App store Hack

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  1. macmacmacr macrumors member

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    I am running Yosemite freshly installed about 2 months ago current date Nov-2-2016, and my "App store version is 2.0 (376.29) instead of 2.2. My version of Yosemite is 10.10.5 and was wondering why the most stable version isn't running and how can the App store be updated?
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    apple says the version is fixed with the operating system so 2.0 belongs with Yosemite
     
  2. DeltaMac macrumors 604

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    You have the most up-to-date version of App Store in Yosemite, which is version 2.0.
    It's at least as "stable" as the App Store version that runs under Sierra.
    That App Store app is one of those native system apps that is dependent on the system it is installed on.
    The most current version of App Store (as of today) is 2.2, and is included with Sierra.
    That version 2.2 won't run on Yosemite (or El Capitan, fwiw)
    If you, for some reason, need the latest version of the App Store app, you can update your App Store version simply by updating to Sierra.
    And, as a free bonus, you get the rest of Sierra, too!
     
  3. macmacmacr thread starter macrumors member

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    Someone running Mountain lion has version 2.1 a older version than Yosemite
     
  4. DeltaMac macrumors 604

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    Looks like your dyslexia is acting up :D

    App Store on Mountain Lion is version 1.2.2
     
  5. macmacmacr, Nov 2, 2016
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    Where did you get your information?
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    From Wikipeadia I get the following for Yosemite.

    The Mac App Store on OS X Yosemite

    Developer(s) Apple Inc.
    Initial release January 6, 2011; 5 years ago[1]

    Stable release
    2.2 / June 24, 2016; 4 months ago[2]

    Operating system OS X Mac OS X Snow Leopard or newer

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_App_Store
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    I got this from Wiki

    The Mac App Store on OS X Yosemite

    Developer(s) Apple Inc.
    Initial release January 6, 2011; 5 years ago[1]

    Stable release
    2.2 / June 24, 2016; 4 months ago[2]
    Development status Active
    Operating system OS X Mac OS X Snow Leopard or newer
    Platform Mac
    Type Digital distribution
    Website www.apple.com/osx/apps/app-store/

    website from Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_App_Store
     
  6. DeltaMac macrumors 604

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    I didn't need to go far. I checked the version on the Mountain Lion system that I have here.
    (I have full system installs that I keep updated, on a couple of drives, for every system version from Tiger/10.4.11 to current Sierra. So it's easy to see what app versions are available on each system version.

    You show a variety of facts, but you perhaps did not realize that each version of OS X has its own version of the App Store app. For example, you can't run the Snow Leopard App Store app in Lion, and you can't update the Snow Leopard version to a newer version, unless you also update the OS X system itself.
    Each version of the App Store app, which started late in Snow Leopard, is part of its respective OS X/macOS installation.
    For example, the Snow Leopard version cannot run on Lion, and there are no updates to the version included with each OS X system software version.

    Bottom line: App Store has been available since Snow Leopard, and each updated OS X system since has also updated the App Store app (among other native apps in the system), and many of those apps will NOT run on newer (or older) systems.

    What does that mean for you, as a potential user of Snow Leopard (or Mountain Lion/whatever)?
    Each system version has its own respective "stable release" version of the apps installed by that system, including the App Store. There has not been any updates at all to Mountain Lion, since the final security update for Mountain Lion, which was release in August 2015. That would be the last update that might have affected the software update software, but I don't know if that actually changed anything about Software update, just guessing.
    If you need to discover if there are updates for your system, run Software Update.
    OK, Software Update has also not been available as an app since Mavericks (I think), and updates are now only provided through the App Store. That's one function (software updates) where Sierra has completely changed since Snow Leopard.
     
  7. macmacmacr thread starter macrumors member

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    I have someone who has a
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    I have someone with a Mountain Lion Mac that has version 2.1 of the App store. You have 1.2 that does not make sense.
     
  8. DeltaMac macrumors 604

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    Sorry, that's not something that you can prove (on an un-hacked, standard system install)
    And, please read my posts more carefully. I did not say I have version 1.2 of App Store in Mountain Lion. I would be inaccurate if I said that.
    It is version 1.2.2 in Mountain Lion.

    If you know someone who has the App Store app version 2.1, then he is running El Capitan (which is OS X 10.11.6).
    Check again, as that is the first OS X version that gets App Store 2.1

    I suspect that your friend's Mac came originally with Mountain Lion (so you could refer to that Mac as a Mountain Lion Mac, in a sense, but he has since upgraded to El Capitan, so App Store version 2.1 would be correct for El Capitan.
     
  9. macmacmacr thread starter macrumors member

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    Well I can only state that iI cannot find on Appe site the version of the App store that should be runnning on a Mac OS. wiki states the following

    The Mac App Store on OS X Yosemite

    Developer(s) Apple Inc.
    Initial release January 6, 2011; 5 years ago[1]

    Stable release
    2.2 / June 24, 2016; 4 months ago[2]
    Development status Active
    Operating system OS X Mac OS X Snow Leopard or newer
    Platform Mac
    Type Digital distribution
    Website www.apple.com/osx/apps/app-store/

    this suggest everyone should be running version 2.2 of Mac App store. I see no reason one OS should be running a different version. However you seem to have infomration on the App store version as you stated El Capitan has 2.1. Where is the proof that is the latest App version?
     
  10. DeltaMac macrumors 604

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    I have the same information that anyone with an El Capitan system can see.
    I have a current, up-to-date install of El Capitan.
    I know it is up to date (I just checked again :D ), and the App Store is version number 2.1
    I found that out by looking at the app's information window.

    Of course, it is not the absolute "latest" version.
    As I said, that is dependent on the version of the system that you are running.
    If there are no updates available in App Store, then that's the latest version (for you)
    All OS X systems have their own set of system apps, including the App Store. Higher version numbers (newer versions) come with the newer systems.
    (The wiki page would need a pretty complex chart to show EVERY different version of various parts of each system version, so it's necessarily going to be short on certain kinds of details. But feel free to submit changes and additions to whatever wiki pages that you want to have edited for your own use. I'm not going to do that :D )

    If you really wish to brag about how you have a fully updated system, then the only path to that is an upgrade to the current newest system, which, at the moment, is macOS 10.12.1, Sierra. (I have the current beta 10.12.2, and App Store still remains at version 2.2)
    If you don't want to upgrade to the current macOS system, then some parts of your system will never be the most current versions.
    It's as simple as that!
     
  11. dyn macrumors 68030

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    No it does not suggest that, it says that this is the latest stable release. No more, no less. What you did here is make an incorrect assumption. This is not Apple-special, this is something that applies to all software. Microsoft Office for Mac is at 2016, that is the latest stable version. Does it mean it runs on all OS X versions? Absolutely not! It runs on a select few, usually the 3 latest versions (in this case that would be 10.10, 10.11 and 10.12). The version numbering does not say anything about which OS version is being supported, you need to look it up in the requirements of the software.

    Wikipedia only lists the highest latest version of any piece of software so if you want to know if it runs on your system then you need to visit the developers website and check the requirements.
     
  12. macmacmacr thread starter macrumors member

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    The reason I feel this "App store" version should be stated clearly is its purpose is to provide a portal to Apple application store. I have Yosemite and it has version 2.0 an older operating system Mountain lion has version 2.1 this is confusing not to mention dangerous. If a Mac has the incorrect version for what ever reason of the App store installed this could allow an attack to provide invalid software to a Mac.

    Your points are understood but when it comes to an Application your operating system depends on for receiving updates and software it is unacceptable to not at least be able to confirm the correct version for whatever the Mac OS.
     
  13. dyn macrumors 68030

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    You are worrying about the wrong things here. There are many different ways for getting invalid software on your machine or compromising it, most of which are far easier than the App Store.

    The operating system does not get its updates from the App Store, the App Store is no more than the frontend of it. There is a commandline utility as well. Both pull updates from an URL. Updates and other software in the App Store are signed. You could offer something that has been tampered with but it will be easily spotted due to a difference in the signature. That means you actually have to hack the signature part of Apple. That infrastructure is usually separated (unless your name is Diginotar). And so on. There is far more to the updates than you think.
     
  14. macmacmacr thread starter macrumors member

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    I think your assessment is not correct. You do get your updates through the App Store as well as the command line. Both hide what verification is occurring. If it was a URL I would be able to download and manually verify the files.
     
  15. dyn macrumors 68030

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    Actually, it is not my assessment, it is officially documented by Apple. If you run your own update server (which you can do with OS X Server) you need to change the default URL. The URL is also changed when you join the beta program. Apple has instructions on how to do this as well as how to undo this. If you are like me then you play around with the config and data files. When you do that you'll also see what's actually at that URL.

    That is a wrong assumption. There are different ways of offering the downloads. In this case the URL is just a link to a catalog. The catalog lists which downloads are available and where to find them.
     

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