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App Store Supports Over 830,000 Jobs in UK, Germany, and France, Says Apple

LarxJo said:
Governments should then also remind than the taxes that Apple would pay without evading taxes would support tens of thousands of doctor, help to fight corona, increase public health, education.

Then should also point out that thanks to those taxes, Apple actually exists and can make a lot more money. What does Apple need that is paid by taxes? Engineers and competent employees in general, road and security. So Apple, do as you say to your developer: "Pay for a service without which you would be nothing".
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Get the government to change their tax laws then.
 
MJaP said:
It's called Alegria, and it emerged on Facebook (the embodyment of all that is evil) in 2017 and has been spreading at an alarming rate like a virus ever since. Sad to see Apple is bowing to such awful design fads, both with this and the "neumorphism" (soft skeuomorphism) that they've vommited on some of their most hidious new Big Sur icons.
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Well, that's what you get when you have a CEO who doesn't care about design in any capacity, and instead apes whatever is "trending" with a side of virtue signalling.

I would expect that level of artwork from a DeviantArt newbie, not Apple.
 
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They probably even take garbage collectors into account, because the trash contains Apple packages and gadgets hit by planned obsolescence.
 
If only Apple took more care with how they present the apps on the macOS App Store. It baffles me that they have the same list of educational software listed under two separate 'feature' headers.
to show you what I mean.
 
m.x said:
That number still seems a bit too high. According to Statista, the working population in the UK is 32.350.000. This would roughly mean that every tenth person is connected to the App Store. If you include the market share of iOS (50%), it would mean that every fifth person with an iOS device is working in the iOS App economy...

This argument reminds my of the German car lobbyism. They always say that every 7th or 8th job in Germany is connected to the car industry, when in reality, of a working population of ~45.000.000 people, only around 830.000 people are directly working in the car industry - that's like every 55th employment. The calculation they use includes every connection to a car manufacturer they can find, I would argue that Apple does the same.
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I think your math is a little off.

330.000 out of 32.350.000 isn't 10% but 1%. Which is to say that it would mean one in every hundred employees would be connected to the App Store.

Still sounds a bit high - but not as high as one in every ten employees 🙂

Also; you don't NEED to have an iOS device to develop for the platform, so that logic doesn't really work.
 
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LosLoco said:
I think your math is a little off.

330.000 out of 32.350.000 isn't 10% but 1%. Which is to say that it would mean one in every hundred employees would be connected to the App Store.

Still sounds a bit high - but not as high as one in every ten employees 🙂

Also; you don't NEED to have an iOS device to develop for the platform, so that logic doesn't really work.
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AND, I would like to know how many of these jobs can sustain the monthly dispenses of these devs over a few years.

But yeah jobs marketing B$!
 
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First the Germans now the UK. This is a stupid way of thinking as it’s based on a Fallacy.

Apples is claiming to itself the efforts of others. It’s delusional. Those jobs are created by entrepreneurs, other businesses that Apple does not own or supports in any way whatever. The businesses pay Apple to be able to reach their customer in iOS, not the other way around. What kind of support is that? In fact the one supporting the App Store are these businesses, these people ... not the other way around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This needs to stop! Govs need to shutdown these claims as they are clearly monopolistic.

Expressions such as App Economy and iOS App economy are based on fallacies. Now one reasons in these terms anywhere. No one talks about software economy, digital service economy, Windows economy etc etc. it’s meaningless.

Apple is acting like a self contained Governement detached from anything else in a democratic society. It’s even unconstitutional in many ways.
 
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First the Germans now the UK. This is a stupid way of thinking as it’s based on a Fallacy.

Apples is claiming to itself the efforts of others. It’s delusional.

This needs to stop! Govs need to shutdown these claims as they are clearly monopolistic.
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Any kind of lobbyism should be prohibited by law.
 
Wildkraut said:
Any kind of lobbyism should be prohibited by law.
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Absolutely. Apple is acting like a company above the digital market, above regulations, above current tech infrastructure ... these are hijacking metrics.

It’s immoral. It’s a joke on third party software and digital businesses acting cross platform, both locally and globally.

Pure market perception manipulation.

EDIT: There is a name for the logical fallacy being played deep here.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc: This is a conclusion that assumes that if 'A' occurred after 'B' then 'B' must have caused 'A.' Example:

I drank bottled water and now I am sick, so the water must have made me sick.

Businesses are putting Apps on the App Store. Some businesses are successful, Therefore the App Store it’s the cause of their success.

Case in case. There is no direct evidence that the App Store (B) by itself is the cause of the success of businesses (A) even if they came after. There is only the evidence that businesses pay the App Store / Share Revenue to reach their customers on the smartphone of choice
 
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obamtl said:
I'm curious about how they calculate this, and whether it accounts for alternatives. Sure if there were no native apps on phones, web apps would dominate, and we'd still have many of the services we enjoy, they'd just not be as convenient, so how much of the value add is truly from the app store?
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I think the main difference is the walled garden protects a valuable ecosystem. suspect if there weren’t native apps going through an App Store with a unified payment system then it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as successful (in terms of monetary value). Basing this on the much lower success rate of the Mac App Store.

There is of course the perceived value of the security the App Store brings to iOS but really that’s mostly down to the locked down OS, so I don’t believe the App Store holds much value.

I say this as someone who doesn’t think apple should be the gatekeeper with the App Store, btw.
 
Aeronauts said:
Highly unreliable figures intended try and halt the avalanche of antitrust investigations worldwide.
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Yeah, it sounds like whataboutism to me. I’m thankful that Apple created my job (I love it!) but I don’t see that as a justification for their practices.
 
Nuno Lopes said:
Absolutely. Apple is acting like a company above the digital market, above regulations, above current tech infrastructure ... these are hijacking metrics.

It’s immoral. It’s a joke on third party software and digital businesses acting cross platform, both locally and globally.

Pure market perception manipulation.

EDIT: There is a name for the logical fallacy being played deep here.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc: This is a conclusion that assumes that if 'A' occurred after 'B' then 'B' must have caused 'A.' Example:

I drank bottled water and now I am sick, so the water must have made me sick.

Case in case. There is no direct evidence that the App Store (B) by itself is the cause of the success of businesses (A) even if they came after. There is only the evidence that businesses pay the App Store / Share Revenue to reach their customers on the smartphone of choice
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TIL! Thanks
 
Nuno Lopes said:
Absolutely. Apple is acting like a company above the digital market, above regulations, above current tech infrastructure ... these are hijacking metrics.

It’s immoral. It’s a joke on third party software and digital businesses acting cross platform, both locally and globally.

Pure market perception manipulation.
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Apple is allowed to act in any, way, shape or form within the law. What do you think Epic did to get North Dakota and Arizona to introduce bills against Apple. Right, they hired lobbyists.
 
Apple is clearly scared, & for good reason !

Their complete & total control over the App Marketplace is coming to an end !
 
Gotta wonder what amount of income generated from an app constitutes as "a job". How many $300/year app developers are included in that 330,000? Probably a lot more than apple wants anyone to know.
While obviously some companies are making money of iOS apps, a huge percentage a developers make chump change. They are also included in the 330K
 
LosLoco said:
I think your math is a little off.

330.000 out of 32.350.000 isn't 10% but 1%. Which is to say that it would mean one in every hundred employees would be connected to the App Store.

Still sounds a bit high - but not as high as one in every ten employees 🙂

Also; you don't NEED to have an iOS device to develop for the platform, so that logic doesn't really work.
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You are completely right, 1% is correct. I was a bit distracted when I made that comment, I'll correct it.
You are also right that not everybody needs to have an iOS device, I just wanted to illustrate how high a number of 330.000 people would be in the UK.
 
This is a really difficult one and there will be questions on both sides. I mean exactly what does "supports" 330,000 jobs mean?
 
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