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APFS & High Sierra Compatibility
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chrfr
macrumors G5
I would not even try to use something like DiskWarrior on an APFS volume. A disk utility may not correctly recognize the format and could cause data loss if you try to use it to repair your disk.
I would definitely stay away from disk managers when working with APFS, unless you know more.
happyslayer
macrumors 65816
Do not just assume an app will work! So far, for me, Scrivener and Outlook are borked and don't work. This is a Dev beta so I'm not complaining, but just know that stuff may not work.
Janichsan
macrumors 68040
DiskWarrior and TechTool Pro will probably need an update (I would be surprised if they wouldn't prepare these patches already), Quicken likely won't need an update, as the file system should be transparent for most applications. In the case of CCC, it depends how precisely it works, which I don't know. If it's basically a front-end for macOS' own cloning features (which exist and which a bunch of other similar software use), it might not need any update. If they are using their own cloning routines with deep ties to HFS+, it will most likely need a patch.
Many thanks to you all. Indeed therein is wise counsel (well worth heeding).
I hope this thread continues as I suspect most of us (certainly moi) still have more, much more, to learn.
Perhaps I should go back to something easy, like the Grand Unification Theory or brain surgery…
I hope this thread continues as I suspect most of us (certainly moi) still have more, much more, to learn.
Perhaps I should go back to something easy, like the Grand Unification Theory or brain surgery…
From an Apple FAQ (https://goo.gl/ZgvIlc):
"Apple File System is a new, modern file system for iOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS. It is optimized for Flash/SSD storage and features strong encryption, copy-on-write metadata, space sharing, cloning for files and directories, snapshots, fast directory sizing, atomic safe-save primitives, and improved file system fundamentals.
APFS replaces HFS+ as the default file system for iOS 10.3 and later, and macOS 10.13 and later."
Apple says APFS is the default file system, but does that mean one will have the option to retain HFS+?
"Apple File System is a new, modern file system for iOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS. It is optimized for Flash/SSD storage and features strong encryption, copy-on-write metadata, space sharing, cloning for files and directories, snapshots, fast directory sizing, atomic safe-save primitives, and improved file system fundamentals.
APFS replaces HFS+ as the default file system for iOS 10.3 and later, and macOS 10.13 and later."
Apple says APFS is the default file system, but does that mean one will have the option to retain HFS+?
danilko1
macrumors 65816
CCC and CleanMyMac have beta updates that supposedly supports High Sierra, however I don't know if that also means APFS. I had a clean conversion, while FileVault is turned on, then including an external USB-C HDD, that was formatted HPFS, on GPT, which holds my iTunes library.
With the current preview, you get the option to convert to APFS or keep HFS.
Alsoft (DiskWarrior) are notoriously slow at updating their app, even when the app has glaring issues. They don't update for a year or more at a time. You certainly won't be able to use it on AFS volumes. Carbon Copy Cloner and TechTool will most certainly be getting updates. As for Quicken ... if you're really adamant about sticking to that ancient software, you can always run it in a virtual machine.
CCC and DiskWarrior are absolutely essential for me for drive maintenance and back ups. Both have saved my bacon countless times.
shepaldo
macrumors newbie
...I did an upgrade install from 10.12 to 10.13 leading to a fairly unstable system...a clean install of 10.13 gave a much better result for me - very fast and stable and all apps (Office, Coda, BBEdit, Adobe apps...) work from one MAJOR failure unfortunately: Google Drive no longer seems to work using the new APFS - see attachment - I would be pleased to know if anybody has a workaround!!!
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maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
I would say wait until Google updates their side of things, go back to HFS+ or roll back to Sierra.
shepaldo
macrumors newbie
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Given that this is a beta (and first developer preview at that), you may be in for a bit of a wait.
CCC is indispensible if you want to make bootable clones of your hard drive(s). I use it every month to make an encrypted backup that stays offsite.
Janichsan
macrumors 68040
You can actually make bootable clones of your (Mac) drives easily with just the standard Disk Utility.
You can and that works well if you just want to do it once, but if you want to keep an updated clone around, CCC is good to have since it can just increment the changes rather than a full clone each time like Disk Util does.
Janichsan
macrumors 68040
That's true. DU is not necessarily meant for regular and/or incremental backups, but rather cloning for the purpose of migration of boot disks.
That is cool, but CCC offers some very good options, like the ability to archive at the root level things that have changed since the last clone. It can also schedule the clone, remind you if it's been too long, run scripts before or after the clone. It's a very useful piece of software and the developers are very diligent about keeping it updated.
Well Diskwarrior Fixed HFS file system problems so will be obsolete on APFS
Techtool is a bag of ***** if you ask me ;-)
Quicken 2007 might still work.
Carbon copy cloner we will have to see what happens it uses rsync to copy and ASR for block restore.
Us tech admins are awaiting whats going to happen but we mostly are saying goodbye to Imaging workflow.
I think you need to read up about APFS more. And i am sure they are doing much more under the hood regarding time machine.
mikecwest
macrumors 65816
Do you think it is not possible that Alsoft will make DiskWarrior fix problems with HFS, as well as APFS in future releases? I am assuming that APFS file systems will encounter issues, as well as any other file systems on any platform.
I seriously doubt that any of the major software vendors are just going to hang up the towel, and not adapt software to be used on newer software and hardware. It is very early in the whole "APFS" transition, although it has been "available" for the past year or so, it is not yet commonplace. It is completely possible that Alsoft, and other vendors are quietly working behind the scenes on creating new software that is compatible. It is also possible that some are holding off, until details and features of new softwares are more concrete.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
HFS+ will continue to be a supported file system for apple (at least for now), and so I'd expect Alsoft to support both file systems.