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Roller said:
An Apple-branded pro or high-end consumer camera wouldn't make sense, even if it were compatible with systems from Canon, Nikon, or other major players. However, Apple photo accessories like a personal storage device (e.g., iPod-like device designed to rapidly back up and view digital images in the field, possibly wirelessly) might be viable.

I'm hoping for an Aperture update. However, Apple was said to have fired the Aperture team in April. I doubt if they've had time to hire another team and do a major rewrite in just a few months. From the Think Secret article dated April 27:

Perhaps the greatest hope for Aperture's future is that the application's problems are said to be so extensive that any version 2.0 would require major portions of code to be entirely rewritten. With that in mind, the bell may not yet be tolling for Aperture; an entirely new engineering team could salvage the software and bring it up to Apple's usual standards.

Actually that rumor was incorrect.
“The reports of Apple reducing their commitment to Aperture are totally false,” Kirk Paulsen, Apple’s Senior Director Pro Applications Marketing, told Macworld. “In fact, we’ve got more people working on Aperture right now than ever before.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/05/04/aperture/index.php
 
tvguru said:

To me, that sounds like professional PR hot air. Their commitment to the product may be the same, and they may have canned employees in the process! There is not a denial of firing people in that statement, it just reads that way at first glance.

I've stated in another thread, I was about to purchase Aperture after using it on my older machine. I'll be waiting to make sure more $$ is required for whatever they're doing.

I'm hoping for Aperture updates, Adobe CS3, the whole 9 yards. My expectation is Apple is just trying to show themselves as a player with the big boys, but Aperture updates may be included.

I chuckled at the ACD vs Dell comments earlier as I just ordered a Dell LCD to go with my MacPro that is on order!

--Half Glass
 
Half Glass said:
To me, that sounds like professional PR hot air. *snip*

--Half Glass

While I kind of agree, it's seldom that Apple actually responds to rumors. At least by responding to the rumors I think it shows how committed to the application they are that they don't want it's name dragged through the mud. Of course that could just be me. :)
 
Current version of Aperture really does need sorting out. I'm not bothered if it goes to 1.2 or 2, I just want it to do what it says on the box without slowing my workflow!

Upgrades should be cheap given the recent price reduction and rebate scheme.
 
Bern said:
I actually would like Apple to come up with a Photoshop alternative, Adobe have been dragging the chain for way too long and now they have a virtual monopoly things won't get any better.


What's the problem with Photoshop? I use it everyday and it's fantastic. Plus Adobe does a good job updating every 18 to 24 months. what's wrong with that?
I doubt Apple will attack Photoshop. It's user base is huge. FCP was good move because first Premiere was lame and Avid too expensive.
Apple announced Motion but any means can't even compete with After Effects.
Photoshop is king and I think next year will be even better with CS3 universal.
 
gugy said:
I doubt Apple will attack Photoshop. It's user base is huge.

I totally agree. I use Photoshop and Aperture every day. They both do very different jobs and I wouldn't want to drop either of them. Aperture just needs to get better at what it's supposed to do. Can't wait for Photoshop to better integrate with Fireworks in CS3. 07 should be a good year :)
 
AlanAudio said:
Hosting a special event to announce nothing more than a 0.2 incremental release doesn't make sense. They would get more negative publicity than good.

It has to be something much bigger than that.

Right! Inviting press requires something monumental: like a leather iPod case, or an overpriced speaker. :rolleyes:
 
Roller said:
I'm hoping for an Aperture update. However, Apple was said to have fired the Aperture team in April. I doubt if they've had time to hire another team and do a major rewrite in just a few months. From the Think Secret article dated April 27:

You do realize that that Think Secret article was thoroughly discredited, right? From what I can gather, the Aperture team shuffled a bit after 1.0 but was reconstituted (with some original members, some new members) for 1.1.

Think Secret reported on a few people who left the team and tried to portray that as the team being dissolved; that has been proven false (as 'proven' as anything about Apple can be, of course). The people who left, left prior to 1.1. The existence of 1.1 tends to in and of itself disprove Think Secret's claims.
 
Half Glass said:
To me, that sounds like professional PR hot air. Their commitment to the product may be the same, and they may have canned employees in the process! There is not a denial of firing people in that statement, it just reads that way at first glance.

You read a lot more into that statement than I did. I never saw it as denying that employees were fired/left/moved to other projects. In fact, I think it's pretty clear (from some people who left the Aperture project) that people who were involved in Aperture 1.0 were not involved in Aperture 1.1.

The statement was a denial of the conclusion Think Secret drew, which is that Apple was dropping support for Aperture. Which, IMHO, it pretty directly (esp for Apple) denies.

IMHO, I'm a pretty happy Aperture user, using about 25% of what it offers, but still quite happy with it. Can't imagine having gone through this past sumer of events without it!
 
Leondunkleyc said:
I was just browsing around YouTube when I found this. It might be a fake but it looks interesting. For all i know it could be 1.1.2 as I have never used Aperture. The desktop icons at the end of the video look funny though.

Pretty sure that's just Aperture 1.1 there, click on View|FullScreen. Note that the "2" in the file name signifies that this is that user's second Aperture video (note Aperture1 is a related video), not any suggestion of Aperture 2.0.
 
Bern said:
I actually would like Apple to come up with a Photoshop alternative, Adobe have been dragging the chain for way too long and now they have a virtual monopoly things won't get any better.

Photoshop has been called the best application out there bar none. Its very mature (v9 and v10 coming soon), it has started from the begining so it pretty much sets the standards, its user base is HUGE, and it frankly works so well and its power users (largely the ones who actually pay for it) would sooner cut off their hand than get rid of PS.

Premier was just an OK app. Final Cut Pro came out and set the bar for destop video editing. When it was very mature only then did they attack Premier with FCE. Until then the two apps were aimed at different markets. High end Pro use and high/mid leve amatuer use.

If apple goes after Photoshop....big mistake. Heck, even Elements is practically untouchable (its basically a toned down photoshop to get people to stop bootlegging the full version).
 
CTYankee said:
its user base is HUGE, and it frankly works so well and its power users (largely the ones who actually pay for it) would sooner cut off their hand than get rid of PS.

Bravo! And it's worth every penny...

I use Fireworks along with PS and Aperture. Their all great at what they do, each ap has a sizable niche carved out for itself.

Now just waiting to see what Adobe does with Fireworks since aquiring Macromedia. Should be good...
 
I bet there are some people who think they have 1.2. I'd like to see the current results without having to go to the site. Man does that sound lazy?
 
jettredmont said:
You read a lot more into that statement than I did. I never saw it as denying that employees were fired/left/moved to other projects. In fact, I think it's pretty clear (from some people who left the Aperture project) that people who were involved in Aperture 1.0 were not involved in Aperture 1.1.

The statement was a denial of the conclusion Think Secret drew, which is that Apple was dropping support for Aperture. Which, IMHO, it pretty directly (esp for Apple) denies.

IMHO, I'm a pretty happy Aperture user, using about 25% of what it offers, but still quite happy with it. Can't imagine having gone through this past sumer of events without it!

Even if it was only a shuffle of team members, it still seems unlikely to me that they'd be able to come up with a major new release in a few months. Plus, it seems early for version 2.0. (I'd love to be proven wrong about this, though!)

I've been using 1.1 for several weeks, and I'm very happy with its performance and workflow on my iMac. Still, there's room for improvement - for example, I'd like to see Aperture and Keynote work together.
 
I doubt the hardware requirements for Aperture will fluctuate much if at all.

As a wedding photographer, Aperture is a absolute godsend for me. It saves me the most unbelievable amount of time and it's a pleasure to use.

My macpro arrives in a fortnight with 30" screen, it should be great with aperture.

I've tried lightroom and I don't like it's interface compared to aperture. It's also (at least at this stage) very slow.





CTYankee said:
Aperture does need an update, badly. It is still suffering from the major misfire of v1.0. Many photographers either tried it or heard from others about it...and panned it for its mediocre RAW processing and irritating database structure. Now that the RAW issues are aleviated it still has some teething issues. The lack of a dynamic database (like iView MP) and hardware requirements. I'm currently on the fence. I like iView MP as a DAM, lightroom as a RAW processor (but can't wait for batch cropping), and PS as a final editor. If Aperture could do what LR and iView do, then I'd buy it. Otherwise I have until January to use LR for free and will probably buy iView if it looks like Aperture is still using its goofy db system.

Or....could Apple be there to show off Photoshop running in UB? If anyone in the industry could get Adobe to hurry up its Steve Jobs. You know he wants PS to run natively on the Intel Macs. Adobe stands to get a huge windfall too as all the Intel Mac users upgrade just for speed. I know Adobe has said, 2007...but it could happen.
 
Apple's there to sell computers

I'm not sure why everyone is puzzled that Apple is there to sell computers to pro/high-end consumer photographers. Look at the MacPro recommended specs for Aperture - toss in a large monitor, and you're at $6000.

They will probably announce an update to Aperture (v2 most likely as it will be almost a year since it's release), but the goal of Aperture is to sell Apple's high end hardware, which I suspect have a much higher profit margin than the lower end of the product line.

One thing that photographers haven't figured out is the need to invest in hardware - particularly hard drives. While serious shooters are saving tens of thousands of dollars a year in reduced film and processing costs, they still have not really come to grips with the TB's of storage they will now need to archive all these new digital images.

So hopefully we will see Aperture 2 with better support for multiple drives. One of the things I think is overlooked in the new MacPro is the ease of swapping out large drives - this could be pushed as a bonus for small-shop pro photographers with limited IT resources.

So my main prediction is that we'll see Apple trying to push the MacPro as the ultimate computer for photographer work - using Aperture, of course. Fast, easily customizable, and user friendly.
 
CalfCanuck said:
One thing that photographers haven't figured out is the need to invest in hardware - particularly hard drives. While serious shooters are saving tens of thousands of dollars a year in reduced film and processing costs, they still have not really come to grips with the TB's of storage they will now need to archive all these new digital images.

Wow wow wow, steady on there. Bit of a generalization don't you think. This is one issue that is very prominent with a lot of photographers I know, including myself.

I think it's the Aperture developers who need to catch up i.e. with the ability to support multiple libraries on multiple drives. This is an area that Lightroom has already sorted.
 
CTYankee said:
Photoshop has been called the best application out there bar none. Its very mature (v9 and v10 coming soon), it has started from the begining so it pretty much sets the standards, its user base is HUGE, and it frankly works so well and its power users (largely the ones who actually pay for it) would sooner cut off their hand than get rid of PS.

Premier was just an OK app. Final Cut Pro came out and set the bar for destop video editing. When it was very mature only then did they attack Premier with FCE. Until then the two apps were aimed at different markets. High end Pro use and high/mid leve amatuer use.

If apple goes after Photoshop....big mistake. Heck, even Elements is practically untouchable (its basically a toned down photoshop to get people to stop bootlegging the full version).

And to think that Adobe started Photoshop as just Mac Paint (with Apple's blessing) and a few extra features back when all we had was Postscript from Adobe and Page Maker from Aldus. I also recall PC guys stated mice would never catch on ... Those were the days :)
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