APFS & High Sierra Compatibility

Discussion in 'macOS High Sierra (10.13)' started by Pndrgnsvc, Jun 5, 2017.

  1. Pndrgnsvc macrumors 6502

    Pndrgnsvc

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2008
    Location:
    Georgetown, Texas
    #1
    A big concern of mine is what apps will no longer work with APFS, specifically: DiskWarior, TechTool Pro, Quicken 2007, and Carbon Copy Cloner.

    Or is that silliness and apps that work with Sierra "should" work with High Sierra?
     
  2. chscag macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2008
    Location:
    Fort Worth, Texas
    #2
    I suspect developers are already working on that. Brings back memories when MS decided to abandon FAT and go with NTFS. Developers wasted no time re-doing their apps and utilities then and won't now.
     
  3. chrfr macrumors 603

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2009
    #3
    I would not even try to use something like DiskWarrior on an APFS volume. A disk utility may not correctly recognize the format and could cause data loss if you try to use it to repair your disk.
     
  4. KALLT macrumors 601

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    #4
    I would definitely stay away from disk managers when working with APFS, unless you know more.
     
  5. happyslayer macrumors 6502a

    happyslayer

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2008
    Location:
    Glendale, AZ
    #5
    Do not just assume an app will work! So far, for me, Scrivener and Outlook are borked and don't work. This is a Dev beta so I'm not complaining, but just know that stuff may not work.
     
  6. Janichsan macrumors 65816

    Janichsan

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2006
    #6
    DiskWarrior and TechTool Pro will probably need an update (I would be surprised if they wouldn't prepare these patches already), Quicken likely won't need an update, as the file system should be transparent for most applications. In the case of CCC, it depends how precisely it works, which I don't know. If it's basically a front-end for macOS' own cloning features (which exist and which a bunch of other similar software use), it might not need any update. If they are using their own cloning routines with deep ties to HFS+, it will most likely need a patch.
     
  7. Pndrgnsvc thread starter macrumors 6502

    Pndrgnsvc

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2008
    Location:
    Georgetown, Texas
    #7
    Many thanks to you all. Indeed therein is wise counsel (well worth heeding).

    I hope this thread continues as I suspect most of us (certainly moi) still have more, much more, to learn.

    Perhaps I should go back to something easy, like the Grand Unification Theory or brain surgery…
     
  8. Pndrgnsvc thread starter macrumors 6502

    Pndrgnsvc

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2008
    Location:
    Georgetown, Texas
    #8
    From an Apple FAQ (https://goo.gl/ZgvIlc):

    "Apple File System is a new, modern file system for iOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS. It is optimized for Flash/SSD storage and features strong encryption, copy-on-write metadata, space sharing, cloning for files and directories, snapshots, fast directory sizing, atomic safe-save primitives, and improved file system fundamentals.

    APFS replaces HFS+ as the default file system for iOS 10.3 and later, and macOS 10.13 and later."

    Apple says APFS is the default file system, but does that mean one will have the option to retain HFS+?
     
  9. danilko1 macrumors 6502a

    danilko1

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    #9
    CCC and CleanMyMac have beta updates that supposedly supports High Sierra, however I don't know if that also means APFS. I had a clean conversion, while FileVault is turned on, then including an external USB-C HDD, that was formatted HPFS, on GPT, which holds my iTunes library.
     
  10. TwoBytes macrumors 68020

    TwoBytes

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2008
    #10
    I think the intention of APFS will mean less use of these 'disk manager' apps due to the fault/file tolerance and reliability of APFS
     
  11. Nermal Moderator

    Nermal

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2002
    Location:
    New Zealand
    #11
    With the current preview, you get the option to convert to APFS or keep HFS.
     
  12. Tanax macrumors 6502a

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Location:
    Stockholm, Sweden
    #12
    I'm curious what you use all those apps for? Is it really needed?
     
  13. UL2RA macrumors 6502a

    UL2RA

    Joined:
    May 7, 2017
    #13
    Alsoft (DiskWarrior) are notoriously slow at updating their app, even when the app has glaring issues. They don't update for a year or more at a time. You certainly won't be able to use it on AFS volumes. Carbon Copy Cloner and TechTool will most certainly be getting updates. As for Quicken ... if you're really adamant about sticking to that ancient software, you can always run it in a virtual machine.


    CCC and DiskWarrior are absolutely essential for me for drive maintenance and back ups. Both have saved my bacon countless times.
     
  14. shepaldo macrumors newbie

    shepaldo

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2017
    #14
    ...I did an upgrade install from 10.12 to 10.13 leading to a fairly unstable system...a clean install of 10.13 gave a much better result for me - very fast and stable and all apps (Office, Coda, BBEdit, Adobe apps...) work from one MAJOR failure unfortunately: Google Drive no longer seems to work using the new APFS - see attachment - I would be pleased to know if anybody has a workaround!!!
     

    Attached Files:

  15. maflynn Moderator

    maflynn

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2009
    Location:
    Boston
    #15
    I would say wait until Google updates their side of things, go back to HFS+ or roll back to Sierra.
     
  16. shepaldo macrumors newbie

    shepaldo

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2017
    #16
    ...waiting for Google seems the best option for now...
     
  17. maflynn Moderator

    maflynn

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2009
    Location:
    Boston
    #17
    Given that this is a beta (and first developer preview at that), you may be in for a bit of a wait.
     
  18. ignatius345 macrumors 6502a

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2015
    #18
    CCC is indispensible if you want to make bootable clones of your hard drive(s). I use it every month to make an encrypted backup that stays offsite.
     
  19. Janichsan macrumors 65816

    Janichsan

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2006
    #19
    You can actually make bootable clones of your (Mac) drives easily with just the standard Disk Utility.
     
  20. Weaselboy Moderator

    Weaselboy

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2005
    Location:
    California
    #20
    You can and that works well if you just want to do it once, but if you want to keep an updated clone around, CCC is good to have since it can just increment the changes rather than a full clone each time like Disk Util does.
     
  21. Janichsan macrumors 65816

    Janichsan

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2006
    #21
    That's true. DU is not necessarily meant for regular and/or incremental backups, but rather cloning for the purpose of migration of boot disks.
     
  22. ignatius345 macrumors 6502a

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2015
    #22
    That is cool, but CCC offers some very good options, like the ability to archive at the root level things that have changed since the last clone. It can also schedule the clone, remind you if it's been too long, run scripts before or after the clone. It's a very useful piece of software and the developers are very diligent about keeping it updated.
     
  23. agentx macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2009
    #23
    Well Diskwarrior Fixed HFS file system problems so will be obsolete on APFS
    Techtool is a bag of ***** if you ask me ;-)
    Quicken 2007 might still work.
    Carbon copy cloner we will have to see what happens it uses rsync to copy and ASR for block restore.
    Us tech admins are awaiting whats going to happen but we mostly are saying goodbye to Imaging workflow.

    I think you need to read up about APFS more. And i am sure they are doing much more under the hood regarding time machine.
     
  24. mikecwest macrumors 6502a

    mikecwest

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2013
    #24
    Do you think it is not possible that Alsoft will make DiskWarrior fix problems with HFS, as well as APFS in future releases? I am assuming that APFS file systems will encounter issues, as well as any other file systems on any platform.

    I seriously doubt that any of the major software vendors are just going to hang up the towel, and not adapt software to be used on newer software and hardware. It is very early in the whole "APFS" transition, although it has been "available" for the past year or so, it is not yet commonplace. It is completely possible that Alsoft, and other vendors are quietly working behind the scenes on creating new software that is compatible. It is also possible that some are holding off, until details and features of new softwares are more concrete.
     
  25. maflynn Moderator

    maflynn

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2009
    Location:
    Boston
    #25
    HFS+ will continue to be a supported file system for apple (at least for now), and so I'd expect Alsoft to support both file systems.
     

Share This Page