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I feel many would share his thoughts.
As they wish Apple for focus on what they are, or SHOULD BE good at, and stop trying to be something else that others are best at.

Without Steve Jobs, the complete lack of direction, vision and focus is starting to show in lots of areas.
 
I'd watch the elephant one if I didn't have a feeling it's unbelievably sad.

Yea, I can't watch most documentaries featuring elephants anymore. Knowing how intelligent they are and that they love to end those documentaries in tragedy. Really any documentary focusing on one animal like following the life of a wolf pup. You know how it's going to end.

Really, I don't like watching any documentary where they go into gory detail of animals killing each other. Yes, lions kill wildebeests. That's life. I'm not interested in watching it struggle in vain for 10 minutes or killer whales playing volleyball with a seal. I don't mind when they show predators at their peak doing a quick surgical strike. Even worse are documentaries which follow an injured animal for days or weeks as it slowly starves to death or succumbs to its injuries. What kind of sick person can do that?

I prefer to stick with documentaries which focus on the life cycle and habits of animals. Informative non-emotional pieces.
 
Yea, I can't watch most documentaries featuring elephants anymore. Knowing how intelligent they are and that they love to end those documentaries in tragedy. Really any documentary focusing on one animal like following the life of a wolf pup. You know how it's going to end.

Really, I don't like watching any documentary where they go into gory detail of animals killing each other. Yes, lions kill wildebeests. That's life. I'm not interested in watching it struggle in vain for 10 minutes or killer whales playing volleyball with a seal. I don't mind when they show predators at their peak doing a quick surgical strike. Even worse are documentaries which follow an injured animal for days or weeks as it slowly starves to death or succumbs to its injuries. What kind of sick person can do that?

I prefer to stick with documentaries which focus on the life cycle and habits of animals. Informative non-emotional pieces.

Indeed.
If wildlife film makers decided to make a show about humans, all they would do it film us eating something, having sex and going to the toilet.
It's why I don't watch those shows as it's just justification for some sick people to enjoy seeing something get killed under the "It's just nature" get out statement.

Yes, dumb ass, we know lions kill things for food, as do many many other animals, but do we always need to shown that whenever making a film about them?
 
Are you serious, you’d rather Apple made mainstream content choices as opposed to making great art? How can a service be great or stand out if it’s not willing the make difficult choices? Playing it safe and going for generic choices is the surest way to produce rubbish art. And on the talent front, Cartoon’s Saloons films are original, brilliant, and even Oscar winning.
I'm curious. What makes you think "great art" is a part of Apple's goal with this new service? Certainly can't be anything they've done thus far in this endeavor. One could easily argue that everything they've done has been about mainstream content. It's the smart play. If everything we heard is true, Apple is going to offer a streaming service. That service will succeed or fail based on the number of mainstream customers it attracts. Apple is trying to create a new revenue stream, not the second coming of Masterpiece Theater. It's a nice, high-minded ideal - making great art. Pretty sure that ain't Apple's goal here. An addition revenue stream? You betcha.
 
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Sadly Apple's lack of leadership has had tremendous spillover costs. I think when viewed in a historical context it will be quite damning. Under Cook's leadership Apple went in the direction of moving the industry towards throw-away devices at the time when processor speeds and storage costs would have enable far greater lifetime use. The costs of this are quite notable with respect to huge increases in mining and CO2 emissions. These spillover costs are not weighed adequately notably in the "shareholder value" equation hence real tough corporate leadership was needed to recognize them. Some guy posted a very good page about how Apple's $1T valuation came partially through failed cables, keyboard, batteries, etc. It was a bit of hyperbole, but is still symbolic of what Tim & Co. has wrought. Everyone will argue it's what consumers want, how Apple's stock price has multiplied, etc. But the fact remains, imho, that Apple at the time of Steve's passing was is a position to affect how consumers and shareholders think. Rather than spend a historic ~$1Tillion buying back stock, boosting share price, making Warren and Tim exceedingly rich (the former simply moreso), they could have devised ways to extend the life of products, diminished the affects of the mining and transportation needed to support a new avalanche of products every calendar year. Who knows what was perhaps one of the most innovative companies could have created had they taken the more difficult path, the one less traveled if you will.

The reason great companies exist is to solve hard problems by doing hardwork. Apple isnt doing enough hard work these days, and trying to buy into the media business. It isnt Apples job to produce any content, unless Apple can do a better job than Netflix. Instead of getting good content from the best providers Apple is trying to do that, reminding itself of the iTunes music days. I think it is alright to let go of that revenue because the space has changed a lot. Focus on new streams, most importantly Gaming. Apple is loosing one battle after the other in that space inspite of having a lead in terms of hardware in the mobile space. Almost every new platform is winning in gaming, Apple didnt do a good of in Mobility gaming and a new product like Switch is taking over that space with yester years IP. Tim isnt choosing the right battles and i am little sad.
 
Meh....Does anyone seriously give a poop? If so, get a life! Apple TV has and will remain useless and pathetic. My Gen 3 Apple TV has been collecting dust on a shelf for years while my Roku and Fire TV units get used rather often. As far as books, I bought one iBook years ago just to see what is was like, but the few hundred eBooks I've bought have come from Amazon because Amazon understood how to build a real digital bookstore while Apple just piddled on itself. I love my iPhones, iPads, and Macs, but Apple really doesn't understand TV, books, music, or much else about services, so I don't use any of their services, ever....
 
does anyone really care about shows that most people won't watch?

not even sub'd to apple music.

spotify's algorithms are far superior.


It's Sunday morning. Please take your trolling elsewhere until at least noon.
[doublepost=1536508752][/doublepost]It's amazing that how many posters have no idea how the media industry works. Apple is already a major player in the video streaming business --it's called iTunes, and they bring in BILLIONS in revenue from movies and TV shows. It's all about money. There's nothing unique about any of the major players. Netflix, Amazon, Google, Sony, etc., and now Apple are all DOING EXACTLY THE SAME TWO THINGs--

1) They license video content that has already been produced. Most content isn't worth paying for exclusivity, that's why most content is available from all the streaming services. Some content is deemed worth having an exclusive license, such as the elephant documentary in this article. That's what Netflix did with one of their first big hits: House of Cards. Netflix didn't even have the international rights to distribute House of Cards.

2) They go out and hire producers and directors to create "original" content directly for them. Again, they are all doing the exact same thing with the exact same talent pool that they are bidding against each other for. They are all deep pockets with the exception of Netflix who is the most vulnerable going forward as they are uniquely poorly positioned in the bidding war as they are facing fastly rising costs with limited ability to raise subscription costs, which is their only source of income in contrast to Apple, Amazon and Google, and now Disney.

People don't realize that Apple is already ahead of where Netflix was. Five years ago, Netflix had less than a dozen "original content" shows and now they have over a thousand. It's silly to suggest that Apple won't be a major player. In creating this new Video Streaming Service they have hired some of the top people in the industry from Sony, Amazon, etc., with proven records for bringing forth great shows such as Breaking Bad.
 
Here comes the video content experts in MR comments. I feel the butterfly keyboards are a disaster on all fronts, too, but that does not give me the right to review shows based purely on what I heard they were about. There are many great shows and films which sound awful conceptually. At this point you guys are just glass is half empty personalities.
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Are you serious, you’d rather Apple made mainstream content choices as opposed to making great art? How can a service be great or stand out if it’s not willing the make difficult choices? Playing it safe and going for generic choices is the surest way to produce rubbish art. And on the talent front, Cartoon’s Saloons films are original, brilliant, and even Oscar winning.

Yes I think they need to start with mainstream content to bring in the subscribers and then work on the arty/niche genres if that’s what they want to do.

I’m sure those choices are good films but at first glance it doesn’t seem commercial enough to me.

I love the Netflix and amazon original content and I hope Apple are able to do similar in addition to licensing the usual programming from the major studios
 
I’m sure a lot of good people are doing a lot of their best work to make these shows, but I wonder if the market will support another subscription streaming service, with silo’d content, and under a computer company brand.

Or maybe I’m just sour because Apples Videos app has demoted my film collection to an afterthought, is inexplicably more excited about railroading me into old obsolete TV services, and doesn’t seem to have even heard of Netflix. Given how clear their vision was regarding music, it always seemed to me Apple never knew quite what to do with video, and still doesn’t.

ON the ther hand, if Apple were to build an actual educational “channel”, a nonfiction stream of nature films, math, & the natural sciences, that might be a quality service to consider, since every other service on every other platform is all competing trying to sell trash and stupidity. My gods I watched cable tv last weekend, and every show was written for idiots. Watching the mindless junk that now fills the history channel, the discovery channel, the learning channel, etc, was a parade of pure garbage, plus a hundred of the same damn hero’s journey stories.

In the vein of 321 Contact, Nova, Newton’s Apple, etc. Hire photographers and make every shot beautiful and compelling, offer it with an alternate instrumental-only audio track, proofread your subtitles, and absolutely clean up on the vacant “quality” end of the market.

This. So much this.

When I was in high school, PBS had "Mechanical Universe," which taught basic physics and calculus, using animated graphics to develop the equations. It was absolutely stellar.

You can still watch it on Caltech's YouTube channel.
 
I kinda feel bad for anyone who signs an exclusive deal with Apple. So far their track record has not been good when it comes to Apple backed/exclusive content. I'd want to make darn sure I had an escape clause to pull back my content if/when things don't work out.
 
It's Sunday morning. Please take your trolling elsewhere until at least noon.
[doublepost=1536508752][/doublepost]It's amazing that how many posters have no idea how the media industry works. Apple is already a major player in the video streaming business --it's called iTunes, and they bring in BILLIONS in revenue from movies and TV shows. It's all about money. There's nothing unique about any of the major players. Netflix, Amazon, Google, Sony, etc., and now Apple are all DOING EXACTLY THE SAME TWO THINGs--

1) They license video content that has already been produced. Most content isn't worth paying for exclusivity, that's why most content is available from all the streaming services. Some content is deemed worth having an exclusive license, such as the elephant documentary in this article. That's what Netflix did with one of their first big hits: House of Cards. Netflix didn't even have the international rights to distribute House of Cards.

2) They go out and hire producers and directors to create "original" content directly for them. Again, they are all doing the exact same thing with the exact same talent pool that they are bidding against each other for. They are all deep pockets with the exception of Netflix who is the most vulnerable going forward as they are uniquely poorly positioned in the bidding war as they are facing fastly rising costs with limited ability to raise subscription costs, which is their only source of income in contrast to Apple, Amazon and Google, and now Disney.

People don't realize that Apple is already ahead of where Netflix was. Five years ago, Netflix had less than a dozen "original content" shows and now they have over a thousand. It's silly to suggest that Apple won't be a major player. In creating this new Video Streaming Service they have hired some of the top people in the industry from Sony, Amazon, etc., with proven records for bringing forth great shows such as Breaking Bad.

iTunes is just a TVOD service though. It's not really the same as the other SVOD services.

Breaking Bad is a really good show, but you are forgetting that Apple's brand identity is similar to Disney in that they are very careful on what type of content they will have on their platform.

In order for Apple to be a major player for several reasons, I think they have to address the following:

1. They are not ubiquitous in streaming. Will they have the right content and an app to start to allow people to consume on a Roku, Android, or a SmartTV platform? There are some significant technical challenges that they will encounter when it comes to integrating with 3rd party platforms.
2. Hiring "top people in the industry" is never a guarantee. If anything, it creates buzz. The audience cares more about the content itself and less about who is producing.
3. Will Apple's identity get in the way of them procuring/producing content that people would be interested in? Their track record thus far hasn't been adequate.
 
Netflix was never a good buy for Apple. But neither is what they're doing now. I'd rather see them buy (if they must) WB or something along with DC universe. Start small with a sci fi/fantasy genre.

Apple would need to buy AT&T to get WB or DC Universe since AT&T bought Time Warner, Inc.
 
Let's see, content with substance ... nah, few will watch it (Apple, what are you thinking?). Apple needs to find some zombies and reality TV. /s I really shouldn't comment, though, since I don't watch TV at all and take in fewer than half a dozen movies a year. People behaving badly is about all there is in the media, these days.
 
Yeah. It makes perfect sense to start "small" with a genre that has the highest production costs (when done right)...

That is Apple though. They don’t start big. Do something right and build on it slowly. However I’m on board with none of the above. None of this is good for Apple. They don’t need it.
 
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Apple would need to buy AT&T to get WB or DC Universe since AT&T bought Time Warner, Inc.

It was up for grabs as many others. Apple did nothing. I’d rather Apple keep doing nothing to be honest as this isn’t their wheelhouse. It seems they’re pressured to bring in additional revenue streams and there’s no Jobs to figure out innovative ways.

Netflix and others need as many screens possible. They’re on every platform. Apple wants this just for them? It’s already going to struggle. Is anyone willing to pay the Apple tax for the garbage they’ve already signed? Not me.

I did buy DC because it includes more than video. And I don’t usually do that. Even Netflix is starting to lose its appeal with me. I’m not really sure what Apple could offer to get me to bite. None of their signings interest me.
 
This will all end badly for Apple is it's not their core competency. They should be partnering with Netflix to make that service the most awesomeness of goodness possible. Most people only have time for one video streaming service and it isn't the one starting with the letter 'A'.
 
I kinda feel bad for anyone who signs an exclusive deal with Apple. So far their track record has not been good when it comes to Apple backed/exclusive content. I'd want to make darn sure I had an escape clause to pull back my content if/when things don't work out.


LOL. "Track record." They've only had two shows, one of which, Carpool Karaoke has been a hit and was renewed for a second season. Their music videos have been enormously successful, such that Spotify has tried to copy it and the major music labels have gotten concerned.
 
does anyone really care about shows that most people won't watch?

not even sub'd to apple music.

spotify's algorithms are far superior.
Keep on telling that to yourself.
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These both seem really poor choices and not mainstream enough. I’m sure they are great films but I wouldn’t sign up to their services for films like that.

They really need to be copying the Netflix model on original content. Also they seem to be going for all family friendly stuff at the moment. They need to be picking up more adult shows like orange is the new black and man in high castle etc.

It’s early days but hopefully they have that as part of their strategy.
OITNB is a terrible show. Total stinker.
 
This Apple streaming service is an exercise in hubris. It will fail. They need to stick to making hardware and selling it a premium.

Yes and there isn't a moat around it, just like there isn't one around Amazon Video, or Netflix. And it doesn't scale globally. For the same amount of money, they could have invested into Gaming, making a Game console. 75% of their App Store revenue are already from gaming. PC Gaming and Console Gaming are still growing rapidly. If they want a 30% cut to increase their services revenue, gaming is an much better option than TV.
 
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Sadly Apple's lack of leadership has had tremendous spillover costs. I think when viewed in a historical context it will be quite damning. Under Cook's leadership Apple went in the direction of moving the industry towards throw-away devices at the time when processor speeds and storage costs would have enable far greater lifetime use. The costs of this are quite notable with respect to huge increases in mining and CO2 emissions. These spillover costs are not weighed adequately notably in the "shareholder value" equation hence real tough corporate leadership was needed to recognize them. Some guy posted a very good page about how Apple's $1T valuation came partially through failed cables, keyboard, batteries, etc. It was a bit of hyperbole, but is still symbolic of what Tim & Co. has wrought. Everyone will argue it's what consumers want, how Apple's stock price has multiplied, etc. But the fact remains, imho, that Apple at the time of Steve's passing was is a position to affect how consumers and shareholders think. Rather than spend a historic ~$1Tillion buying back stock, boosting share price, making Warren and Tim exceedingly rich (the former simply moreso), they could have devised ways to extend the life of products, diminished the affects of the mining and transportation needed to support a new avalanche of products every calendar year. Who knows what was perhaps one of the most innovative companies could have created had they taken the more difficult path, the one less traveled if you will.
Glass backsides while there are 1000s of better materials -
Mediocre battery life - depleting the planet’s lithium reserve despite all the bla about conserving the planet.
Coal, oil and gasheated stores in the EU despite being 100% green.
Mostly white males on the board despite diversity claims.
Duh...Cookette business.
 
This Apple streaming service is an exercise in hubris. It will fail. They need to stick to making hardware and selling it a premium.


LOL. You are calling for Apple to "stick to making hardware" when their services revenue is by itself now one of the Fortune 100 companies bringing in over $60 BILLION dollars a year. You can't make this stuff up folks.
 
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LOL. You are calling for Apple to "stick to making hardware" when their services revenue is by itself now one of the Fortune 100 companies brining in over $60 BILLION dollars a year. You can't make this stuff up folks.

They wouldn’t have services without the hardware. Anyone can pipe in music and video. That is all cloud based.What matters is the eco-system. Keep up.
 
Glass backsides while there are 1000s of better materials -
Mediocre battery life - depleting the planet’s lithium reserve despite all the bla about conserving the planet.
Coal, oil and gasheated stores in the EU despite being 100% green.
Mostly white males on the board despite diversity claims.
Duh...Cookette business.
Racist much against white people?
 
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