Anyone use a Razer?

[ruinfx]

But that's standard. A lot of people who go out to buy expensive mice want the best experience from it which means customising what goes on. I'm using USB Overdrive to get my Razer the way I want it in OSX. I don't really bother with customising details on the XP side. Especially since OSX also has very slow mouse speed and odd acceleration when using a very high DPI mouse.

having an expensive mouse with fancy drivers is silly and it wont make you good. its just a way for razer to market their mice and charge out the wazoo for a "pro gamer" mouse. just because your mouse has more dpi does not make it superior. its like megapixels in a digital camera, a metric that is used to sell a product to the uninformed that think dpi makes a mouse better.

for gaming the mousepad is probably more important, not some 99999dpi razer mouse that lights up when you sit alone in the dark pretending to be a pro going 24-8 in a pub. in the end it all comes down to the mouses shape IMO, whatever feels comfortabe and is easy to move/play with is the best mouse YOU can buy.

/rant

 

[corywoolf]

Most likely I have been using diamond backs like this for years. In fact I find the system does a better job of handling the mouse the the macpro software did.

A very rushed post indeed...

 

[0098386]

/rant

That's a kind of weak rant. Most Razer's support 100hz polling, on the fly DPI adjustment (crucial in fast games), have tailored button placement. Of course ergonomics vary depending on what you want from a mouse but the Habu is the comfiest thing I've ever used, even comes with an adjustable side panel so you can swap between side button placement. Everything about it* has been properly designed for long term gaming use.

And the teflon pads makes it way smoother than my previous Logitech and MS mice (I don't use a mouse pad, just the desk). And from personal experience DPI does matter gaming aside it's also the perfect mouse for pixel art. I didn't even get caught up by the press or marketting. I've never even seen a Razer advert in the UK! Didn't even know the brand till I got home, tried it then decided to research what they were about.

*Course I can't talk about every Razer since I've only ever owned one.

 

[motoxpress]

Even though I do game (couple of hours a week), I am mostly concerned about precision in my design work. There are times where I am placing points in Illustrator where my mouse will make something impossible to do. That is why I want to get something that does not drive me nuts like the mighty mouse.

-mx

 

[Trip.Tucker]

Even though I do game (couple of hours a week), I am mostly concerned about precision in my design work. There are times where I am placing points in Illustrator where my mouse will make something impossible to do. That is why I want to get something that does not drive me nuts like the mighty mouse.

-mx

Then you really should be using a tablet like the Wacom series.

 

[motoxpress]

Then you really should be using a tablet like the Wacom series.

I have had several Wacom tablets and they are really nice for some things but, others work better with a mouse for me. I also find it difficult to use the tablet and still use my keyboard shortcuts whereas with a mouse it's obviously not a problem.

-mx

 

[ruinfx]

That's a kind of weak rant. Most Razer's support 100hz polling, on the fly DPI adjustment (crucial in fast games), have tailored button placement. Of course ergonomics vary depending on what you want from a mouse but the Habu is the comfiest thing I've ever used, even comes with an adjustable side panel so you can swap between side button placement. Everything about it* has been properly designed for long term gaming use.

And the teflon pads makes it way smoother than my previous Logitech and MS mice (I don't use a mouse pad, just the desk). And from personal experience DPI does matter gaming aside it's also the perfect mouse for pixel art. I didn't even get caught up by the press or marketting. I've never even seen a Razer advert in the UK! Didn't even know the brand till I got home, tried it then decided to research what they were about.

*Course I can't talk about every Razer since I've only ever owned one.

i agree dpi does matter if you are doing design work but for gaming it depends on entirely on your play style. my mouse supports 400/800/1600dpi on the fly and i choose to use 400. saying a mouse is better because it has a higher dpi is a bad argument that will only win if you are comparing the specs on the box and nothing else.

also the habu is just a rehashed microsoft intellimouse explorer 3.0, much like the death adder. if razer mice were so good wouldnt every "pro gamer" use one so as not to be at a disadvantage?

 

[motoxpress]

if razer mice were so good wouldnt every "pro gamer" use one so as not to be at a disadvantage?

I can tell you this, they are not using any Apple mice

-mx

 

[ruinfx]

I can tell you this, they are not using any Apple mice

-mx

thats for sure. the truth is that the best "gaming mouse" all comes down to personal preference.

 

[Xeem]

for gaming the mousepad is probably more important, not some 99999dpi razer mouse that lights up when you sit alone in the dark pretending to be a pro going 24-8 in a pub.
/rant

Actually, the combination of the "99999dpi" sensor and the smooth teflon feet of my Razer have finally allowed me to completely ditch my mousepad and just use the mouse right on my light wood desk (and with superb tracking).

 

[ruinfx]

Actually, the combination of the "99999dpi" sensor and the smooth teflon feet of my Razer have finally allowed me to completely ditch my mousepad and just use the mouse right on my light wood desk (and with superb tracking).

amazing! razer should advertise that as a feature on the box. "does not require a mousepad!" truly groundbreaking.

 

[0098386]

also the habu is just a rehashed microsoft intellimouse explorer 3.0, much like the death adder. if razer mice were so good wouldnt every "pro gamer" use one so as not to be at a disadvantage?

Pretty much everyone in a TF2 and CS:S clan I'm on has a Razer of some sort. And the internals are all from Razer, the casing is just similar to an Intellimouse.

 

[ruinfx]

Pretty much everyone in a TF2 and CS:S clan I'm on has a Razer of some sort. And the internals are all from Razer, the casing is just similar to an Intellimouse.

im glad pretty much everyone on your team has been sucked in to razer's marketing. logitech and razer get their sensors from the same companies. with razer you are just paying extra for the brand name and the "cool" look.

 

[Consultant]

Well, the G5 is looking better and better. It is just sad we have to use third-party drivers to make these $70 mice work properly.

-mx

I use Logitech MX 400. It does not need any drivers in either OS X or windows xp (if you can go without the side scrolling). It's a large mouse that fits well in my right hand.

Mouse pad:
xtracpads.com
I have the thin double size one (hummer or something like that) for desk, and a regular size for my laptop bag.

 

[0098386]

im glad pretty much everyone on your team has been sucked in to razer's marketing. logitech and razer get their sensors from the same companies. with razer you are just paying extra for the brand name and the "cool" look.

What on earth? So after my 15 years of PC gaming and going through countless numbers of mice, without hearing a word of advertising from Razer I went out, bought one, and saw a massive improvement over my previous MS and Logitech mice. All that is just Razers marketing? Which also completely disregards the above points I made about how Razer mice operate and function different to any other mouse I've used.

And paying extra? So that's why Razer here are on the same pricing level as mid-high end Microsoft and Logitech mice.

 

[ruinfx]

What on earth? So after my 15 years of PC gaming and going through countless numbers of mice, without hearing a word of advertising from Razer I went out, bought one, and saw a massive improvement over my previous MS and Logitech mice. All that is just Razers marketing? Which also completely disregards the above points I made about how Razer mice operate and function different to any other mouse I've used.

And paying extra? So that's why Razer here are on the same pricing level as mid-high end Microsoft and Logitech mice.

how do razer mice "operate and function different to any other mouse"? they get their sensors from the same manufacturers and some of the mice even share the exact same sensor (old mx518 and diamondback). the special features you mentioned above (on-the-fly dpi changing and 1000hz polling) are not unique to razer mice.

im not denying that the deathadder is a good mouse, but you have to cut the bs. the sensor performs practically the same as the mx500 @ 1000hz (A 6 YEAR OLD MOUSE).

http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1300293&page=4

http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1300293&page=5

so stop actling like there is some top secret alien technology inside of razer mice. put aside the marketing and look at the data. the deathadder is the only razer mouse that beats the competition and you can get very similar performance from a logitech mx518 for $10 less. neither of those mice will skip when you move it quickly, it pretty much comes down to which shape you prefer. sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[nagromme]

Seems like CERTAIN Logitechs have electronics as good as the Deathadder. That's good useful info, but it doesn't make raggedjimmi (and his clan) wrong or "sucked in" to think that the Deathadder was better that the various OTHER Logitechs he had been using. Your chart actually shows the value of BOTH the Deathadder and certain Logitechs, so I don't think anyone needs to go on the attack. It's all welcome and useful feedback.

 

[ruinfx]

Seems like CERTAIN Logitechs have electronics as good as the Deathadder. That's good useful info, but it doesn't make raggedjimmi (and his clan) wrong or "sucked in" to think that the Deathadder was better that the various OTHER Logitechs he had been using. Your chart actually shows the value of BOTH the Deathadder and certain Logitechs, so I don't think anyone needs to go on the attack. It's all welcome and useful feedback.

id like to know which razer mouse he has. i just find it simply not accurate to tout razer mice as somehow being superior without taking a look at their actual performance. i am not so much trying to say logitech is better than razer, just that razer is not better than logitech.

 

[Eclipse278]

I have a Copperhead which I love, but when I plug it into my mbp, it does nothing. Even with steermouse. The only reason I have a windows pc for gaming is because the damn mouse doesnt work in OS X.

 

[itommy954]

I own a Razer Pro 1.6!

I just purchased a razer pro 1.6 with 1600 dpi and it works GREAT. I use it in my mac games and is wonderful i Unreal and Quake 4.

 

[Xeem]

amazing! razer should advertise that as a feature on the box. "does not require a mousepad!" truly groundbreaking.

That actually is a substantial feature for someone that prefers a minimalist desk. I'm not saying it is unique to Razer mice, either. I'm sure most high-end mice would work fine without a mousepad, but my Mighty Mouse, Kensington Pilotmouse, and Logitech Mediaplay mouse all skip around like crazy on my desk.

 

[0098386]

so stop actling like there is some top secret alien technology inside of razer mice. put aside the marketing and look at the data. the deathadder is the only razer mouse that beats the competition and you can get very similar performance from a logitech mx518 for $10 less. neither of those mice will skip when you move it quickly, it pretty much comes down to which shape you prefer. sorry to burst your bubble.

You seem to fail at this discussion since you can't listen to what other people say. No it's not alien tech, it's tweaked tech to get the best results for gamers (like Alienware, game console hardware etc). How many other mice offer customisable side panels? Hell back when I bought my Habu the only 100hz mice cost much, much more. Nothing had the right weight, nothing was as smooth use on a desk surface, had as wide on-the-fly DPI adjustments. Everything was balanced just right.
But I'm clearly wrong because in the 18 months of owning Razer their rivals made better mice which I should have known about in advance, I'm also wrong because I've fallen for marketing I haven't even seen (you keep missing this quite crucial point, before I bought a Razer I had no idea of what they were for or their branding).

That actually is a substantial feature for someone that prefers a minimalist desk. I'm not saying it is unique to Razer mice, either. I'm sure most high-end mice would work fine without a mousepad, but my Mighty Mouse, Kensington Pilotmouse, and Logitech Mediaplay mouse all skip around like crazy on my desk.

Same here I don't want to use a mouse mat, surely we're being the need for that now? Well my Logitech and MS mouse weren't happy with that.

 

[ruinfx]

You seem to fail at this discussion since you can't listen to what other people say. No it's not alien tech, it's tweaked tech to get the best results for gamers (like Alienware, game console hardware etc). How many other mice offer customisable side panels? Hell back when I bought my Habu the only 100hz mice cost much, much more. Nothing had the right weight, nothing was as smooth use on a desk surface, had as wide on-the-fly DPI adjustments. Everything was balanced just right.
But I'm clearly wrong because in the 18 months of owning Razer their rivals made better mice which I should have known about in advance, I'm also wrong because I've fallen for marketing I haven't even seen (you keep missing this quite crucial point, before I bought a Razer I had no idea of what they were for or their branding).

how do you know razer mice used "tweaked tech"? you dont you are just assuming they do. i would hardly call customizable side panels a feature that puts a mouse above others but the logitech G9 actually offers 2 shells that you can choose from. some logitech mice even have removable weights so you can customize the feel and you can customize the dpi-on-the-fly with drivers as well. these features are NOT UNIQUE TO RAZER MICE.

the point you fail to see is that the marketing i am referring to is right on the box and you did fall for it because you bought a razer mouse over another brand without knowing anything about the product. you were a completely uneducated customer (and it seems like you still are) and you made a choice based on the marketing razer put on its box like "for pro gamers", "3G infared technology". you are approaching a fanboy level of blind support here.

 

[yunk]

Razer pro|solutions PRO 1.6 in the post

 

[motoxpress]

Just an update...

I ended up getting the Logitech G5 yesterday just to try it out. The idea of the laser was appealing as I use it in various locations and not having to worry about surfaces is very useful.

So, far it is working very well. I have to get used to the shape but it's not a big problem. I like the accuracy thus far. I did try it in some TF2 and Day of Defeat action and the rez switching is really useful. I can say that it is MUCH better to use overall than the Apple mouse. I also tried the weights and found it to be plenty weighty without them. So, that aspect appears to be lost on me. This may sound silly but, I really like the cord design - it seems to be a little more manageable than normal mouse cord coatings. My only wish is that they had it in plain old black or something besides the blue scale-texture.

BTW I did just plug it in and it worked straight away except for the thumb buttons. The side-scrolling works fine. I have not used it extensively yet for design work...that is later today

-mx