For those of us that didn't vote for him either time. We too say the EU is out of their minds. Governmentally speaking that is.
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Apple Accuses European Commission of 'Political Delay Tactics' Over App Store Changes
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To be fair. Europe has had more fascists leaders than American ever had. Not that we wanted one ever.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
You’re right. The EU backed Apple into a corner and when Apple complied they dragged their feet.
You mean the one, that claims to have ended 8 wars? (Which ones? I dare you to name them.)
The one who demands a peace prize, while bombing Yemen, attacking Venezuela, threatening to take Greenland by force and economic blackmail, sending a "massive fleet" to Iran, and waging war against his own citizens by sending National Guards and ICE?
That's what you call a "sheriff"?
Wow. We must have very different definitions of the word "sheriff" then.
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In other words. Apple's lawyers finally noticed, that by complying maliciously and dragging their feet, they provided additional arguments for the EU Commission's antitrust case. Genius move, Apple 👏.
JungleNYC
macrumors 6502
Why? Because they defend Europe‘s interests? Because they fine US companies that try to take advantage of them by malicious compliance?
The orange demented lunatic will have to learn that Europe is not defenseless, not helpless and not dependent on him.
MEGA!
When observing US Americans debate about EU or Europe on general, it’s quite clear that the US isn't the way it is because Trump is president. He's president because the US is the way it is.
The_Gream
macrumors 6502
Not trying to change topic, but the fact that it doesn’t seem like any of the of leaders of European nations have the spine to stand up and call Trump out on his bluffs, because that is what they are bluffs. Tarriffs only hurt the people of the country that issue them. Trump cannot declare war, that takes an act of congress.
Every side: the EU, Trump, Russia and China are all pretty much saber rattling.
The EU passes one sided laws to curb the US tech, because their own tech sector in most areas failed.
Trump goes about throwing tariffs on anyone and everyone, the only people being hurt by this change are the Americans. China shifted stuff around and actually made more money last year while shipping less to the US, as they invested in other markets.
Putin is just a poor loser, but where did he get his money for his war machine. That came from EU nations and others being dependent on fossil fuels to power and heat their nations. The EU had like 20-30 years to divest from Russian oil. It took what, two invasions of Ukraine before they started cutting ties.?
China has no respect for international law, unless it’s in their favor. If not for the governments and business leaders of the western hemisphere outsourcing their work force to China, the people of China would very much still be living on dirt floors. I was born in the mid 1980s and I don’t think I have seen a single politician or big business person take such a large step against investing in China than Trump. Another thing to remember, this Chinese group is not the same Chinese group that were allies to the Allies in WWII. China was in multiple civil wars when Japan invaded. The Chinese faction the fought Japan our currently refugees in Taiwan.
Ironically, Russia and China both had leaders who tried to move the countries from Communism, and durning those leaders time their countries developed, but now they are back to having dictators. Russia once considered a world power isn’t doing so well, outside of their nuclear deterrent. China is having a massive issue with a birth rates.
If Trump truly cared about brining manufacturing back to the USA, he wouldn’t use tariffs but a tiered tax system based on domestic to foreign product a company sells. Example: A local wood chip company, that uses USA grown wood would pay 10% income tax, while someone like Apple or Walmart who depend on foreign manufacturing, would pay 30-40% income tax.
(Sorry this has gotten rather long)
One of the most scathing, honest, and factual posts I’ve ever seen on MR. I’d give two hearts if I could.
I agree with a lot of your points, but I would like to disagree on the "spine" comment.
"Having a spine" implies being loud, being aggressive. That is - I agree - not what the EU is doing.
But: Take yesterday's talks about Greenland as an example.
The factual outcome is: no military, no more take-over, no more tariffs, but instead agreement on more NATO involvement and a renegotiation of the 1951 Thule Act.
Trump did not get anything he couldn't have had before all this.
So the EU leaders did not "stand up" and "called him out", because they know that this tactic would not work.
Instead they CHARMED him and PLAYED him and STILL let him act like THE BIG MAN in front of the US press.
But in the end, yesterday was a big win for the EU. Don't you agree?
What a US-centred perspective! The usual deeply insulting rubbish that comes from el imperio Yanqui. There are other countries you know. And I wonder how long you have spent in China to be such an authority on the country?
Much longer than you have. I can guarantee it. And considering the US isn’t that old and it’s basically a British colony, it would make it a British-centered perspective 😉
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
Looking at your image:
If you think Chinese EVs are "copying Tesla" these days, I've got news for you.
They've totally lapped any innovation out of Tesla in that space.
The image doesn’t take that into account, unfortunately. They’re the kings of copy but the chinese EV’s are pretty stellar. You’re completely right on that.
The_Gream
macrumors 6502
Thank you.
edit: for others
I remember as a kid those coloring books that had you connect the dots to make an image. Sadly most people now days do not do much in regards to connecting the dots. These dots are all over the place, making up a strong image of human history, but so many people only look at a small part and forget to step back and look at the bigger picture.
I remember a history class that talked about one of the large Mediterranean volcanic eruptions, that could have been the tied to the story of Atlantis. Durning that history class, the teacher explained that there are records in China dating back to that time frame that discussed the fallout from what would appear to be a volcanic eruption.
So MacRumor readers, please stop, step back, take a breath and look at the whole picture before we get into another round of pointless debate that does nothing but elevate our blood pressure.
I feel you 🙂
Nowadays I feel that every debate that goes beyond "A is bad" and "B is evil" is necessary. Too many debates are had without any facts, any fact-checking. I hope that someone reads this and thinks "Well, I did not know that fact. Let's look it up and actually learn something."
If we leave the debate field to TikTok influencers, YouTube Academy graduates and people who are simply repeating what they heard inside their personal echo chamber, we have lost.
And stupidity would have won.
I am not ready yet to give up that fight. 🙂
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BaldiMac
macrumors G3
Only if you subscribe to the very MAGA idea of guilt by association. The US isn't a monolith by any stretch. We'd all do a lot better by rejecting a black and white worldview.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
And are gleefully losing revenue on every car sold unlike Tesla which is making a profit in every car sold.
Sooo... these geniuses, with Sweeney at he helm, kept repeating the lie that iPhone users CRAVE for alternate stores, and they HATE the safety that the App Store provides.
Now we have alternate stores, and guess what? NOBODY CARES.
So, who's to blame? Apple, obviously!
200 IQ, really.
Now we have alternate stores, and guess what? NOBODY CARES.
So, who's to blame? Apple, obviously!
200 IQ, really.
"The EC is using political delay tactics to mislead the public, move the goal posts, and unfairly target an American company with burdensome investigations and onerous fines."
This sounds like an unusually political and nationalist comment rather than the prudent, diplomatic language Apple traditionally uses. The EU is one of Apple's major markets and the company should be careful of the image it portrays in the media. Emphasizing in public that you're an *American* company against *European* authorities isn't the wisest move in Europe, especially given the current situation in transatlantic relations. This, of course, doesn't mean Apple can't speak its mind in private with the EC.
As an EU citizen myself, I love Apple and hope we don't get to a point where I start associating its products and services to certain leaders or ideologies.
This sounds like an unusually political and nationalist comment rather than the prudent, diplomatic language Apple traditionally uses. The EU is one of Apple's major markets and the company should be careful of the image it portrays in the media. Emphasizing in public that you're an *American* company against *European* authorities isn't the wisest move in Europe, especially given the current situation in transatlantic relations. This, of course, doesn't mean Apple can't speak its mind in private with the EC.
As an EU citizen myself, I love Apple and hope we don't get to a point where I start associating its products and services to certain leaders or ideologies.
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There are people in this country that voted for Trump specifically on immigration. I'm willing to bet that most of those voters didn't expect what we got as a solution. They also most likely didn't expect all these on and off again tariffs. Or much of what his "policies" are either. Even knowing how outrageous he can be. They still voted for him, true. When you only have 2 choices, and for whatever reason. Some folks can't bring themselves to ever vote for the other party. This is what you get.
Doesn't mean the EU is right in how they treat US companies.
The comment stems from the fact that the EU treats domestic companies differently than US ones. For example, Spotify. While Meta, Google, and Apple all have to deal with some form of "regulations" that do more harm to the way the company operates than any good for the end user/consumer within the EU. There is no good reason for Apple to be forced to open up its platform to allow any 3rd party store to operate within. And NOT be able to charge what it deems fair for its IP. And the roadblocks and goal post moving by the EU is hiding the fact that they don't want Apple to earn anything for its IP. At least the law in Japan said "THIS" is the price you can charge. A number, something to work with. Rather than arbitrary and round about to then be told "no, we don't like that. Try again, but first. A FINE!!".
So again, like I stated many times before. Get out of the EU. Let them eat cake with Android. Those that want an iPhone. Will order it from another country outside of the EU. Or they will demand that the EU allow Apple to operate as they have been. Or they won't. Either way, the issue is resolved and we can all move on. Apple will find another place to sell its stuff.