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Appeals Court Rules Apple Was Entitled to Sales Ban on Samsung Products in Earlier Trial
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I applaud you for being drunk before the weekend begins and will follow your excellent example right now. Thank you.
If you were paying attention to UI and the industry, you'd know that most of the stuff that Apple did was not obvious nor easy to do. It's obvious today because they did it really well and everyone copied them. Nobody did 30fps on a mobile device. Nobody had a "real" browser. And nobody had a UI worth anything.
Example: making folders. Did you know that nobody could make folders on mobile devices easily? People came up with lots and lots of ideas on how to make folders once touchscreens came out. Most of them involved a menu of some sort, and most of them sucked. Apple's solution was, and still is, the best and most elegant. It took Apple 3 iOS releases to come up with a way to do it.
"Obvious" isn't really obvious at all. If it was so obvious why hasn't anyone else in human history come up with a way to do it? Why didn't Android/google? Why didn't Nokia? Why didn't Moto?
Answer: because it wasn't obvious at all.
Who did rubber banding at 30fps? Answer: nobody, because no phone could do 30fps before the iPhone. In fact, no phone could even think about doing it, because they didn't have the iPhone's interaction model.
But you know, people don't want to know this stuff. "Patents are bad." "Apple is greedy." "Apple just copies stuff."
This is why industry should almost never listen to the public...or they should only listen to the money. What people say is irrelevant and mostly wrong. What people do is much, much more significant.
These lawsuits started when Samsung was dominating Android. But 2 years later you have have cheap flagships being announced all the time and the Chinese OEM's are ripping off both Apple and Android. To me it's a waste of time.
If I was Apple I would try to make the best phone I can each and every time to justify the price their asking. Because when flagships start to get around $200 to $300 what's Apple's game plan? And to tell you the truth Apple should be lucky that Samsung is still charging $600 to $1000 for their phones. That Moto Pure looks really nice at $400. That phone is fully unlocked with unlockabe bootloader and works on all carriers.
I feel like only a few thousand users are even aware of the Apple vs Samsung cases, an even smaller number care, and even smaller smaller number of users' time is wasted. This is in comparison to the multi-millions of users both companies have.
Apple and Samsung will just always be battling in court and out until Samsung eventually dies as a company.
It must be exhausting for Apple to have to always be putting out these fires. It's like when you had to keep telling your little brother to quit taking your toys over and over again.
It must be exhausting for Apple to have to always be putting out these fires. It's like when you had to keep telling your little brother to quit taking your toys over and over again.
Yes becuase Apple never made any profit off of anything they stole *rolls eyes* .
You fanbois need a good thrashing to make you see past the Macintosh red glasses you wear.
The patents have already been litigated. If the patents were as obviously invalid as you're stating then surely Samsung would have spent some of their millions to put you on the stand to click your link for the jury. Don't confuse how the media refers to the patents ("word completion") with what is actually patented.
There are a lot of bogus patents awarded, no doubt, but the problem they cause is the cost of litigation. Particularly when the two sides of the suit are unbalanced. This one was litigated by two giants with boundless resources, and (some of) the patents stood. I'm sure Samsung fought this vigorously, and the patents themselves stood up under the scrutiny.
The Wright brothers, Edison, Xerox-- whenever you claim that someone invented something there is someone else who will point out that really someone else did and the person you're talking about made a small change and got the glory. Every invention is an incremental improvement on the inventions before it. The argument is about that increment, and it is very often quite tedious. It all sounds trivial to the layman and even more trivial to the technologist because once it is known, it appears obvious. That is why it is important to be first and why patents driving this need to be first drives innovation more broadly.
I also have the feeling that the patent system is fundamentally flawed, but to fix it we need to think deeper than "this is basically the same as that". Everything has a predecessor. The question is how to formalize what is novel in a universal way. Traditionally when it comes down to judgement calls, we typically leave it to the courts and very often juries.
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Really? It was just obvious in 2005?
I'd bet that if you were toiling away for years on a new device, input method, and user interface over a decade ago, you'd never have thought of rubber banding. You'd have made the object scroll to the end and just stop at the edge. After all, every major OS out at the time did (and in most cases, still does) it that exact way.
But rubber banding was just soooooooo obvious, let's just force people to give their inventions away because you obviously saw the future before it ever existed.
Some people are so full of themselves and have no ability to just ignore something or tolerate something that really isn't doing them any injustice or harm. ie "I'm tired of surfing the web, selecting to go to a blog about a specific company, and then seeing 1 post out of 50 every other week that has something to do with a legal battle I don't care about. And then I read it! And then I comment on it too!!! Oh the pain! Oh the agony!.. When will this injustice end?!!! My eyeballs just can't read this crap anymore, so nobody should and these companies should just go away and do what I want them to do".
Skip the damn article F@*kTard
So basically you just keep delaying and appealing until all your infringing products are obsolete anyway and essentially avoid any sales block at all. Nice.
No, millions are aware. it's been in the national press of several countries. Here in the UK a judge ordered Apple to place a public apology to Samsung in the national press even, but that was because Apple chose to effectively stick two fingers up at the original court ruling over one of it's Apple VS Samsung cases.
You need to also realise this has nothing to do with patents. It's Apple blocking it's main competitor from selling it's products in order for Apple to gain more market share, it's business in other words. And I say Apple as I believe they started it all.
It especially doesn't make sense, as it flies in the face of recent rulings about software patent validity, along with some of the same judges reversing their previous rulings just to give Apple a leg up.
It also goes against the idea of a patent infringement's seriousness being related to how much that patent contributes to the whole.
Moreover, this gives ammunition to those who are suing APPLE over little features, as well. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Of note is that the chief judge wrote in her dissent that her fellow appeals court judges were dead wrong.
Etc... read it if you have time.
Just stop them from making those horrible commercials. That's all we really want.
Exactly! I was about to post pretty much the same thing, but see that you've beat me to it. It is so annoying how they can just keep appealing the decision so that by the time it reaches the highest court, they've already benefitted from the blatant copyright infringement. Then it's just rinse and repeat.
I just don't get why IOS people love to claim everything else is ****... have any of you used the GS6? It's way more advanced than the iPhone 6 is every way, the screen alone is a reason to buy one, when you put it side by side to an iPhone 6, it's no contest.
My G/F has an iPhone 6, I had a 5s but I just sold it, I got a Nokia 1020 on Windows Phone and a Galaxy S6, the GS6 is by far my favourite out of them all. I love Android because I can tailor it to how I like, the biggest problem I have with IOS is how I cannot put the Icons where I want, they always auto go to the top left. I just root my phone, get rid of the stuff I don't want, which you cannot do on IOS, then whack a Google Launcher on it, put Widgets on my screen so I can have a nice big weather forecast thing and a thing for emails and news.
It's so nice to have all that stuff, plus I can download torrents and stream them to my TV, use any codec I want, I can view Live Streams because I have Flash Player installed. It has the best camera so far, amazing mics, the storage benchmarked the fastest so far and so you see no slow down.
I think Samsung are doing a good job and Apple are too, but you cannot help but feel frustrated with how slow IOS evolves, the whole UI has changed to this nice looking modern clean design, but we still have the same old dated Icons that you cannot do anything with. Even Windows Phone has Live Tiles and it's not like any of this has an impact on the battery, I get better battery on my two Phones that I did with my 5S and my G/F does with her 6. I used to get 4-5 days on a single charge with the Z1c, that had amazing battery life, Sony do some amazing work there, but they're always top of the charts.
My G/F has an iPhone 6, I had a 5s but I just sold it, I got a Nokia 1020 on Windows Phone and a Galaxy S6, the GS6 is by far my favourite out of them all. I love Android because I can tailor it to how I like, the biggest problem I have with IOS is how I cannot put the Icons where I want, they always auto go to the top left. I just root my phone, get rid of the stuff I don't want, which you cannot do on IOS, then whack a Google Launcher on it, put Widgets on my screen so I can have a nice big weather forecast thing and a thing for emails and news.
It's so nice to have all that stuff, plus I can download torrents and stream them to my TV, use any codec I want, I can view Live Streams because I have Flash Player installed. It has the best camera so far, amazing mics, the storage benchmarked the fastest so far and so you see no slow down.
I think Samsung are doing a good job and Apple are too, but you cannot help but feel frustrated with how slow IOS evolves, the whole UI has changed to this nice looking modern clean design, but we still have the same old dated Icons that you cannot do anything with. Even Windows Phone has Live Tiles and it's not like any of this has an impact on the battery, I get better battery on my two Phones that I did with my 5S and my G/F does with her 6. I used to get 4-5 days on a single charge with the Z1c, that had amazing battery life, Sony do some amazing work there, but they're always top of the charts.
Rubber banding on a smart phone is not an ESSENTIAL function for it to work, its just outright copying to the smallest detail. The fluidness of the UI is the reason I choose iOS, rubber banding being part of the experience, I can still make a phone call and browse the internet without it but its one of the small features I like having. I am pretty sure such a feature wouldn't fit the FRAND and its got nothing to do with standards or essentials. A white charger cable and white box packaging would also not fit FRAND but samsung copies that too.
I suspect what you mean is that you're tired of it. You probably wouldn't even know it was still going on if you didn't read MacRumors.
Honestly, none of this "piddly @** crap" is anyone's business except for Apple and Samsung. If this type of news bothers you, why on earth (truly) would you read and reply to these articles? Your verbal diarrhea is TRULY the stuff that people (who are simply trying to read honest replies that lend to discussion) are tired of.
No, I don't. My statement was implying that you likely wouldn't even know about this if you didn't read MacRumors, or some legal rag. Point being that there's not much press on this anywhere else, and I would venture to bet that 90% of the people you meet on the street tomorrow won't know that this ruling was made.