App store - Apps are locked - DRM!!

Discussion in 'Mac Apps and Mac App Store' started by aussie_geek, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. aussie_geek macrumors 65816

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    Just a heads up - the Apps are locked to your appleid.

    Just copied over a FREE app and it wanted to be authorised for use on my other Mac.

    ALso,

    How do you delete apps? Do you just trash them? Finder asks for a pw to delete them....

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  2. petvas macrumors 601

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    You delete apps exactly the same way you would delete other apps not bought from the Appstore. Most apps can be uninstalled by deleting them, others do have files in your library/Application Support folder (and sometimes other folders too). If you aren't sure just use Appzapper to uninstall the apps.

    Yes, apps are DRMed. Is this bad for you? The iPhone and iPad Appstore work exactly the same.
     
  3. ctt1wbw macrumors 68000

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    I use AppCleaner to uninstall apps. Deletes all traces of the app from everywhere.
     
  4. aussie_geek thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Nope - not a problem - just a heads up...

    As for ap zapper - deletes the app and pref file . But then if you go back to the page in the app store it still says installed.
     
  5. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    I think this was already known, but I'm pretty sure it lets you authorize as many computers as you want, so it just keeps you from "borrowing" a friends copy.
     
  6. aussie_geek thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Just figured out how to delete -

    Delete the app - drag to trash.

    Enter admin PW

    then restart your mac and you can download it again. It still says that it is in purchases but you can re-download.

    I always want to be know how to remove things before I start loading computers up with stuff ;)
     
  7. Matthew9559 macrumors 6502a

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    That makes sense how you delete them. Not sure if I would have done that first try though. :rolleyes:
     
  8. benpatient macrumors 68000

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    wait, you have to restart to get them not to say "installed"???

    shouldn't the app store have an "uninstall" option when it is listed as "installed"???
     
  9. annaj macrumors newbie

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    i did not have to restart my computer, I didn't even have to restart the app store... I just clicked on a different tab (like top charts) and then clicked back on purchases... the button had changed from installed to install.
     
  10. lars666 macrumors 6502a

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    Has anybody already found out if I have to / am able to deauthorize Mac AppStore programs when selling a computer, setting up a new system etc. like you have to to with iTunes Store purchases? Or is the difference with the Mac AppStore, like somebody mentioned above, that you can really have it authorized on as many computers as you like? (and independently from iTunes audio and video?)
     
  11. liketom macrumors 601

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    i think the app is linked to your itunes store account and not your mac - where your itunes account goes your apps go

    i think
     
  12. Disgrace macrumors member

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    This was beyond obvious the day the whole thing was announced.
     
  13. mrblack927 macrumors 6502a

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    That's a good question... the MAS doesn't have a "Deauthorize this computer" option...
     
  14. MacProDude macrumors member

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    Maybe I'm not following, but to deauthorize an app store app when selling a computer, just trash it (and you're secure erasing it, right? ;) ). The new owner won't be able to re-download it using your appleid.
     
  15. lars666, Jan 7, 2011
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    lars666 macrumors 6502a

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    Let me explain it this way: If you would format your computer five times without having de-authorized your iTunes purchases each time, you are still registered on five computers and won't be able to play your iTunes Store music and movies - and mabye even activate the iOS apps? - on the "sixth" computer (but you can contact Apple in this case, they will set everything to zero once a year, I guess). The question was if it is the same way with the Mac Store - if you have to be careful to de-authorize when changing a computer. But it seems as if the App Store software doesn't have to be handeled this way ...
     
  16. Daveoc64 macrumors 601

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    I've seen no confirmation that there is a limit to the number of computers you can authorise.

    It's much harder to test the rules as it only works on Macs.
     
  17. Consultant macrumors G5

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    Exactly.

    Reported many times on how it will work. Some people should read more and talk (post) less.

    Of course you can de-authorize the computer.
     
  18. jace88 macrumors regular

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    So the summary of all this is that if I have multiple user accounts on our iMac, I need to activate each one of these so that they can all share apps downloaded? i.e. each user account counts as one activation towards a finite number (presumably 5 again?).

    The other question then is does it also count towards the same limit of 5 for iTunes accounts?
     
  19. GGJstudios, Jan 7, 2011
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    GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    AppZapper, AppCleaner, TrashMe, and similar apps do not do a thorough job of removing all files/folders related to deleted apps. I tested several of these, using Skype as the app to be removed. Of 17 items to be removed:
    AppZapper missed 13 items
    AppCleaner missed 11 items
    AppDelete missed 8 items​
    I also tested AppTrap, CleanMyMac and a few others, but don't recall how many items they missed. All left files/folders behind. In most cases, they remove .plist files and a few others, but leave behind much larger files and folders. (you will find a discussion of these tests in the thread linked below)

    The only effective method for complete app removal is manual deletion:

    Best way to FULLY DELETE a program
     
  20. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    I don't know if you have to activate it on each user account, but even if you do it is not counting toward any number. You just have to actually own the mac.


    Source
     
  21. jace88 macrumors regular

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    Thanks for the tip. Looks like I'll just activate all the Macs and Macbooks in my house to make it easier to share apps between them :)
     
  22. gorjan macrumors 6502

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    Yes well it wouldn't kill Apple to make it easier* to uninstall apps.

    *Easier as in dragging the app to trash automatically includes plist, samples and so on. If you're to drag GarageBand to trash you still have GBs of samples on your HDD. :rolleyes:
     
  23. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    It's not up to Apple. It's up to each app developer to determine if they want to make app removal simple or complex. Apple doesn't control that. Many of them leave .plists and other files behind, in case you change your mind and later want to reinstall their app. Some are just sloppy in their housekeeping. At any rate, Mac OS X can't control how other apps behave.
     
  24. VictoriaStudent macrumors regular

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    interesting

    I just found out that it's incredibly simply to circumvent the DRM of the App store. Let's see - it took < 24 hours to 'break' App store DRM.

    anyway....
     
  25. lars666, Jan 8, 2011
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    lars666 macrumors 6502a

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    Yes? Then show me where to de-authorize your Mac AppStore purchases ... And please don't say "Go into iTunes etc." It's an independent system, even if you use the same Apple ID for purchases as for your music/videos.

    Mabye some people should read more (what the question was) and talk (post) less?

    EDIT: As I see now after reading again - oh, the irony! - that your "Read more, post less"-comment wasn't aimed at me but the guy who was surprised the apps are locked to an Apple ID (which INDEED was obvious), I take my last comment back. :) However, you probably misunderstood the question about having to de-authorize Mac AppStore purchases or not - but I'm pretty sure they are not limited like music/video purchases to 5 machines (and therefore no need to de-authorize them separately somehow when re-installing a system etc.)
     

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