Apple Adding iPad 2 to Vintage and Obsolete Products List on April 30

[Gogeta-Blue]

1. You can still use the iPad. This just means that Apple will no longer offer repairs for hardware and software that it doesn’t work with anymore. What honorable death are you referring to? They no longer produce the hardware in the iPad 2.
2. You’re talking about patches for the Macs that need to modify the OS in order to work on old hardware. This causes potential issues specifically the models you are referring to which do not have Metal capable graphics cards needed to run newer Mojave applications under Apple’s upcoming cross-platform UIKit. The developer of that single file (whom I known and talked with a few times) should have given documentation on how that works and why it was deemed necessary for Apple to drop it in the first place. It wasn’t planned obsolescence because it is quite obvious why that hardware was not suppose to run Mojave. It is also guaranteed that once the whole OS drops OpenGL for metal in the next few versions, those machines will not be able to make it past the boot screen (no exceptions, no patches unless you know anyone capable of rewriting kernels, Frameworks, and Kernel Extensions).
3. Enjoy your hackintosh

Heard Crickets

what i was trying to say or explain is that apple kills his own hardware on purpose just to force users to buy new hardware, i can run mojave on a 775 motherboard with metal support, perfectly fine at a very good speed for such old hardware, so why newer macs, can’t? simple answer, because apple doesn’t want to, i don’t own a 775 motherboard anymore, i moved on from that platform eons ago, crickets right back at you lol, now seriously, eventually every hardware is going to reach it’s limit point but 5 years is way too soon or too early, sorry but that is totally unacceptable, that is like telling me that an x99 can’t run w10, an x99 can run mac os flawlessly, i have a x299 hackintosh because i got tired if waiting for apple to release a new mac pro, they are still selling the 2013 model, ironically is not obsolete to sell it at such a outrageous price, fir such old and obsolete hardware based in apple 5 years obsolete rule

i respect your opinion but i disagree
i know that you also disagree with me
no problem but honestly there is no point on defending apple in this one

also they way the build their not upgradable computers doesn’t help, at least you can upgrade some parts on a pc and have better performance , if the person doesn’t want to buy a new pc

i heard that some of the latest imacs come with a 5400 rpm mechanical drive

cmon apple really, not even a cheap ssd

 

[JetTester]

I'm surprised it took this long to obsolete it. My original iPad has been a brick for years now. I used it for reading books till the Kindle app passed it by. Then I just chucked it. How un-green of me...

 

[MoreRumors?]

I turned mine in last month and got a gift card. Surprisingly, the battery was still very good but everything ran awfully slow.

 

[B4U]

Funny thing is, the iPad 3 was vintage before iPad 2.
Still kind of upset what Apple did with iPad 3.

 

[nordique]

My cousin in San Fran *still* uses this to FaceTime us haha
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Yeah I do have a really good idea, actually. My original iPad has 256MB and the tabs would reload in Safari all the time. This was helped on the iPad. Furthermore, you could actually do some work in drawing apps because you could have layers. The 256MB on the original iPad was taken up almost entirely by the OS. Why are you just making stuff up? I'll just assume you never actually owned these devices. The extra RAM on the iPad 2 was a breath of fresh air and a massive boost to productivity on the iPad at the time. Nowadays you kids have no idea what the struggle was like on the original hardware, lol.

Haha good days eh
That original iPad was long in the tooth at the time too. I remember there being a hooplah about it shipping with 256mb ram

iPad 2 was amazing at the time though, ran fan beautiful did everything you threw at it and was a superior experience outside of resolution vs the "iPad with Retina" thanks to the underwhelming A5X

 

[pweicks]

i really hate this move by apple, i understand that it gets to a point that the device can’t be supported any more because the hardware will be old and obsolete, then it it will run the latest software very slow, or it might not run at all, but at least let the hardware have a honorable death instead if just killing it because it reach certain age, apple strategy forcing people to upgrade and buy new devices, mean while you can install mojave even on a core 2 duo and run it at a considerable acceptable speed, if you use an SSD , yes the core 2 duo can be nirmally use up to High Sierra but by only using one file from High Sierra ob Mojave you can run mojave on a core 2 duo and that CPU is more than 10 years old, so how can a 5 year old pc or device can be obsolete, they don’t even try or test fir compability, they simply discard the device, add it to the black list list, call it a day and let just wait untill our beloved apple fans buy new devices

you guys can clap now

is all right Tim i already have the latest Mac Pro, one that i build myself, worth every penny, fully upgradable with water cooling

I agree with the idea of Apple being greedy, but... you do realize this iPad model is eight years old, right? I don’t think this deserves complaints about Apple forcing you to upgrade when they’ve allowed you to use the same iPad for eight years. No other consumer electronics device manufacturer offers service that good.

 

[djgamble]

I always find the term a bit odd and deceptive.

For example, circa 2012 I was advised that my December 2006 was a 'vintage' Mac so they couldn't repair the GPU (I assumed the GPU-related crashes were all in the software as they came and went after about 2 years of usage). I sent it to some guy in the USA who installed a new GPU for like ~$150 and the lappie's still in use.

The iPad 2 was discontinued in 2014. Their rule seems to be that 5 year old devices are 'vintage'. IMO this is pretty tough because they charge a premium for their goods. Is 5 years REALLY vintage?

I mean sure if I brought my Newton i to an Apple store and asked for support they'd be like 'dude we don't have a Keyspan ADB to USB adaptor, an ADB cable, compatible drivers...etc, we'd need an emulator to run our software/diagnostics tools and even if we could cobble that all together there's absolutely no way we could source parts for it!! This is an obsolete, vintage Apple product... you can probably get $500 for the shell alone on ebay and buy yourself an iPad... or... heard of Usenet? There's a Usenet group that's a little like a vintage car club... the fanatics will have a way of resurrecting your Newton... I heard you can install a massive h/d, a heap of RAM, a CPU that's 100x faster, a USB port, WiFi, Bluetooth and a modern battery if you really want'.

A 5 year old iPad though? The thing can run modern apps, surf the web, sync with modern Macs and it's probably not very hard to source parts for one. IMO there should be a way for people to get support/repairs for 5 year old devices without being told 'oooh that's vintage/obsolete' as if absolutely nobody uses them and parts are impossible to source.

 

[Yvan256]

Still using my iPad 2, which was given to me by a friend about a year ago, and I'm extremely happy with it.
It's a lot faster than my iPhone 4.

 

[udontno]

I can't imagine. I pulled 10 of them from an office 2 years ago and they couldn't believe how much faster and lighter their 9.7 pro replacements were. Even with the otterbox defender cases on them.

They are so heavy. We currently have about 100 kindergarteners in our school and some of our SPED students are using iPad 2s... poor kindergarteners have NO patience for them. We have five kindergarten classes and three of the kindergarten teachers are older and not the most tech savvy, so I see a kid a least two times a week who usually needs me to get him on the wifi or something is hung up and they need a hard reset. Hopefully I won't have as many interruptions next year.

It's terrible though because for some of them, when their iPad is acting up and everyone else in the class is working happily... well let's just say it is the end of the world. The ones in the hands of some of our more challenging students seem to have the most issues. It's like a curse.

Oddly appropriate that I'm reading/replying to this on my original iPad Air. It's still great for tasks that are not CPU/graphics/RAM intensive.

I'm hoping I can snag a couple of newer ones somehow. We are in the midst of establishing a good update cycle. First and fifth grade will get new iPads each year, with them taking their iPads with them to the next grade. There's some shuffling of devices amongst the other grades until we get a good system. Hopefully something can get lost in the shuffle and end up with me. ;-)

 

[Wanted797]

Ah I remember wanting this as my first iPad.

Having a iPhone 4 I wanted retina and waited for the 3. Sort of wished it didn’t wait.

 

[EugW]

iOS 9 killed the iPad 2.

Even my kindergarten-aged son didn’t want to use the iPad 2 with iOS 9, because it was so slow.

 

[AxiomaticRubric]

The iPad 2 still has decent value just for the sheer number of apps that were never updated for later versions of iOS.

Too, the batteries in these things just won’t die.

 

[EugW]

The iPad 2 still has decent value just for the sheer number of apps that were never updated for later versions of iOS.

Too, the batteries in these things just won’t die.

I gave my iPad 2 with iOS 9.3.5 to our cleaning lady earlier this year. Basically, that iPad with iOS 9.3.5 can't multitask cuz it's too slow and may crash if you ask too much of it. 512 MB And A5 just doesn't cut it in 2019.

 

[C DM]

I'm surprised it took this long to obsolete it. My original iPad has been a brick for years now. I used it for reading books till the Kindle app passed it by. Then I just chucked it. How un-green of me...

It was great when Target offered something like $250 trade-in credit for the original iPad a few years back.

 

[frank4]

Still have an iPad 2, I just use it when my iPad Air is not handy. Good for light web surfing but some websites slow it down hugely due to all the ads or whatever they jam onto those sites (Yahoo, CNBC).

I still have an iPod Touch 2 (almost 11 years old), amazed that it can still AirPlay music to my Apple TV.

 

[Gogeta-Blue]

I agree with the idea of Apple being greedy, but... you do realize this iPad model is eight years old, right? I don’t think this deserves complaints about Apple forcing you to upgrade when they’ve allowed you to use the same iPad for eight years. No other consumer electronics device manufacturer offers service that good.

exactly my point that for bring this up, because that is what I was trying to say, this is an eight years old device, so it lived it's live , granted but why killed other devices earlier , like 5 years, that is what I was complaining about , about the 5 year obsolete rule, I think is not right, that is way too early a 5 year old device can still perform, even more if the person do some upgrades but is a bit harder on the Mac side because of what apple does, but if the person can at least change the hard drive for a ssd or a m.2 and can also increase the ram capacity and speed then the device can last a little longer, that was my complaint about the 5 years obsolete rule, 8 years I think is fair

regards

 

[rluvbeach]

i will always remember the ipad fondly, its a great device

 

[pweicks]

exactly my point that for bring this up, because that is what I was trying to say, this is an eight years old device, so it lived it's live , granted but why killed other devices earlier , like 5 years, that is what I was complaining about , about the 5 year obsolete rule, I think is not right, that is way too early a 5 year old device can still perform, even more if the person do some upgrades but is a bit harder on the Mac side because of what apple does, but if the person can at least change the hard drive for a ssd or a m.2 and can also increase the ram capacity and speed then the device can last a little longer, that was my complaint about the 5 years obsolete rule, 8 years I think is fair

regards

Your comment doesn’t make sense.

Regards

 

[Gogeta-Blue]

Your comment doesn’t make sense.

Regards

why it doesn’t, 5 years is way to little, 8 years is a bit more reasonable, but to put things into perpective ir to try to give you a better example to see if you can understand me better, a core 2 duo is over 10 years old, i don’t remember exactly right now, i will have to look it up later but it can be close to 15, and you can still run windows 10 with 8 gigs ddr2 ram, 4 modules x 2 gb sticks and ssd and a goid video card and it run at a reasonable good speed but apple can only support a device up to 5 years, i think 10 years is very good, 8 is not that bad, but 5 years is way too little, i hope this one make senses

cheers

 

[pweicks]

why it doesn’t, 5 years is way to little, 8 years is a bit more reasonable, but to put things into perpective ir to try to give you a better example to see if you can understand me better, a core 2 duo is over 10 years old, i don’t remember exactly right now, i will have to look it up later but it can be close to 15, and you can still run windows 10 with 8 gigs ddr2 ram, 4 modules x 2 gb sticks and ssd and a goid video card and it run at a reasonable good speed but apple can only support a device up to 5 years, i think 10 years is very good, 8 is not that bad, but 5 years is way too little, i hope this one make senses

cheers

Try using complete sentences.

Cheers

 

[I7guy]

why it doesn’t, 5 years is way to little, 8 years is a bit more reasonable, but to put things into perpective ir to try to give you a better example to see if you can understand me better, a core 2 duo is over 10 years old, i don’t remember exactly right now, i will have to look it up later but it can be close to 15, and you can still run windows 10 with 8 gigs ddr2 ram, 4 modules x 2 gb sticks and ssd and a goid video card and it run at a reasonable good speed but apple can only support a device up to 5 years, i think 10 years is very good, 8 is not that bad, but 5 years is way too little, i hope this one make senses

cheers

Devices over 5 years still get app updates. My computer hardware is only supported for one year. How many years does Samsung actively support its products?

5 years is plenty for a device that can literally be abused for the time it’s owned.

Oh, and my iPad 2. Rip.

 

[Gogeta-Blue]

Devices over 5 years still get app updates. My computer hardware is only supported for one year. How many years does Samsung actively support its products?

5 years is plenty for a device that can literally be abused for the time it’s owned.

Oh, and my iPad 2. Rip.

no problem, I respect your opinion and maybe you are right and maybe i'm wrong
but an x99 is around 5 years old and still a hell of a system, today
I think the difference comes when someone buys or build and average pc
since is average form the beginning, it might not be that fast right from the moment the person builded or bought it
those might get obsolete fast but an extreme system might still have some juice left even after 5 years
an x99 can run windows 10 at full speed and can also be use as a hackintosh

it might be even faster than the Macs that apple sells today, with the exception of the iMac Pro
I do respect your option but I think 5 years is way too early

if we are talking about a few hundreds dollars then no problem
but spending thousands just for a few years, I mean I'm not poor or rich but c'mon
my last build was 7,000 just for the tower and is only a few months old

but everyone has different opinions and point of view
I think the reason why apple does it, is for the same reason that they do almost everything
and that is money

I upgrade when I feel that my system is not as fast as it used to be, because a new os came out and is way to much for my pc, or I have the money to upgrade but not because some company is trying to forced me to update by using those kind of cheap moves and tactics

lol

regards

 

[I7guy]

no problem, I respect your opinion and maybe you are right and maybe i'm wrong
but an x99 is around 5 years old and still a hell of a system, today

You are correct and I agree with you. However the design philosophy of an wintel box (being it can be plugged in, has a cooling fan etc) is different than a mobile phone who is designed for long battery life first. The lifespan is longer. However I was referring to the how long the actual hardware is supported. Microsoft as we know has at least a 10 year lifespan on it's software.

I think the difference comes when someone buys or build and average pc
since is average form the beginning, it might not be that fast right from the moment the person builded or bought it
those might get obsolete fast but an extreme system might still have some juice left even after 5 years
an x99 can run windows 10 at full speed and can also be use as a hackintosh

it might be even faster than the Macs that apple sells today, with the exception of the iMac Pro
I do respect your option but I think 5 years is way too early

if we are talking about a few hundreds dollars then no problem
but spending thousands just for a few years, I mean I'm not poor or rich but c'mon
my last build was 7,000 just for the tower and is only a few months old

but everyone has different opinions and point of view
I think the reason why apple does it, is for the same reason that they do almost everything
and that is money

I upgrade when I feel that my system is not as fast as it used to be, because a new os came out and is way to much for my pc, or I have the money to upgrade but not because some company is trying to forced me to update by using those kind of cheap moves and tactics

lol

regards

I agree. However, phones from 5 years ago, still have enough life left in them. Its' that apple chooses not to support them. If the 6 year old 5s can run ios 12, than it can run ios 13.

 

[Gogeta-Blue]

You are correct and I agree with you. However the design philosophy of an wintel box (being it can be plugged in, has a cooling fan etc) is different than a mobile phone who is designed for long battery life first. The lifespan is longer. However I was referring to the how long the actual hardware is supported. Microsoft as we know has at least a 10 year lifespan on it's software.


I agree. However, phones from 5 years ago, still have enough life left in them. Its' that apple chooses not to support them. If the 6 year old 5s can run ios 12, than it can run ios 13.

it seems we got to the bottom of this
I swear I was going to mentioned this yesterday
but I came home very tired from work and I really didn't want to write too much
so I guess we both can agree that there is a difference when it comes to desktop computers vs mobil devices
so yes a device like an iPhone, 5 years I think is more than enough
but up to recently my wife was using her iPhone 4s

I gave her my 5s that still support this current version of iOS and I got myself a 6s
the 4s I gave it to a friend who didn't have money for a phone

I'm not really an iPhone lover, I use them like regular phones, just to make phone calls
yes I browse the web some times when I'm not home, check my email, sent text messages etc
but once I'm home I put the phone to the side and use my computer

I also have a 2017 iPad that I use as a screen for my phantom pro drone
so as you can see I'm more like a computer person
but we finally reached an agreement, 5 years for devices might be enough
how ever for desktop computer, 5 years is not enough, unless the person buy cheap computers every 5 years

one final note
I don't like big phones, I was going to buy a pair of iPhones SE but apple discontinue them
they came back for a while after iPhone sales dropped in china
but at that time I had already order my unlocked 6s

some devices are just lucky and has escape the wrath of apple
that 5s is one of them, still running strong



regards