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No. For example:
It runs horrendously bad on my MacBook Pro. Trying to convert to APFS failed and can no longer access the external HDD (it failed I my internal HDD too). Will reformat and just leave Sierra on it. Can’t understand why it’s so bad on older non-SSD machines. Sierra runs really well. I had hoped that Beta 2 would fix this issue, but no.
 
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I've tried converting two drives. One, a HDD over usb 3, worked completely without issue, and performs as expected. The other, an encrypted HFJ+ over usb 2, failed repeatedly, but the disk was not damaged and did not need to be repaired.
 
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Can you recall the details?

If you use diskutil instead of Disk Utility, you'll probably get more information.

I'm not that concerned, I'm about to replace this drive anyways, but here's the detailed conversion log. Screen Shot 2017-07-02 at 4.46.54 PM.pngScreen Shot 2017-07-02 at 4.46.28 PM.pngScreen Shot 2017-07-02 at 4.49.17 PM.png
 
Does anyone have updates for APFS with HDDs in the new Beta? I've heard that things have settled down a lot, for those who were experiencing issues with APFS on SSDs, in the new Beta.
 
APFS will convert HDDs, it's just that APFS doesn't supports drives using MBR it only works with GPT. So if your drive uses MBR you will need to format it to use GPT.

If your drive uses MBR when you right click convert in Disk Utility you should get Error 118.

You can use the terminal to force a drive using MBR to convert to APFS, but then your mac won't be able to mount the drive.

Use "diskutil list" in terminal to see what partition table all your drives use, if it says "GUID_partition_scheme" then you can convert that disk, if it says "Master Boot Record" then you need to reformat the drive.

Do you see anything odd here that would prevent me from converting? I get error 60953. I am not sure why I have a virtual and a physical. I originally named the drive SSD HDD when I formatted/partitioned it and renamed it in the OS to Macintosh SDD. Thoughts?
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Do you see anything odd here that would prevent me from converting? I get error 60953. I am not sure why I have a virtual and a physical. I originally named the drive SSD HDD when I formatted/partitioned it and renamed it in the OS to Macintosh SDD. Thoughts?
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I don't see anything weird, could be because you're booted into it. Maybe try from the recovery partition. The virtual/physical is mostly likely because you have FileVault on or the disk is an encrypted journaled system. All encrypted volumes/partitions have a "CoreStorage" partition that is virtualized when unencrypted by the system.
 
I don't see anything weird, could be because you're booted into it. Maybe try from the recovery partition. The virtual/physical is mostly likely because you have FileVault on or the disk is an encrypted journaled system. All encrypted volumes/partitions have a "CoreStorage" partition that is virtualized when unencrypted by the system.

Thank you for your insight. I appreciate it. I have tried to convert in recovery mode and unmounted the drive. I don’t use fire vault and I don’t have it encrypted. But you have me thinking that maybe the core storage virtual partition is getting in the way and not correct?

I have a feeling if I blow the drive away and reformat/partition it to APFS it will work. The problem is I would first use CCC to image it. I am just not sure CCC will be able to copy the image back to the APFS formatted drive?

I definite don’t want to clean install and lose my settings and configuration.
[doublepost=1501695986][/doublepost]I would boot from my image from an external drive and use disk utility to reformat the internal drive hopefully to APFS and then restore it using CCC from the external. Just not sure this will work.
 
Thank you for your insight. I appreciate it. I have tried to convert in recovery mode and unmounted the drive. I don’t use fire vault and I don’t have it encrypted. But you have me thinking that maybe the core storage virtual partition is getting in the way and not correct?

I have a feeling if I blow the drive away and reformat/partition it to APFS it will work. The problem is I would first use CCC to image it. I am just not sure CCC will be able to copy the image back to the APFS formatted drive?
I've just noticed all my encrypted drives have an accompanying virtual volume and haven't seen it elsewhere. You could also just use time machine and restore from time machine after resetting the internal drive, should be no data/preference loss. I also like to occasionally do a fresh install though and just copy preference files of apps I care about from /Library/Preferences/ though that option definitely more troublesome.

Also have you tried from a recovery partition not on your internal drive? Seems unlikely if it doesn't work on the internal but might be worth a shot and less time consuming.
 
So when you run diskutil list from terminal it looks different than this?

Edit we cross posted. I will try time machine. I am not familiar with it. I tend to gravitate to imaging and restoring.
 
So when you run diskutil list from terminal it looks different than this?
This is all that I have on this laptop, but it's also a hackintosh. Though the same is also true for external unecrypted/encrypted drives on my real Mac at home.

Edit for cross posting: I've only used time machine a couple times but it works well. I'm also prone to DD cloning my images in terminal, but time machine is pretty convenient for reinstalls.
 

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This is all that I have on this laptop, but it's also a hackintosh. Though the same is also true for external unecrypted/encrypted drives on my real Mac at home.

Edit for cross posting: I've only used time machine a couple times but it works well. I'm also prone to DD cloning my images in terminal, but time machine is pretty convenient for reinstalls.

So the virtual drive looks odd to you? It’s funny because Macintosh SDD is my boot drive and I named it that AFTER I named it SSD HDD. Seems weird SSD HDD is even showing up.
[doublepost=1501697151][/doublepost]Last question I promise! Can I format a clean drive to APFS using disk utility in High Sierra?
 
The Public Beta allowed me to convert my regular 1TB HDD boot drive to APFS. I've had no issues with the drive, just the issues I've reported separately regarding bluetooth on the computer.
 
So the virtual drive looks odd to you? It’s funny because Macintosh SDD is my boot drive and I named it that AFTER I named it SSD HDD. Seems weird SSD HDD is even showing up.
Seems weird if you've never encrypted or used filevault, but I don't know if there are uses for CoreStorage volumes outside of that. Ex: pretty sure all APFS volumes show up as CoreStorage + virtual but I'll have to check my unencrptyed disks later.

Edit: Perhaps it's part of a failed APFS conversion?
 
Seems weird if you've never encrypted or used filevault, but I don't know if there are uses for CoreStorage volumes outside of that. Ex: pretty sure all APFS volumes show up as CoreStorage + virtual but I'll have to check my unencrptyed disks later.

Edit: Perhaps it's part of a failed APFS conversion?
Exactly. That’s what I am thinking.
[doublepost=1501698312][/doublepost]I am going to blow it away and hopefully restore the build I have now using CCC.
 
Seems weird if you've never encrypted or used filevault, but I don't know if there are uses for CoreStorage volumes outside of that. Ex: pretty sure all APFS volumes show up as CoreStorage + virtual but I'll have to check my unencrptyed disks later.

Edit: Perhaps it's part of a failed APFS conversion?

Well I finally have achieved success and it was less cumbersome and risky than I thought. I imaged my PB3 install over to a 256GB USB stick using CCC. That went fine. I booted from the stick and was prepared to wipe the internal SSD clean. For the hell of it, I first went into Disk Utility and thought I would give it one more shot at converting. It did this through the normal boot from the stick and not from recovery mode. I unmounted the internal SSD, selected Edit/convert to APFS (anticipated fail/error), it converted successfully in about 30 seconds. Crazy.

I am not sure what my issue was, but I suspect booting from the USB really unmounted my internal drive completely including the physical and virtual volumes (whatever the virtual is?). One of those had to still be in use when I have been getting fails.

Thanks for all your help. You were right about the virtual volume and the clutter from a failed HS install. That happened when first trying to install PB1 and checking the box.

How does everything look? Before converting, I would have Crucial Storage XXXX and Macintosh SSD looked like a slave or sub to it. Now it looks clean. I suspect the "Shared by Two Volumes" is normal and one it the recovery partition? The last record on my diskutil screen shot is my thumb drive.

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How does everything look? Before converting, I would have Crucial Storage XXXX and Macintosh SSD looked like a slave or sub to it. Now it looks clean. I suspect the "Shared by Two Volumes" is normal and one it the recovery partition? The last record on my diskutil screen shot is my thumb drive.
I just got a chance to look at mine, and the only real difference is that the recovery partition is in the synthesized volume and I have a reboot partition. The "two shared" is because apfs disks share all available disk space. If you had an external apfs with two partitions, they would both share the entire space of the apfs and consume the space as the partitions need. That's why the Macintosh SSD shows up as 115.3 GB partition, because that's the space it's used of all apfs space. At least this is my understanding of how APFS is supposed to work. Mine is shared by 4, because I have a preboot, and recovery apfs. Apparently the VM is essentially a swap space partition.
 
I just got a chance to look at mine, and the only real difference is that the recovery partition is in the synthesized volume and I have a reboot partition. The "two shared" is because apfs disks share all available disk space. If you had an external apfs with two partitions, they would both share the entire space of the apfs and consume the space as the partitions need. That's why the Macintosh SSD shows up as 115.3 GB partition, because that's the space it's used of all apfs space. At least this is my understanding of how APFS is supposed to work. Mine is shared by 4, because I have a preboot, and recovery apfs. Apparently the VM is essentially a swap space partition.

Thanks, got it. Makes sense. I am happy I got this sorted out with your help. I just knew the error wasn't beta related.
 
You can't. The option isn't there. I believe APFS is for SSDs only.
Yes, you CAN! As with any OS upgrade, the best thing to always do is a clean install. Yeah, takes a bit longer, but it eliminates so many problems that can occur. At this time, Apple's 10.13 installer does not ask if you want your HDD partition reformatted. But you can do this yourself either via Disk Utility v.17 in High Sierra installed somewhere else, or follow these instructions [ https://www.howtogeek.com/272741/how-to-format-a-drive-with-the-apfs-file-system-on-macos-sierra/ ], or use a third-party utility - I remember reading the product description of one, but cannot remember its name, sorry. After you have re-formatted the spinning hard-disk drive VOLUME, run the High Sierra installer. I strongly recommend you do this from a saved download of the installer on a separate partition/drive, while booted up in Safe Mode from El Capitan or Sierra
 
Yes, you CAN! As with any OS upgrade, the best thing to always do is a clean install. Yeah, takes a bit longer, but it eliminates so many problems that can occur. At this time, Apple's 10.13 installer does not ask if you want your HDD partition reformatted. But you can do this yourself either via Disk Utility v.17 in High Sierra installed somewhere else, or follow these instructions [ https://www.howtogeek.com/272741/how-to-format-a-drive-with-the-apfs-file-system-on-macos-sierra/ ], or use a third-party utility - I remember reading the product description of one, but cannot remember its name, sorry. After you have re-formatted the spinning hard-disk drive VOLUME, run the High Sierra installer. I strongly recommend you do this from a saved download of the installer on a separate partition/drive, while booted up in Safe Mode from El Capitan or Sierra
My post was from June, when it wasn’t an option. I did try to force a conversion on my old HDD (before I got my SSD) and it didn’t go well and I couldn’t access the drive.

I disagree - clean installs are not normally required with macOS. Upgrades work just fine and are generally the recommended method from Apple.
 
yup can..i converted my 2TB Seagate Firecuda 2.5" from HFS+ to APFS in my MacBook Pro 15inch 2012 non-Retina 2.7Ghz i7 Quad-Core A1286 last week and the read/write performance went smooth and faster (checked it via Blackberry Disk Speed Test app).Anyway this is drive is just my secondary drive where i just put non-system files like documents,videos,movies,audio files,pictures and apps installers in zip or rar file...
my main reboot system drive is my 2tb 850 evo ssd that has been converted from HFS+ to APFS when i upgraded in High Sierra GM automatically....


MacBook Pro 15inch 2012 non-Retina 2.7Ghz i7 Quad-Core A1286

16GB 2133mhz DDR3L RAM

2TB SAMSUNG 850 EVO SSD

2TB FIRECUDA SSHD

SSHD Speed on HFS+
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SSHD Speed on APFS
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