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Apple: a company that caves to demands of ATT like a little *****! (FaceTime over 3G)
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It should be illegal to double dip customers on something already paid for.
I pay for gas...Now imagine the gas station attendant asks where are you going so they can charge you an additional fee. Who the hell would tolerate that?
I am on a tiered plan. How I choose to use my tiered data should be my choice. If I go over, I pay a fee, if not, kiss my ass, I already paid you.
I pay for gas...Now imagine the gas station attendant asks where are you going so they can charge you an additional fee. Who the hell would tolerate that?
I am on a tiered plan. How I choose to use my tiered data should be my choice. If I go over, I pay a fee, if not, kiss my ass, I already paid you.
Update: At first I was pissed at AT&T but the more I thought about it the more pissed I got at Apple since they are the ones caving to AT&Ts demand to bake in an alert to the iOS software
Pretty worked up over a rumor. I suppose Apple could stop doing business with AT&T and use their own phone network. Oh, wait...
They're not charging money for using Facetime, the phone is just warning you the beta version is not working yet. Carriers in USA always test major phones and versions of software before releasing a final product. AT&T is just a bit behind the other carriers, but who really cares? it's a beta product. There's plenty of time to go.
Hotspot on the iphone 4 on at&t came out after hotspot on verizon. Maybe it's Apple's fault for not collaborating well?
Hotspot on the iphone 4 on at&t came out after hotspot on verizon. Maybe it's Apple's fault for not collaborating well?
When it comes to bandwidth usage, Apple does what AT&T says. As posted yesterday, Apple told the FCC back in 2009:
“There is a provision in Apple’s agreement with AT&T that obligates Apple not to include functionality in any Apple phone that enables a customer to use AT&T’s cellular network service to originate or terminate a VoIP session without obtaining AT&T’s permission.
Apple honors this obligation, in addition to respecting AT&T’s customer Terms of Service, which, for example, prohibit an AT&T customer from using AT&T’s cellular service to redirect a TV signal to an iPhone.”
When the iPhone came out, it was missing 3G and GPS, and had a crippled Bluetooth stack.
You're thinking of dumbphones. Smartphones were always able to download software and media from both the carrier and outside sources.
The original iPhone didn't even allow third party native apps. When it finally did, Apple had come up with their own dumbphone styled walled garden, the iTunes App Store. They also decide what apps the user is forced into having on their homescreen (e.g. Stocks).
The iPhone was revolutionary for various reasons, but not for being more open or full featured than other smartphones.
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Seems like you're getting all worked up over nothing. If you don't like what AT&T has to offer your solution is a simple one. Stop doing business with AT&T. The few "I hate AT&T so I'm going to throw a tantrum on an Internet site" posts are funny! Are there any real problems in these people's lives? I am thankful that a rumor about a phone company is these people's biggest problem but is the fake anger really worth it? Move on with your lives .
Pretty sure it is in fact illegal, and it's likely why the AT&T guy said it was too early to discuss pricing, because it hasn't dawned on their lawyers yet that the FCC would likely squash this retarded plan.
Personally, I'm like everyone else in that this is typical AT&T behavior.
However, I've NEVER made a Facetime call as it's too restrictive in the fact that:
1. Only iPhones
2. Only WiFi (unless jailbroken)
I've ALWAYS used Tango, as it addresses the two concerns above and has a LOT more features than FaceTime.
So personally, this doesn't affect me BUT if I wanted to I could use FaceTime over 3G as my phone is jailbroken... So how do you like those apples AT&T!?
However, I've NEVER made a Facetime call as it's too restrictive in the fact that:
1. Only iPhones
2. Only WiFi (unless jailbroken)
I've ALWAYS used Tango, as it addresses the two concerns above and has a LOT more features than FaceTime.
So personally, this doesn't affect me BUT if I wanted to I could use FaceTime over 3G as my phone is jailbroken... So how do you like those apples AT&T!?
Update: At first I was pissed at AT&T but the more I thought about it the more pissed I got at Apple since they are the ones caving to AT&Ts demand to bake in an alert to the iOS software
Can someone explain this to me? If you were a greedy SOB company like AT&T is wouldn't you WANT people to use FaceTime over 3G so you could charge them extra when they go over their 2 / 3 GB data limits?
Seems penny wise and pound foolish.
http://www.cultofmac.com/179430/att...s-of-charging-customers-for-facetime-over-3g/
I'm not sure why you are pissed at Apple. Assuming this is how it will be post-beta, what is the alternative from Apple? Should they not show the popup and just allow the user to continue and get hit with the extra charge without warning?
It's the same thing with trying to setup a mobile hotspot.
The FCC put out net neutrality rules, but they're under challenge in court and by Republicans. The basic three rules are:
i. Transparency. Fixed and mobile broadband providers must disclose
the network management practices, performance characteristics, and
terms and conditions of their broadband services;
ii. No blocking. Fixed broadband providers may not block lawful
content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices; mobile
broadband providers may not block lawful Web sites, or block
applications that compete with their voice or video telephony services;
and
iii. No unreasonable discrimination. Fixed broadband providers may
not unreasonably discriminate in transmitting lawful network traffic.
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However, mobile cannot be held to the same levels as wired broadband, so:
"Mobile broadband is at an earlier stage in its development than
fixed broadband and is evolving rapidly. For that and other reasons
discussed below, we conclude that it is appropriate at this time to
take measured steps in this area. Accordingly, we require mobile
broadband providers to comply with the transparency rule, which
includes enforceable disclosure obligations regarding device and
application certification and approval processes; we prohibit providers
from blocking lawful Web sites; and we prohibit providers from blocking
applications that compete with providers' voice and video telephony
services. We will closely monitor the development of the mobile
broadband market and will adjust the framework we adopt in this Order
as appropriate."
Which basically still allows the carriers to manage network traffic. So, VoIP apps should not be blocked, but they could get throttled.
Have you tried that website? It is impossible to complain about something like this. It is great if you want to add a line or have billing questions....