I don't think Apple has to worry anout that. Hop Stop would automatically put Apple at the top of the transit map heap IMO.
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I don't think Apple has to worry anout that. Hop Stop would automatically put Apple at the top of the transit map heap IMO.
Yelp is another problem, probably really good in the US, in the UK you might as well read the tea leaves in your cup. Unfortunately Apple Maps will need at least another 5 years to work properly in the UK at this rate. For general directions it works very well, but ask for a cinema and it will send you to a laser eye surgery place (not a joke, but a fact). And the Cinema De Lux Bristol is apparently in Birmingham for some reason.
Yeah in a deal like this, it's usually complementary. They solve specific issues Apple face. Apple give them enough resources and support to realize their vision. They are less constrained by the challenges a small company faces.
In the Map case, Google's business model is too limited. Apple will be hampered by they privacy policies. As the platform holder, Apple may need a more open Map architecture, rather than a monolithic implementation. Apple need a healthy location-based ecosystem vis-a-vis FourSquare, Yelp, Google Map, and many many others in different countries. In some countries, the mapping companies have to be state owned. Google will never be better than them anyway. You have to work through these organizations.
Yes, you can have the best of both worlds on iOS. :-D
Choose whichever one you like best.
It's 2013 now.
You mean something like this in 2013 ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-23331456
I believe in one of the Android releases, they also wiped out the month of December. Their calendar year ended in November for a short period. They had to release a patch to fix it. Hey, it's okay too.
Google was number 1, and if they try to play punk on iOS, they may/will go to number 2 or lower. That's competition.
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But that is the point ! With Locationary, Apple can partner with local Yelp variants to jumpstart more effectively.
Different countries have their own "Yelp" sites. China have their own, UK may have your own too.
Apple's approach and business model are different from Google's. They will have different strengths and weaknesses.
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At least the island was there to begin with (just disappeared as a bug
)Apple's Map had incorrect 1st grade geography from beta well into release.
The difference between Google and Apple here is simple. Google has thousands of people dedicated to this one task alone.
Apple doesn't even have 100. They just throw dollars in every direction and mash everything together in desperation.
It is what it is ? Companies make mistakes.
At least the island was there to begin with (just disappeared as a bug
Apple's Map had incorrect 1st grade geography from beta well into release.
Excuses in 2013. After (as you put it) what 8 years and thousands of people dedicated to this one task alone ?
Maps is a complex problem. Google's thousands of people include contractors. You don't need them from day one. You need them at different stages of the project. At this point, Apple may have thousands of people worldwide improving Maps in different countries too.
Nokia and Google spent billions buying Maps companies, and mash them together. Google still forgot about the island of Jura in 2013. Why rush ? Desparate ? *shrug*
Translation: I can offer no rebuttal and have absolutely no idea what im talking about.
Oh you don't have to admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
I forgive you.
What are you talking about? Android was complete crap in the face of the much superior ios, now they're equal. Apple maps has very similar origins and will one day also catch up. The only thing keeping you blind from that is misguided fanboyism. Yawn but why am I wasting my time on you? I've already call you on your b.s, you have no real rebuttal, so conversation over.
At least the island was there to begin with (just disappeared as a bug
Apple's Map had incorrect 1st grade geography from beta well into release.
The difference between Google and Apple here is simple. Google has thousands of people dedicated to this one task alone.
Apple doesn't even have 100. They just throw dollars in every direction and mash everything together in desperation.
Failure like Google TV,
Failure like Nexus Q,
Failure like Motorola,
I'll even throw Glass in there as a failure.
Compared to Google, Apple is the bastion of smooth operations.
They are like man and woman. They will never be equal. But they can have different strengths and weaknesses. e.g., Android is fragmented, weak in security and many low end hardware sucks, but iOS is closed and some may find the hardware expensive.
The Newton
The Pippin
The Mac Clones
Apple's various services outside of iTunes (ping, iDisc, et al)
Yeah. They've hardly got a spotless record.
Android is not equal; certainly not even equal amongst its own OEM's and carriers
Different, usable, maybe even better for some, but not equal.
At least the island was there to begin with (just disappeared as a bug
Apple's Map had incorrect 1st grade geography from beta well into release.
The difference between Google and Apple here is simple. Google has thousands of people dedicated to this one task alone.
Apple doesn't even have 100. They just throw dollars in every direction and mash everything together in desperation.
Really, show me even one statistic to support that claim. There's no reason to believe you on a word you say, you've already shown you're making stuff up. Why did I expect anything more? You know the difference between Google and Apple? One's a hardware company, the other is a search company. Both bought and patented other companies and ideas (google more so no way would they have been able to produce android, maps without buying other companies).
Spamdroids (Apple whiners- Do not use Apple maps if you do not like it.
To rest of you, use whatever is best for your needs.
IMO more people will switch from Google to Apple maps in future. Apple has nothing to lose here. More the improvements many will be using them!
Thermonuclear on Google will start the day Apple enters "Search" area in a huge way
Apple should at least start putting up one of the best team for "search" area. Let the leaks begin and let Tim Cook says its a HOBBY zzzzzzzzzzz It will be fun to watch!
- Do not use Apple maps if you do not like it. To rest of you, use whatever is best for your needs.
IMO more people will switch from Google to Apple maps in future. Apple has nothing to lose here. More the improvements many will be using them!
Thermonuclear on Google will start the day Apple enters "Search" area in a huge way
Apple should at least start putting up one of the best team for "search" area. Let the leaks begin and let Tim Cook says its a HOBBY zzzzzzzzzzz It will be fun to watch!
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The old Apple management definitely sucked. The new management is much better.
Their biggest weakness today is web services. Hope they continue to work on it.
I gave only a few instances in just the last year for Google and this is the best you can do?
Two of those Apple failures are from twenty years ago or more.
Edit: In the time it took to edit a response, yet another example of a 20 year old failure was added.
I'm telling you, those examples aren't going to keep me up at night.
So in other words, you agree with me that Apple Maps currently sucks. Thanks, try again.
Five years from now Apple will be where Google is at today - think Google will stand still? The CEO of Apple agrees with me by the way, I have yet to see a single person address his apology which encouraged people to use other peoples products instead.
This has absolutely nothing to do with what anybody is talking about.
Does it matter? My point stills stands, I'm not about to enter a debate about which one is better for what reasons, the point is they are essentially the main competitors and are head to head. Tech and services improve is all I'm trying to say.
Yes, also Apple need to polish iOS7 more. The underlying concept and idea is impressive, different from other mobile OSes on the market. But they need time to polish it.
Yap. Fundamentally, they are very different species.
Google Maps also sucks sometimes. Some of my friends refuse to use both Google Maps and Apple Map.
5 years from now, Apple should be better than where Google is at today. :-D
They are designed differently and have different philosophy.
Who says google is improving? A lot of people don't like the recent turn Google has taken with their maps. Apple Maps doesn't suck for me. It's great for my city. They've improved a lot, and will be able to catch up to google just as google caught up to ios. News like these last two threads shows a much greater effort on this project and how it will advance a lot now.
Sure.
http://www.webpronews.com/google-maps-has-7100-employees-working-on-it-2012-09
How many at Apple? Well considering they had only a handful of openings and had to ask their own retail staff to submit corrections out of desperation.....
They are giving cameras to people who scale mountains and natural landscapes while they map them while Apple is still trying to get 2nd grade geography correct. Not to mention interiors.
And your list only includes on real failure. The Google TV
The Nexus Q was more an experiment that was quickly taken off the market.
Motorola's acquisition might not have served them in court nearly as well as they would've liked, but it has given them access to tons of nice patents and technologies.
Google Glass? Why are you even counting this as a failure? It's not even out yet. Might as well call Google's self driving car an embarrassing mistake while you're at it. Show your bias.
I might've had to reach far back into the past for my list, but yours is nothing more than biased BS.
Those 7000 people include contractors that they have let go since then. Apple hired some of them to help with Apple Map now.
For mountains and landscapes, they are generated with satellite images, "flyover" airplanes, and human effort (professional cartographers). Store employees should help in Map *especially* after they have incorporated Locationary. These services are crowd sourced after all. Someone should jumpstart it. Other Apple users, including myself, will contribute too.
Your complain on Apple Map's 2nd grade geography seem to be in 2012. Let it go. Google makes mistakes in 2013 too, despite all your raves.