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Aperture Replacement 'Photos' to Offer Image Search, Editing, Effects and Plugins
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I stopped working with aperture a year ago, since apple never managed to properly support canon 6d Raws. Also the denoising for Raws is just useless compared to LR.
I miss photo stream in LR and the organizing features of aperture. Plus the face recognition... I spent endless hours or even days getting all my photos scanned and tagged properly...
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I see that the majority of users will be better off with the new photos app though. I'm talking about the sort if persons that never do any photo editing at all except for instagramming their pictures, or my mom and dad. For those, the new app will be quite sufficient I suppose.
I miss photo stream in LR and the organizing features of aperture. Plus the face recognition... I spent endless hours or even days getting all my photos scanned and tagged properly...
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Forget about it, I'd say. They will most likely make a poor mans version of iPhoto, just like the last iWork release. I understand the idea someone stated earlier in this thread, giving everyone a system wide cloud based photo organizing solution. And I really like that approach. But killing off the pro features and forcing us to do all the editing in an external app again... Oh my.
I see that the majority of users will be better off with the new photos app though. I'm talking about the sort if persons that never do any photo editing at all except for instagramming their pictures, or my mom and dad. For those, the new app will be quite sufficient I suppose.
No, apple is precisely creating a prosumer app.
Aperture is a professional app. Like what they did with fcpx, they're doing away with the high end professional features in order to create a more intuitive app that allows for extensibility through third parties.
This is prosumer, and I'm quite excited for it.
I'll continue using Lightroom for my professional work. For my personal work and iphone photos, Photos looks like it'll be fantastic.
I have been annoyed for days now, however that screen shot makes me feel slightly better.
There is an 'Add' button next to adjustments. Who knows what else can be added.
On the right there is a band aid type button, that hopefully brings up a retouching panel.
Remember that this thing can import Aperture libraries, so much be able to apply the adjustments too. If these adjustments can still be modified after import then it will have layer support!
There is an 'Add' button next to adjustments. Who knows what else can be added.
On the right there is a band aid type button, that hopefully brings up a retouching panel.
Remember that this thing can import Aperture libraries, so much be able to apply the adjustments too. If these adjustments can still be modified after import then it will have layer support!
This is the history of EVERY technology. It starts off requiring huge amounts of knowledge and training - only the people who invented it are initially capable of operating it - and it gradually becomes "user-friendly." That doesn't mean experts can't achieve more than is possible with the user-friendly pre-sets. It does mean that the routine stuff is available to all.
Once upon a time, every photographer needed the skills of a chemist. The hell with filling trays from bottles labeled "Kodak" and only having to know how to adjust ambient temperatures, measure quantities, control dust, and prevent light leakage. They had to compound their own emulsions, coat their own glass plates. It didn't hurt to be a lens-maker or a machinist, as there weren't a whole lot of camera makers out there... And once they got past all that, they, hopefully, had the artistic skills to make those technically-competent images visually appealing, emotionally impactful, and informationally useful, the people skills to get a good sitting from the customer, and so on.
Just about every "consumer" feature out there started out as the dream of a professional who wanted to be released from certain mundane aspects of their art, so they could concentrate on something more important or go home at 5:00 pm.
iPhoto can edit RAW images as well.... but with much less abilities/power. Hopefully when they are saying that Photos has increased editing abilities it means that they are brining over a lot of the tools from Aperture.
I changed over to Lightroom a year ago and don't intend to move over to Photos. But for my wife and kids who like to do some editing of their own photos, it will be nice.
Adobe could have the last image editing software on the planet and I still wouldn't give another dime to Adobe. I despise that company.
Mark
Why?
Have you used Lightroom? The first time I played with it, it was light photography heaven opened up its gates to me.
It's a truly, remarkably good app.
What about FCPX, Logic X etc? They killed their servers, which aren't for professional artists. Servers are for server farms. They got out because XServe was not selling.
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Weird you say this, because FCPX has a lot of high end professional features the old FCP did not have. It's not about removing professional features, after all they own the code for those features and unless they are selling those features in a more expensive package, it's basically nonsense to remove them from the entry app. That's what Apple did with FCE and FCP. But now they are going through the route of making almost all their software free. So if they are going to create an Aperture like app which is free, that'll be a big welcome for many people. And I'm assuming that it won't be a total replacement, at least not at launch.
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Lightroom is ok. It doesn't have the best UI for sure, actually I find it horrible, but it works well. Adobe made a mess of many of their apps like Illustrator by not rewriting/updating the app enough over the years, but Lightroom seems to be getting user requested features at every upgrade.
No. They're merging the two products. Plus, with the addition of 3rd party extensibility Photos has the potential to be considerably more powerful than Aperture. In fact, thinking about it, extensibility is probably the main reason for the re-write.
Apple's message is your photos (and all their edits) are (accessible) on all your devices. Of course you need the cloud to achieve this but equally important are matching apps on the iOS and Mac side. But look at any kind of data synched between devices, they all also reside on the devices and when you switch off synching they are only on the devices. Enabling synching via the cloud does by no means imply or require the inability for the application to function without cloud access.
Your concerns are equally disconnected from reality as those some people had about the Adobe Creative Cloud (the only cloud-reliant thing of CC is the need to phone home for product activation every couple of weeks or months).
Past performance often indicates future results, not always but mostly. And common sense can also indicate future results. One thing to note is that Apple has not talked about editing in the cloud but about editing in native apps on the devices. There are zero reasons why a Mac application would not be able to store everything locally. What would be gained? As long as local storage is cheaper than cloud storage what is the incentive for anybody to not also have a local copy?
Disallowing local storage only makes sense if you want to avoid creating local clients and let everything be run in a web browser. But Apple is explicitly creating local clients and it is demoing local clients not how things look in web browser (they have the browser access as an extra option but they don't use it to not having to develop local clients).
My Lumia shoots in RAW, I don't think it would be that difficult for Apple to enable this feature on the iPhone as well considering that the iPhone has a much better processor and shoots smaller images.
I really hope Apple goes all in with new camera tech in the iPhone 6, shooting in RAW would be a logical step specially considering the new Photos app for the Mac.
I hate them too, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. It's the best software, and I need it, so I use it.
The only thing right now is that part of time one needs for a transition likely is proportional to the amount of images you need to transfer. Transfer later, and you'll need more time. Additionally if you don't transfer all images, the later you transfer, the more images will be require using the old DAM. The same for adjustments, the later you switch over to LR or something else, the larger the number of images that don't have the advantages of non-destructive edits in the new DAM after the switch.
In the grand scheme of things, a few weeks or even months won't make a big difference. But there is an additional point, as long as there is/was still hope for a new version of Aperture, one is putting up with not having certain features (eg, lens corrections) because not having them for a limited time beats having to do a full transition. But once the hope is removed (or severely dashed) that putting up with missing features starts to last much, much longer (possibly until the end of ones active photographic life if Apple never adds those features, or adds them but imposes another big cost, eg, a much reduced organisational feature set).
What has changed are the expectations and the total benefits and costs summed up over several years can look very different after such a change.
Again this is about expectations, and to some degree a gambling on the future. But despite all this, I am likely going to stick around with Aperture until we know more about Photos.app but I probably will have a better look at the alternative such that when Photos is revealed I can decide quickly.
Apple has a framework for raw images since (Mac) OS X 10.2.x, IIRC. I doubt that it disappears with OS X 10.10. Many third party apps use this framework.
I use face recognition a lot in iPhoto. That feature is definitely more of a cool home hobbyist thing than a pro tool. I will be happy if faces and places can be accurately imported from iPhoto and Aperture into Photos.
No. Photos will be using the new Core Image RAW support, and will support extensions/plugins. Both of those features (and probably others used by Photos) will only exist in Yosemite, therefore Photos will require Yosemite.Plugins, wow. That's a pleasant surprise. Maybe a "make the entire thing like Aperture" plugin will arise?
The real question is: Will it run on Mountain Lion?
The pattern has already been established: when Mavericks was introduced, Apple released updates for iPhoto, iMovie, Garageband, Pages, Numbers, Keynote and Aperture which required Mavericks. Since then, Apple's pro video apps have also been updated to require Mavericks, though for some reason they were slightly more lenient with the pro audio apps, which still run on Mountain Lion.
I'd expect to see a similar pattern with Yosemite where subsequent updates of most of Apple's apps will require Yosemite. Some might be updated but still support Mavericks if they don't depend on new OS features.
All Macs which can run Mountain Lion are able to upgrade to Mavericks, and rumours say they will all be able to upgrade to Yosemite. What is keeping you on Mountain Lion which you expect will still be an issue more than six months from now?
Serious question - how do you know? I'm really looking for information on the new product but can't find a lot. Is there an article or early version that I'm missing? From what I've read, if it contains apertures features plus full cloud integration, and replaces the need to have 2 applications, it may well be better! Do you have any information that shows otherwise.
i like this whole idea of having access to all my photos on all my devices. still stinks that aperture is EOL'd, though. i'm going to play around with lightroom these next few months...though i'm sure i'll use photos when yosemite comes out. hopefully we aperture users won't lose too much with photos...