a little profit taking.
 
Nathan, I guess you got lucky with the news trial.. just don't let them know its still working

Yeah, I think I might have to sign up for a free trial as well - preferrably during a very busy economic week... ;) :D

Beautiful day today.. made 12 pips on the GBP report, and 24 pips on the US non farm report (both on CMC markets) I wish everyday was like this :D

Nice one! Glad that CMC is still working out okay for you. I just watched the trades today, didn't act. The news seemed to be a bit inconsistent, so I wasn't sure which way things would go, and then of course it was too late. ;) The EUR/USD did have a nice steady movement for a bit even after the announcement, but I felt that "the moment had passed" and wasn't about to jump in and trade on speculation. :eek: ;)

I didn't trade the CAD either nathan.. when rates stay the same, I just prefer to stay out.. who knows what the heck can happen.

Yep, my thoughts exactly - I stayed away from this one as well.

I think the USD strength this morning was not just because of the Non farm report (wasn't that great) but mainly because the USD has been oversold.. and it was time for a little profit taking.

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. And that S&P and DJIA just keep climbing. Man, there's going to be some nice shorting to do on those guys when the time is right... patience... :D :cool:

Unfortunately I will not be around for the AUD announcements tonight (interest rate + GDP). I'll wait until the dust settles from those and, either way, I might pop in again for a carry trade.

If you don't mind me asking Music_Producer, what lot size do you carry trade with? I've only just done $100K so far as to minimize my risk until I feel more comfortable with the currency pair, but would love to go for more.... ;) :)
 
Hey Shard, my lot size all depends on the strength of the reports. If its anything non-farm, I push it up to 500k.. GBP stuff is usually 300 k. Interest rate decisions - I have anywhere from 2 million to 3 million ready to trade. I am using smaller lots now with CMC because I'm not sure if I'll get slippage again.

One thing I've noted and the good thing about CMC is, that if they cannot execute you at the market price, they'll let you know with a re-quote instead of letting you in and then showing an order executed much later at a different price. So its either a trade or no-trade situation.. which is good. Sometimes they mess up though.

On Oanda I have used huge lots at times.. when the BOE surprised everyone with their interest rate hike.. I used 4 million GBP/USD. Needless to say, that was the biggest profit I've ever made..with their 5 pip spread (at the time) and instant execution :D
 
Hey Shard, my lot size all depends on the strength of the reports. If its anything non-farm, I push it up to 500k.. GBP stuff is usually 300 k. Interest rate decisions - I have anywhere from 2 million to 3 million ready to trade. I am using smaller lots now with CMC because I'm not sure if I'll get slippage again.

Cool. Yeah, I'm not there yet. :eek: I think next year I'll start trying larger lot sizes - obviously I'll need to dump more money into my CMC account to cover the margin requirements though... even at 100:1 you still need a fair bit to trade millions of units... ;)

One thing I've noted and the good thing about CMC is, that if they cannot execute you at the market price, they'll let you know with a re-quote instead of letting you in and then showing an order executed much later at a different price. So its either a trade or no-trade situation.. which is good. Sometimes they mess up though.

Yeah, this happened to me once as well. It is good, because in a way they're honoring their trade such that they aren't executing it for you at a price you did not specify. Still, it's not ideal, but I doubt you'll ever find a perfect trading platform that gives you small fixed spreads and instant execution 100% of the time. If you do, please let me know. ;) :D

On Oanda I have used huge lots at times.. when the BOE surprised everyone with their interest rate hike.. I used 4 million GBP/USD. Needless to say, that was the biggest profit I've ever made..with their 5 pip spread (at the time) and instant execution :D

Yeah, that would have been nice! I'm looking forward to trading some of those gems myself in the near future myself. Even though big announcements like that don't happen all the time, one of the nice things with forex trading is that there are always announcements to trade and you know when they are. It's not like the stock market where, apart from earnings, major announcements can come completely out of the blue and hammer or skyrocket a stock without warning. Or, only the pre-market traders can take advantage of it. :mad: ;)

So do you think the USD data tomorrow will be worth trading? How about the Aussie employment data?
 
Yeah Shard, I never liked stocks too much.. I mean, all your money rests in the hand of a bunch of greedy corp bigwigs who can ruin the company any time they want to! For tomorrow, I'm looking at the GBP industrial report, the US ADP report (I think last time it caused quite a move)

Aussie employment report.. I'm not sure I'll be trading that, don't think I'll be home at that time. Please, please if you're going to be home.. be ready to trade the NZD.. their interest rate announcement is set to be unchanged at 7.25% but markets have a 10-20% expectation of a rate hike. If this happens, you'll see NZD going through the roof.
 
Fantastic trade! The GBP report came out much worse than expected.. bagged 28 pips :D The funny thing is, everyone was expecting the UK industrial report to come out solidly positive.. so it fell hard. It went to a max of about 50 pips and now its coming up again.. but I don't think it can stay up for long.
 
Err...I lost 12 pips on the AUD GDP yesterday because I traded on the m/m data and didnt even look at the y/y data.:confused:

But, I learned something-y/y is more important(obviously) and if I dont understand all the factors before the trade don't trade.(duh)

So, I made $110 and lost $120 yesterday-but Im learning.:)

This is all in my game account, in case you're wondering.;)

Nathan
 
Oh, I forgot to mention that yesterday, when I posted about my trial with Trade The News, I got an email about 20 minutes later notifying me that this was the last day of my trial and I needed to subscribe.

...so I did.

I just think its funny that it kept going until I said something about it to someone else(you guys):p
 
Just traded the AUD employment data. I was up 10 pips and then oanda widened the pip spread to 14 and I closed at -5 pips. I should have waited until it went back down and I could have kept my pips but it could have gone down anyway, so I closed. man, that pisses me off:mad:
 
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