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The OS is not very relevant, it's totally up to the drive and how well it does garbage collection. Intels have pretty much no firmware GC so their performance will degrade rather quickly without TRIM, even in OS X.

So would this include the Intel 510 drive? I guess it does so again this would be another shout for Apples SSD as with hacked trim support just how reliable is it? The Toshiba's are not too shabby for SATA 2 drives so......
 
So would this include the Intel 510 drive? I guess it does so again this would be another shout for Apples SSD as with hacked trim support just how reliable is it? The Toshiba's are not too shabby for SATA 2 drives so......

I would guess so. It uses Marvell controller but I doubt Intel has paid much attention to GC because Windows 7 supports TRIM and Lion will support TRIM. Not much need for GC then.
 
Interesting. The Apple drive may very well be faster because it's better integrated with the OS somehow.

Out of interest, did you do the tests with TRIM turned on or off?

There's some people saying that turning TRIM on causes beach balls and performance issues, which are resolved when it's turned off. Perhaps your C300 would perform better with TRIM turned off as well?

I tried it both with TRIM enabled, and no TRIM. The only real difference I noticed with TRIM enabled on the C300 was that Safari closed and opened pages slower.
 
My 256GB Apple SSD is made by Toshiba.
Because of your thread I'm returning my unopened C300 and purchasing the Kingston SSDNow V+. The V+ uses the same Toshiba Controller as the Apple SSD. It also performs about the same, maybe a little better. I'll sacrifice a little speed for a little sanity.
 
Well after reading the posts on here and on Apples own support forums, I'm going to get the Apple 256GB SSD when I get the computer later this year. It seems that although the horror story's are true, for me it's not worth the hassle.
I can get away with 256gb and with my discounts I get through work it only costs £368 or $601. Now before you Americans think that's a lot, an Intel 320 300gb SSD in the UK is £420 or $686. So the Apple drive is not too bad value, the Vertex2E is a tiny bit less but has 240gb so IMO it's not bad as in real world it'll be damn faster then an HDD and will work and be covered by Apple.
Now if my shares come in and Apple launch Lion by July/ August I'll be buying and happy.
 
Because of your thread I'm returning my unopened C300 and purchasing the Kingston SSDNow V+. The V+ uses the same Toshiba Controller as the Apple SSD. It also performs about the same, maybe a little better. I'll sacrifice a little speed for a little sanity.

You'll have to let us know how your Kingston SSD works.
 
Me 2 cents..My factory SSD, which seems to be a Toshiba hence the 'TS128' designation runs faster than my OWC Mercury Extreme Pro did in my older MBP...but with that said it isn't a fair comparison given different generations of SATA, chip architecture, RAM speed, and SSD integration. It runs faster than the C300 as well. The non factory ones are statistically faster, but how much they will be in real world use is debated. I didn't see anything spectacularly different as a lot of applications simply will not utilize the full capability that the SSD offers.

With that said, it seems the current SSDs in Apples are 1) NOT SATA3, 2) Built off of 32nm technology, and 3) Not rated as fast nor as reliable as other brands. Now with that said, the 32nm Toshiba SSDs aren't bad and while differences now may be moot, in a few years the faster SSDs may be more worthwhile.

If you get a 128 from Apple, you can't beat the price!
 
My 500GB 7200rpm seems to be fine for now, however I might be interested in getting on in the future though....

Does anyone know if it's possible to purchase the toshiba SDD drives they sell with the macs?

I've tracked down the actual drive they use, but I can't find any place that actually sells it??

Would my local apple store be able to order one in and let me install it?

I really don't like the idea of sending my laptop all the way back to apple in china just to get a SSD installed - kinda crazy IMO. Not to mention I don't place the highest amount of trust in shipping companies with fragile items like expensive laptops.

I don't want to order a second hand one off ebay either.
 
Me 2 cents..My factory SSD, which seems to be a Toshiba hence the 'TS128' designation runs faster than my OWC Mercury Extreme Pro did in my older MBP...but with that said it isn't a fair comparison given different generations of SATA, chip architecture, RAM speed, and SSD integration. It runs faster than the C300 as well. The non factory ones are statistically faster, but how much they will be in real world use is debated. I didn't see anything spectacularly different as a lot of applications simply will not utilize the full capability that the SSD offers.

With that said, it seems the current SSDs in Apples are 1) NOT SATA3, 2) Built off of 32nm technology, and 3) Not rated as fast nor as reliable as other brands. Now with that said, the 32nm Toshiba SSDs aren't bad and while differences now may be moot, in a few years the faster SSDs may be more worthwhile.

If you get a 128 from Apple, you can't beat the price!

I think you'll find Apple's SSD's are very reliable, Apple will have fully tested the Toshiba before buying it, in fact the only horror story's seem to be OCW and OCZ? Intel seem to be the best, but no horror story's about Apple's SSD's.
 
My 500GB 7200rpm seems to be fine for now, however I might be interested in getting on in the future though....

Does anyone know if it's possible to purchase the toshiba SDD drives they sell with the macs?

I've tracked down the actual drive they use, but I can't find any place that actually sells it??

Would my local apple store be able to order one in and let me install it?

I really don't like the idea of sending my laptop all the way back to apple in china just to get a SSD installed - kinda crazy IMO. Not to mention I don't place the highest amount of trust in shipping companies with fragile items like expensive laptops.

I don't want to order a second hand one off ebay either.

THIS.
I would really appreciate if anyone know where to find these. I live in Japan, so I could ask the store manager, but I don't think they make them here.
 
My 500GB 7200rpm seems to be fine for now, however I might be interested in getting on in the future though....

Does anyone know if it's possible to purchase the toshiba SDD drives they sell with the macs?

I've tracked down the actual drive they use, but I can't find any place that actually sells it??

Would my local apple store be able to order one in and let me install it?

I really don't like the idea of sending my laptop all the way back to apple in china just to get a SSD installed - kinda crazy IMO. Not to mention I don't place the highest amount of trust in shipping companies with fragile items like expensive laptops.

I don't want to order a second hand one off ebay either.
If you do a little more research, you'll find the Kingston V+ and V+100 series all use the Toshiba controller, Yes, this is the same controller that Apple uses on their SSD's. The performance differences are almost negligible.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4010/kingston-ssdnow-v-plus-100-review

http://techgage.com/article/kingston_ssdnow_v_series_128gb/
 
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I think you'll find Apple's SSD's are very reliable, Apple will have fully tested the Toshiba before buying it, in fact the only horror story's seem to be OCW and OCZ? Intel seem to be the best, but no horror story's about Apple's SSD's.

OWC's drive came out earlier today...as far as OCZ I wouldn't touch their SSDs with a 10 foot pole, but that's just me. Reliability wise, the flash memory used in some SSDs is 'superior' statistically speaking...although in reality most SSDs will last long past their intended service life.
 
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