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Apogee Duet (firewire) on 10.7 Lion

Doesn't work for me. "Variable xsr342 not specified (or definition - I have swedish OS)".

I pasted this:

do shell script "killall duetDaemon" password xsr342 with administrator privileges

Not working - cant run script.

Nitrus said:
do shell script "killall duetDaemon" password hotcoffee with administrator privileges

this would be correct.
hide it somewhere... and add it into your login items.

If you're not seeing your Volume popup, make sure that it is listed in your Login items. If it is not, you can add it manually, or you can just reinstall the duet package.

If it is... run it once manually, and reboot.

Now everything should be working 100%!
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jorgus said:
Doesn't work for me. "Variable xsr342 not specified (or definition - I have swedish OS)".

I pasted this:

do shell script "killall duetDaemon" password xsr342 with administrator privileges

Not working - cant run script.
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Try password "xsr342" ...
 
Ok, so LION is officially released tomorrow. Hopefully Apogee releases their updates soon, but in the meantime, anyone who updates tomorrow make sure to try the solutions in the first post.
 
jorgus said:
Info:

If you daisy chain FW800 with Duet last in the chain (Duet is FW400) - or have a FW800 hub - the speed from FW disks goes down 40-45% (to around 400 Mb/s.) after a while. Forcequitting/restarting duetDaemon brings up the speed again - for some time. This is new for Lion - did not happen in Snow Leopard. In Snow Leopard the speed was stabile around 6-700 Mb/s (thats what to expect from FW800 disks).

Yes, I'm in desperate need for a new Lion driver update from Apogee. :-D. This is not good. This is bad. Apogee! Listen!
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If u are desperate don't get lion!
 
Duet 2 Beta Software Installer - July 2011 - Mac OS X Lion Compatible with Mac OS 10.7 -
Do not install unless you are updating to Mac OS X Lion

http://support.apogeedigital.com/


Be warned, it's a beta and you're a beta tester even though Lion has gone live...
 
Oh well - look like I'll be trying these work arounds then as it says September for Duet 1 :(

I appreciate it is no longer the current model and that stability is most important with kernel extensions but one of the reasons I choose Apogee was that it was recommended on the Apple site and integrated with Mac OS X. Many vendors for whom the Mac isn't their main platform lagged with support for new operating systems and point updates I had hoped for a near simultaneous release. I need to get experience of 10.7 and dual booting gets old really quick.
 
Mattww said:
Oh well - look like I'll be trying these work arounds then as it says September for Duet 1 :(
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Considering we're already toward the end of July, that's not really bad news. I wonder if we'll also get Maestro 2 at the same time. The new Mac Mini that was just announced today still has Firewire, so I'm probably sticking with my original Duet.
 
I think Apogee is a lazy bunch of people :-D. September! Even small companies and solo persons developing apps like PleaseSleep and LittleSnitch have delivered updates for Lion.
I bought Duet just a year ago and have no plans for Duet 2. I don't think my next sound card will be Apogee at all - despite their beauty and good sound. They are just to slow in software - the driver we have now is over two years old and it's not 100% stabile. They didn't care to fix it...after two years.
The Duet also drags down speed in a FW800 setup. That's sad. No - I will look for other brands next time.

(you can disagre - but if you questioning my right to complain I think you're an agent for Apogee :)

goodgnus said:
Considering we're already toward the end of July, that's not really bad news. I wonder if we'll also get Maestro 2 at the same time. The new Mac Mini that was just announced today still has Firewire, so I'm probably sticking with my original Duet.
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Workaround #1 Successful Here

I updated to Lion before I read the Apogee working list..what a doofus huh?

Anyway wanted to let you know that Workaround #1 was successful here...
iMac 25 i7, Apogee Duet Firewire.

Thanks for the insights.
 
Ha! Now Apogge changed and say that a new Lion-friendly driver for Duet will come in august. That's better! They must have read my critisism here :-D.
 
jorgus said:
I think Apogee is a lazy bunch of people :-D. They are just to slow in software - the driver we have now is over two years old and it's not 100% stabile. They didn't care to fix it...after two years.
The Duet also drags down speed in a FW800 setup. That's sad. No - I will look for other brands next time.
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Your experience with the Duet doesn't mirror mine at all. And some of what you say is misleading I think.

If you put any FW400 item last in line before the computer it will slow down anything behind it. It has long been recommended that you use a FW Hub in order to mix speeds on the same bus so you don't burn a FW800 speed on a FW400 bus.

Two the drivers in my setup (iMac 27, i7 CPU, 16gb ram) are not in the least unstable. And as noted above the first work around did the trick on my system. Perhaps you have other things going on that conflict with Apogee.

And third...not that I'm an Apogee PR firm.....but they have been highly responsive to my inquiries and/or questions over the year I've owned a Duet. They have also been quite helpful and not the least bit
sour.

Now if they did listen to your tirade and put out the driver because of it...I take everything back.
 
I have a FW800 hub. Of course I have. Duet slows down F800 - wherever you put it - first in chain - last in chain - in hub - anywhere it slows FW800 down. That's a fact. Try it youself if you don't belive me.

Papanate said:
If you put any FW400 item last in line before the computer it will slow down anything behind it. It has long been recommended that you use a FW Hub in order to mix speeds on the same bus so you don't burn a FW800 speed on a FW400 bus.
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I was experiencing the same problems that you all were with my Duet, but running the Duet Uninstaller from Apogee's website cleared them up.

The keyboard buttons work to control volume as normal, but the mute button doesn't work right - it automatically unmutes itself. You have to hold down the volume button on the duet to actually mute it.

I haven't tried recording anything yet, but playback is perfectly stable.
 
Duet works just fine on my iMac 27" i7. Mind you, it is not set as default sound card (internal audio is), but Reason, Record, Live and Cubase 6 all seem to be "happy" with playing back through Duet without any hacks whatsoever...
Haven't tried recording yet though...
 
jorgus said:
I have a FW800 hub. Of course I have. Duet slows down F800 - wherever you put it - first in chain - last in chain - in hub - anywhere it slows FW800 down. That's a fact. Try it youself if you don't belive me.
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If you have a hub then you shouldn't be chaining FW devices - that is what the hub is for.
 
deuce sluice said:
I was experiencing the same problems that you all were with my Duet, but running the Duet Uninstaller from Apogee's website cleared them up.

The keyboard buttons work to control volume as normal, but the mute button doesn't work right - it automatically unmutes itself. You have to hold down the volume button on the duet to actually mute it.

I haven't tried recording anything yet, but playback is perfectly stable.
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Weird. After lots of glitchy audio, I tried running the uninstaller, but that definitely didn't accomplish much - if anything. It seems the main problem comes when any second audio source attempts to send audio to the Duet. For example, if I'm listening to iTunes and I get an email, instead of hearing the new mail sound, I get brief silence as even the iTunes audio drops out.

I'm looking forward to Lion drivers for the Duet.
 
Weirder still. Sometimes my keyboard volume keys work, sometimes they don't. At this moment, my keyboard volume keys work, but the Duet volume knob does nothing.

Yup - I'm looking forward to getting Lion drivers for the firewire Duet. August can't come soon enough. Granted, I'm the one who upgraded to Lion (I bought a new Mini) so I'm not complaining :)
 
Added a 3rd workaround via user VoiceofReason and user vtk, who have completely uninstalled the Duet/Maestro software and have their Duets working well by completely bypassing the Maestro software for now.

Personally, I've been getting on fine just killing the duetdaemon now and then if something gets funky, but I'm itching for both Apogee and Ableton to push their updates so everything is smooth and up to date. So far, I know a lot of people are whining and fussing just like every other major OS update, but I friggin' love Lion, don't regret updating my main system at all. :)
 
HoldernessMedia said:
Added a 3rd workaround via user VoiceofReason and user vtk, who have completely uninstalled the Duet/Maestro software and have their Duets working well by completely bypassing the Maestro software for now.

Personally, I've been getting on fine just killing the duetdaemon now and then if something gets funky, but I'm itching for both Apogee and Ableton to push their updates so everything is smooth and up to date. So far, I know a lot of people are whining and fussing just like every other major OS update, but I friggin' love Lion, don't regret updating my main system at all. :)
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Weird. I haven't experienced any funkiness with workaround #1. Everything works as it did out of the box. Even keyboard volume keys!
 
Nitrus said:
Weird. I haven't experienced any funkiness with workaround #1. Everything works as it did out of the box. Even keyboard volume keys!
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I'm only having an issue with Ableton. When running the latest ableton beta (8.2.5b1) everything works except when I try to adjust the master volume. Ableton instantly crashes, whether I adjust the volume using the keys, duet knob, or maestro to adjust the master volume.

Funny thing is, I had less problems with my original solution. I only started getting problems again once I tried out the kill duetdaemon solution. At this point I'm too busy to do any further investigation, and Apogee is supposed to be releasing new Duet software sometime this month anyways.

Anyhow, it's no big deal really. In the last week, I've still managed to compose 3 new pieces for a short film and 2 ambient pieces for a new game I'm making, even though you're not supposed to be able to accomplish anything with betas as they're SOOO unstable and unreliable that it just ruins your whole life, lol.
 
Uninstalling was the solution that worked best for me. There's still some weirdness in the behavior of the volume keys and volume knob. It's as if each one has a different memory of where the volume currently is, meaning that if I use the Duet to turn the volume up and then later use the volume keys on my keyboard, the graphic on screen shows a completely different volume than what the volume actually is. Weird. Other than that, everything seems to be working quite well after uninstalling Apogee drivers.

I'm looking forward to new Lion drivers though. That'll be great!
 
goodgnus said:
Uninstalling was the solution that worked best for me. There's still some weirdness in the behavior of the volume keys and volume knob. It's as if each one has a different memory of where the volume currently is, meaning that if I use the Duet to turn the volume up and then later use the volume keys on my keyboard, the graphic on screen shows a completely different volume than what the volume actually is. Weird. Other than that, everything seems to be working quite well after uninstalling Apogee drivers.

I'm looking forward to new Lion drivers though. That'll be great!
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Meo too. I use ableton live and it kept on crashing until I removed Maestro.
 
goodgnus said:
Uninstalling was the solution that worked best for me.
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Uninstalling (or not installing at all, if you made a clean Lion install or just bought your new Mac) is the best solution if you only use Duet for output. For the input, however, you still need the drivers.
 
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