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And that's exactly the problem. Can you imagine if Microsoft started enforcing a rule where anything you bought using your Windows PC gave them a 30% cut? If you were to sign up for an Apple Music subscription through iTunes on Windows and were forced to use a special "MS in app payment system." And even if you're listening to it primarily on your phone, or Sonos, or any other platform, Microsoft still gets a 30% cut every single month? It's ridiculous. And that's exactly what Apple is doing here.

I'm fine with them taking a small processing fee if it's handled through their payment system. That makes sense. But 30%? No way.

Let me break it down for you.

iPhone -> App Store -> App
Windows -> app store not needed -> App
Mac -> app store not needed -> App
 
Let me break it down for you.

iPhone -> App Store -> App
Windows -> app store not needed -> App
Mac -> app store not needed -> App

Yes, but also:
IPhone -> App Store-> App that provides service -> Apple not letting app developer tell customers that they can pay the service provider directly for the service, saving both the customer and developer money, causing Apple to earn 30% of a monthly service they have absolutely nothing to do with.

With the Apple model, you could sign up for Netflix on your iPhone, and then only ever watch it on your Roku. But Apple would always and forever get a cut. That's wrong.
 
Yes, but also:
IPhone -> App Store-> App that provides service -> Apple not letting app developer tell customers that they can pay the service provider directly for the service, saving both the customer and developer money, causing Apple to earn 30% of a monthly service they have absolutely nothing to do with.

With the Apple model, you could sign up for Netflix on your iPhone, and then only ever watch it on your Roku. But Apple would always and forever get a cut. That's wrong.

Then don't buy it through the App Store. Problem solved.
 
akash.nu said:
I've never heard about Apple paying the carriers a percentage of the AppStore revenue.

I don't know, but remember Apple did give Cingular an exclusive platform. They most definitely gave AT&T some kind of bonus. Nowadays, I don't know, I'm sure Apple has to pay to sell on carriers a small fee even so Apple is getting the great end of the business.
 
Interesting, Spotify has managed to update its app on the iPhone without using App Store.
The app's UI has changed (Your Music, Radio, Search... buttons are now at the bottom of the screen), so there has definitely been an update, but no such thing in App Store's update log.
 
There is a simple solution to all of this. Apple allow us to install apps that are not distributed through the app store. Apple can keeps its requirements for apps distributed through it's store, Spotify has the option to remove it's app if it no longer wants to give Apple money.

This solution also presents plenty of other opportunities. Such as installing open source apps, that I don't have to compile myself with XCode.
 
There is a simple solution to all of this. Apple allow us to install apps that are not distributed through the app store. Apple can keeps its requirements for apps distributed through it's store, Spotify has the option to remove it's app if it no longer wants to give Apple money.

This solution also presents plenty of other opportunities. Such as installing open source apps, that I don't have to compile myself with XCode.

No, they don't need to make piracy even easier for people who feel developers don't deserve to be paid for their work.
 
No, they don't need to make piracy even easier for people who feel developers don't deserve to be paid for their work.
Couldn't agree more. I just don't get the mindset of some people. Do people really think development of brilliant apps is a piece of cake?
 
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Couldn't agree more. I just don't get the mindset of some people. Do people really think development of brilliant apps is a piece of cake?

do you honestly believe that sideloading is exclusively for piracy? what a naive viewpoint.
 
do you honestly believe that sideloading is exclusively for piracy? what a naive viewpoint.

Not exclusive, but there's a reason why iOS has 20% of the market and a majority of sales in terms of apps while very few are paying for anything on Android.
 
Not exclusive, but there's a reason why iOS has 20% of the market and a majority of sales in terms of apps while very few are paying for anything on Android.

you're jumping to conclusions that aren't there.

the business models between playstore and iOS app store are different. you cannot equate profitability of one store v the other due to something simple like "piracy"

Especially when it is known quantity that Play store apps' tend to focus more on free for user, with advertising, versus their iOS counterparts.

Dont ty to defend an unreasonable assertion by making illogical leaps to conclusions
 
you're jumping to conclusions that aren't there.

the business models between playstore and iOS app store are different. you cannot equate profitability of one store v the other due to something simple like "piracy"

Especially when it is known quantity that Play store apps' tend to focus more on free for user, with advertising, versus their iOS counterparts.

Dont ty to defend an unreasonable assertion by making illogical leaps to conclusions

They're free with ads because that's the only way they'll make any money. Don't pretend otherwise. Don't pretend Android developers wouldn't charge if they thought it would work. But it won't. Because as soon as they charge, a whole lot of people will just pick up an apk from the web and call it a day.
 
They're free with ads because that's the only way they'll make any money. Don't pretend otherwise. Don't pretend Android developers wouldn't charge if they thought it would work. But it won't. Because as soon as they charge, a whole lot of people will just pick up an apk from the web and call it a day.

thats pathologically false and nothing but your own conjecture.

I say this as a payer of Android Apps and iOS apps
 
Its actually statistically proven that android users don't like to pay for apps and therefore the income stream from the play store is generally less than that of the AppStore. Count me in the same pile.
 
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thats pathologically false and nothing but your own conjecture.

I say this as a payer of Android Apps and iOS apps

You're in a minority. Do you really think app developers would want a lower form of income? Advertising can't make as much as a straight up normal paid app would.
 
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You're in a minority. Do you really think app developers would want a lower form of income? Advertising can't make as much as a straight up normal paid app would.
I agree with this. Unless one have millions of users, adverts are just waste of space. I've read an awesome article the other day that says - "Users have won, adverts failed."
 
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Interesting, Spotify has managed to update its app on the iPhone without using App Store.
The app's UI has changed (Your Music, Radio, Search... buttons are now at the bottom of the screen), so there has definitely been an update, but no such thing in App Store's update log.
There are smart "HTML" per say tricks developers can use to rearrange interface and even content on the fly to not have to wait for an approval. This doesn't use iOS frameworks so unless they do something so invasive it is a great trick for devs.
 
Man what’s with all the Epic Gameses and Spotifys these days? Don’t they see how unattractive they look? Like the guy in his raised Dodge Ram riding solo in the carpool lane during rush hour. Or the kid elbow-deep in the cookie jar with chocolate all over his Kool-Aid-stained face. Or the Pomeranian who you find sprawled on your bed amid the contents of your down comforter and its bladder.
 
Thread necromancy is a dark art and should not be practiced lightly.

Woah. Brotha. How’d this article find its way into my 2022? And thank you for time traveling from 2016 to tell me!

Crazy thing is I remember this article and it does not feel like it was from six years ago.
 
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