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Can you further explain "you do not need a cellular-active Iphone to set this up", Dave006 disputes this, if what you write is true I would like to accomplish what I wrote about in post #44.
No I was addressing @GordonGekko999 wish to have a stand-alone watch having a cellular plan for their watch since that is what was asked above to have "driving directions, some news and stock headlines, some music and podcasts, weather etc., without being bothered by a smartphone.".

Link about Cellular carriers that may support Apple Watch plans: https://www.apple.com/watch/cellular/

Normally it would be added to the existing cellular plan of their relative it that plan supports wearable devices. The other alternative is to find an alternate carrier that supports wearable plans that support an Apple Watch. Not all carriers support Wearable or Apple Watches.

Dave
 
No I was addressing @GordonGekko999 wish to have a stand-alone watch having a cellular plan for their watch since that is what was asked above to have "driving directions, some news and stock headlines, some music and podcasts, weather etc., without being bothered by a smartphone.".

Link about Cellular carriers that may support Apple Watch plans: https://www.apple.com/watch/cellular/

Normally it would be added to the existing cellular plan of their relative it that plan supports wearable devices. The other alternative is to find an alternate carrier that supports wearable plans that support an Apple Watch. Not all carriers support Wearable or Apple Watches.

Dave

That is not all that I wrote, I wrote about using the Family Setup in conjunction with a relative's unlimited data plan, I can do that with a relative that has an unlimited data plan through Verizon/ATT/TMobile, I can either have them pair it with their cellular connected Iphone or I can lose some features and pair it to an Iphone SE I own that is not cellular connected, I'm trying to find out what features you would lose in the latter example.

With or without a cellular connected Iphone, if the relative has an unlimited data plan for their own Iphone or even Android, I can have them add my Apple Watch which would be cellular connected, you lose some features if I choose to pair to my non cellular Iphone SE, but either way you will have some cellular function on the Apple Watch through a Family Setup deal.

I'm hoping we can do some digging to fully flesh out the Family Setup plan and all that can be accomplished with it.
 
Even without a cellular connected Iphone, if the relative has an unlimited data plan for their own Iphone or even Android, I can have them add my Apple Watch which would be cellular connected, you lose some features if I choose to pair to my non cellular Iphone SE, but either way you will have some cellular function on the Apple Watch through a Family Setup deal.
No you will not have any Cellular functions unless you have an Wearable plan that specifically supports an Apple Watch.

So again in your example your relative would have to have an unlimited plan that supports Apple as a wearable cellular device (note: not all carriers support Apple watch plans for a reason - it requires additional carrier feature support).

Again if you pair with your iPhone SE without a plan you can't have your watch paired to your relatives plan using Family Setup. Your watch can't be paired to two iPhones.

If you pair your watch to your iPhone SE it will only support Bluetooth and Wi-Fi capable watch functions. Here is a summary: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205547

ETA: Add a link to the support page for Family Setup Carriers: https://www.apple.com/watch/cellular/

Dave
 
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No you will not have any Cellular functions unless you have an Wearable plan that specifically supports an Apple Watch.

So again in your example your relative would have to have an unlimited plan that supports Apple as a wearable cellular device (note: not all carriers support Apple watch plans for a reason - it requires additional carrier feature support).

Again if you pair with your iPhone SE without a plan you can't have your watch paired to your relatives plan using Family Setup. Your watch can't be paired to two iPhones.

If you pair your watch to your iPhone SE it will only support Bluetooth and Wi-Fi capable watch functions. Here is a summary: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205547

ETA: Add a link to the support page for Family Setup Carriers: https://www.apple.com/watch/cellular/

Dave

Of course we are writing about relatives that have a wearable plan that supports Apple Watch, I'm not writing about pairing with 2 phones, read the link that I posted, you can pair your Apple Watch to a non cellular Iphone and utilize Family Setup but you will lose features, so that directly contradicts what you have written.

The first link you provided has nothing to do with Family Setup.
 
Of course we are writing about relatives that have a wearable plan that supports Apple Watch, I'm not writing about pairing with 2 phones, read the link that I posted, you can pair your Apple Watch to a non cellular Iphone and utilize Family Setup but you will lose features, so that directly contradicts what you have written.

The first link you provided has nothing to do with Family Setup.
Wait which story are you trying to spin. You wanted to use your watch with a "flipphone" sic and again these are you exact words from Post #29
My situation is rare, I want to use a fliphone and have an Apple Watch for driving directions, some news and stock headlines, some music and podcasts, weather etc., without being bothered by a smartphone.
I covered the basics of the Family Setup and the Apple link in Post #38.
With or without a cellular connected Iphone, if the relative has an unlimited data plan for their own Iphone or even Android, I can have them add my Apple Watch which would be cellular connected, you lose some features if I choose to pair to my non cellular Iphone SE, but either way you will have some cellular function on the Apple Watch through a Family Setup deal.
Let's try this again in simple terms. You can't just have your relative add your Apple Watch which you want to be cellular connected without it being paired to an iPhone (Android will not work) directly and share the iPhone's phone number or with Family Setup on their plan for your watch to have it's own phone number if they add a cellular plan during initial Family Setup or later from that specific iPhone.

You completely lose your cellular plan if you then choose to pair your Apple Watch with a cellular plan to your non cellular iPhone SE since your watch must be unpaired from your relative's iPhone Family Setup or your watch must be erased in stand-alone mode. My first link in Post #53 above was and is where you can find the features that you lose or the subset of functions you get if you pair your Apple Watch to your non cellular iPhone SE and operate your watch away from your iPhone.

Dave
 
Wait which story are you trying to spin. You wanted to use your watch with a "flipphone" sic and again these are you exact words from Post #29

I covered the basics of the Family Setup and the Apple link in Post #38.

Let's try this again in simple terms. You can't just have your relative add your Apple Watch which you want to be cellular connected without it being paired to an iPhone (Android will not work) directly and share the iPhone's phone number or with Family Setup on their plan for your watch to have it's own phone number if they add a cellular plan during initial Family Setup or later from that specific iPhone.

You completely lose your cellular plan if you then choose to pair your Apple Watch with a cellular plan to your non cellular iPhone SE since your watch must be unpaired from your relative's iPhone Family Setup or your watch must be erased in stand-alone mode. My first link in Post #53 above was and is where you can find the features that you lose or the subset of functions you get if you pair your Apple Watch to your non cellular iPhone SE and operate your watch away from your iPhone.

Dave

My flip phone is not relevant to the discussion, your first link has nothing to do with the Family Setup plan, you might be correct but until somebody actually signs up for this we won't know, currently this is what Apple writes on their website:

* A cellular plan isn't required to set up an Apple Watch for a family member, but is necessary for some features.

That is on the Family Setup link, maybe they mean you can set up the Apple Watch, get the basics working but not a Family Setup cellular connection, perhaps but why even include that on the Family Setup page. Maybe they mean you can add Family Setup to your watch from an unlimited data plan that qualifies, pair the watch to an Iphone not connected to that account but lose some features, those are the features in question, we know what features are lost with the non Family Setup accounts.

Until that clears up, here is what we know, if you have a friend or relative willing to allow it, you can have them pair an Apple Watch to their Iphone and you get a unique number and many of the data features, not all, for about $10 bucks a month.

If you want you can then have a flip phone and an Apple Watch but again that is up to you, you get a mostly data functioning Apple Watch without the need to purchase an Iphone, you could pair it up with two cans and a string if you so wish.

Update and then Apple writes this: If your iPhone cellular provider supports Family Setup, you can add the watch to your plan. If your carrier doesn’t support it, you might be able to use an alternative carrier. Then you can set up cellular on the watch later.

How can you use an alternative carrier when none of the service companies provide an Apple Watch only data plan? And how would it work, for example, let's say your Iphone uses Company X, they don't support Family Support, an alternative carrier does, T Mobile, how could T Mobile activate your watch for Family Setup when they are not the provider for your Iphone?

They could just turn on the E-Sim, right? But what would that have to do with Family Setup, that would be a stand alone Apple Watch data plan, maybe that is where Apple is headed but it currently makes no sense to say you can use an alternative carrier.
 
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Do we know battery life when the child is away from the parents phone?

That watch will be relying solely on cellular connectivity. Battery drain with just cellular connectivity is pretty ******. My wife does watch only for long races / runs marathon etc. She can barely get 3 hours of use on cellular...... granted she’s using music and workout app as well but music is saved to phone not streaming.
 
No the Family Setup watch will be able to use Wi-Fi or Cellular. Yes your wife's experience is the extreme case: using cellular, workout and music. Could she simply disable cellular while on long races / runs and turn it on if/as needed?

Dave
 
My situation is rare, I want to use a fliphone and have an Apple Watch for driving directions, some news and stock headlines, some music and podcasts, weather etc., without being bothered by a smartphone.
If you want you can then have a flip phone and an Apple Watch but again that is up to you, you get a mostly data functioning Apple Watch without the need to purchase an Iphone, you could pair it up with two cans and a string if you so wish.
My flip phone is not relevant to the discussion, your first link has nothing to do with the Family Setup plan, you might be correct but until somebody actually signs up for this we won't know, currently this is what Apple writes on their website:

* A cellular plan isn't required to set up an Apple Watch for a family member, but is necessary for some features.
Then why do you keep bringing it up in the discussion and continue mentioning your flip phone example in multiple posts or now two cans and a string?

That * note is to explain that the Family Setup process just uses the normal Bluetooth connection to pair the watch to the iPhone managing the Family Setup process. You can chose to add a cellular during initial setup or later after initial setup just like connecting to Wi-Fi during initial setup or later.
That is on the Family Setup link, maybe they mean you can set up the Apple Watch, get the basics working but not a Family Setup cellular connection, perhaps but why even include that on the Family Setup page. Maybe they mean you can add Family Setup to your watch from an unlimited data plan that qualifies, pair the watch to an Iphone not connected to that account but lose some features, those are the features in question, we know what features are lost with the non Family Setup accounts.
It is a little more complex. You also setup Family Sharing as a requirement for Family Setup and that is the key to the entire Family Setup and to allow management via the iCloud. No cellular plan means only Bluetooth Wi-Fi connections would work for Family Setup features and functions.

The paired watch will be part of one Family Sharing group and must be a cellular capable Apple Watch Series 4 or later. Each watch user will have their own Apple ID (setup and managed on the Family Setup iPhone) and the watch will be backed up when on Wi-Fi and a charger to the iCloud. Once you set it up the watch remains paired with the Family Setup iPhone. If you then pair your watch to another iPhone you lose all the Family Setup features.

Your watch's cellular plan might be reusable depending carrier process but normally your watch's cellular plan would be setup and stored on the paired iPhone with a cellular plan and then pushed to the paired watch (pending any Apple setup process that has not been announced).
How can you use an alternative carrier when none of the service companies provide an Apple Watch only data plan? And how would it work, for example, let's say your Iphone uses Company X, they don't support Family Support, an alternative carrier does, T Mobile, how could T Mobile activate your watch for Family Setup when they are not the provider for your Iphone?
Not as a stand-alone watch only plan but as an add-on to a regular cellular plan on another carrier. Family Setup will be leveraging the Family Sharing iCloud features to manage the watch once it has a cellular connection when it is outside of Bluetooth or Wi-Fi range.

You might be using the same Carrier or an Alternate carrier (T-Mobile in your example supports Family Setup). For your example you might have your own cellualr plan with the same carrrier or an alternate carrier it just needs to support the Apple Watch Access plan. There is a note that mentions that you need to contact the Alternate Carrier for instructions: If your iPhone service provider does not currently support Family Setup, you can still set up a service plan for a family member’s Apple Watch with this service provider. Contact the service provider for more details.

Based on the Apple details your family member’s watch doesn’t have to use the same cellular carrier as the iPhone you manage it with Family Setup / Family Sharing / iCloud just that the alternate carrier support an Apple Watch Access plan on a valid cellular plan.

Again the key is that the paired watch and it's (Assigned Apple ID) is managed via Family Setup and leveraging part of the iCloud part of Family Sharing since all Apple ID accounts would be connected via the cellular connection. This would allow the "Parent/Guardian" manage all devices from their iPhone using Family Setup and Family Sharing. Note: there currently is no way to change the Apple ID directly from the watch, it is done from the Family Share paired iPhone.
They could just turn on the E-Sim, right? But what would that have to do with Family Setup, that would be a stand alone Apple Watch data plan, maybe that is where Apple is headed but it currently makes no sense to say you can use an alternative carrier
Yes the Alternate carrier or even your primary carrier could simply provision the eSIM with help from Apple for the standard Apple Watch Access plan just as they have a similar process for the newer iPad models. However it is not going to be worth it for them on a stand-alone $10 per month plan and what type of usage would any such plan allow for calls / data? I don't see any carrier offering a stand-alone wearable plan.

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Not really worse but the watch can't benefit from using Bluetooth and or Wi-Fi (when out of range) before the Cellular function powers up. However you can easily toggle cellular service off/on to manage battery. If you don't get your expected hours of use with the default settings.

The Apple quote: Apple Watch will support 14 hours of daily usage with Family Setup. Battery life varies by use and configuration.

ETA: Added Apple quote about battery life...

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Not really worse but the watch can't benefit from using Bluetooth and or Wi-Fi (when out of range) before the Cellular function powers up. However you can easily toggle cellular service off/on to manage battery. If you don't get your expected hours of use with the default settings.

The Apple quote: Apple Watch will support 14 hours of daily usage with Family Setup. Battery life varies by use and configuration.

ETA: Added Apple quote about battery life...

Dave

But then the same should be said for the cellular options; if not other connection is available.

Reason why I am interested is because i am considering buying a cellular one but already concerned with the limited battery life.
 
Again you have full control of enabling disabling cellular or even Wi-Fi from the Control Panel or even just use Air Plane mode to really extend battery life.

The real issue with any wearable is how many functions you use during your period of use.

Dave
 
But then the same should be said for the cellular options; if not other connection is available.

Reason why I am interested is because i am considering buying a cellular one but already concerned with the limited battery life.

Has anyone tried this yet or is there another thread discussing people who have actually set up the Family Set Up Apple Watch plan, I've searched but have not found any use case scenarios.
 
Has anyone tried this yet or is there another thread discussing people who have actually set up the Family Set Up Apple Watch plan, I've searched but have not found any use case scenarios.
Reviews so far are not too positive.



I had considered getting cellular for our two SEs, one for myself and one for my wife, so that later on these can be passed down to our kids for family setup, but in the end I didn't think it was worth it, as we already have cell phones ready for them when the time comes (iPhone 7 Plus and 6s right now, but that will change to iPhone XR and iPhone 7 Plus when my wife upgrades from her XR), and I will likely get cheap data-only tablet plans for them initially with no voice/SMS access or else cheap voice/SMS/data plans.

I can already set up restrictions on their iPhones, and should they choose to use our hand-me-down Apple Watches, they can pair these GPS SEs with those iPhones. I suspect they won't wear or charge them regularly though, so I might just rather give them to someone else or sell them once we're done with them.
 
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Reviews so far are not too positive.



I had considered getting cellular for our two SEs, one for myself and one for my wife, so that later on these can be passed down to our kids for family setup, but in the end I didn't think it was worth it, as we already have cell phones ready for them when the time comes (iPhone 7 Plus and 6s right now, but that will change to iPhone XR and iPhone 7 Plus when my wife upgrades from her XR), and I will likely get cheap data-only tablet plans for them initially with no voice/SMS access or else cheap voice/SMS/data plans.

I can already set up restrictions on their iPhones, and should they choose to use our hand-me-down Apple Watches, they can pair these GPS SEs with those iPhones. I suspect they won't wear or charge them regularly though, so I might just rather give them to someone else or sell them once we're done with them.

Thanks, if anyone can find an example of someone who used this to allow a relative to have an Apple Watch connected to the internet sans Iphone, couple that with the ability to turn off tracking from the parent Iphone account holder, if someone finds a real world example, an example that lists all of the features said Apple Watch has in this scenario, please post it, thank you.
 
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