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Moving goalposts isn't cool. Is the argument of yours that financing is terrible, even at 0% (which is what you said) or is it iPads are massively overpriced? I agree 100% on the latter, but what about the former?

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Goalposts are not moved (don't automatically assume someone is in bad faith, that's not cool).

We are just talking about it from different angles.
(lots of ways to look at something).

Financing a device ties you into buying at elevated MSRP and cell plan prices.
That's my argument against it, even at 0% and even if one can "afford it".
 
Talking to the wrong person here.

These are all massively overpriced at MSRP (which is what you're buying at), to say nothing of the ridiculous Cellular upcharge (ridiculous in 2026 at least) and the cellular plans one will be forced to accept (also overpriced vs options).

I'm an advocate for preowned Apple gear only (basically).


To address your point, though:

If you can pay it off in time it's a fine deal. But these setups are also predatory against people who aren't good with money and don't realize they have a financial time bomb ticking down behind the curtain.
You don't have a choice but to pay it off in time -- each monthly payment is added to your monthly cellular bill. Payments each month are required. It's not just left up to you to forget about it then have a giant balloon payment to deal with in 36 months.
 
It's funny how people look at 0% stuff and don't see the whole picture.

They are making money off of it/you one way or another or they wouldn't be doing it.

Just "think" about the possible ways .. and then know there are even some others not being realized.
 
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Called it. This is why the iPhone price increases won’t have as much impact as some people think. Apple and the carriers will do 36 month financing to keep the monthly cost low and people will still buy them. Most don’t care about the total cost. It’s the same reason they were able to get away with selling $1000+ iPhones when the standard used to be $649.
 
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Financing an iPad or any item at 0% APR can be a reasonable financial move, assuming there aren’t cheaper places to buy for cash, as you can earn investment/interest returns on the cash that would've otherwise gone towards the full purchase price. 0% APR is essentially "free" money in that sense.

Imagine if three years ago someone had financed a $1,399 device for three years at 0% APR and used the $1,399, that would’ve otherwise gone to the full purchase price, to buy Apple stock. Today, assuming they made the payments, they'd have a paid off device plus Apple stock worth nearly $2,400. 🙂
I understand where you are coming from. However, the problem is that when you agree to the 0% financing, you are beholden to the financing company for 36 months (in this example), unless you pay the device off early. And this will probably not be the only thing financed during that window of time, in a many cases. A lot can happen in that time, and if for some reason your financial situation goes south and you cannot make a payment, and you end up getting a 30-day late hit on your credit report (or worse), your credit will take a massive hit that will last for several years. Outside of my home loan, which will be paid off in another two years, I don't finance anything. I realize not everyone can do what I do, but a lot of people get trapped into these 0% financing offers with the mindset of "well, it's 0% interest and I can afford these small monthly payments" and the next thing they know, they're in more debt than they can handle.
 
Apple can blacklist it so idk I believe people would pay it off or they will lose their phone service permanently on it. It’s different than a MacBook because iPhone is needed as an everyday tool and without service it’s useless outside one’s bedroom.
You're showing your age, nobody NEEDs an iPhone let alone a new one, however it has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with people getting loans/financing regardless of credit score. While credit scores and the need for them are debatable, people will surely ruin their financial lives even more if they're allowed to go unchecked and consume. Financial discipline is at all time lows, especially in the US, and people are literally filing bankruptcy for things like auto loans which are at all time highs. Instead of education, we're just extending terms leading to a false sense of security.

Lots more I could rant about but the slope is very slippery right now.
 
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If making money is the goal, they should have not made payments on a device (even at 0%) and just kept buying the stock.

We're obviously talking about the goal of buying the device. If someone doesn't want/need the device then paying cash versus financing becomes irrelevant.

My point was that financing a purchase can be a reasonable financial move. Plenty of people who can easily afford to buy a particular item for cash still finance when the APR is lower than what they can get from investment/interest returns.
 
but a lot of people get trapped into these 0% financing offers with the mindset of "well, it's 0% interest and I can afford these small monthly payments" and the next thing they know, they're in more debt than they can handle.

Exactly.

It's borderline shocking to see how little thought or planning goes into it beyond "I can afford X payment right now, at time of purchase".

It also helps the Apples and Carriers of the world conceal high prices for things.

It's the same shtick pulled at car dealerships where they try to get you thinking about "what payment you can afford" and not paying attention to how you're overpaying overall.
 
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Goalposts are not moved (don't automatically assume someone is in bad faith, that's not cool).

We are just talking about it from different angles.
(lots of ways to look at something).

Financing a device ties you into buying at elevated MSRP and cell plan prices.
That's my argument against it, even at 0% and even if one can "afford it".
Did you notice your post I replied to? It was (from you) "And we wonder why so many people are financially upside down (in the US anyways).".

Now you're going on about MSRP, and how iPads and cell plans are overpriced (which I do agree with). So, yes, you changed the topic.
 
I understand where you are coming from. However, the problem is that when you agree to the 0% financing, you are beholden to the financing company for 36 months (in this example), unless you pay the device off early. And this will probably not be the only thing financed during that window of time, in a many cases. A lot can happen in that time, and if for some reason your financial situation goes south and you cannot make a payment, and you end up getting a 30-day late hit on your credit report (or worse), your credit will take a massive hit that will last for several years. Outside of my home loan, which will be paid off in another two years, I don't finance anything. I realize not everyone can do what I do, but a lot of people get trapped into these 0% financing offers with the mindset of "well, it's 0% interest and I can afford these small monthly payments" and the next thing they know, they're in more debt than they can handle.

If someone can't afford to pay cash for the item then perhaps they shouldn't finance it. However, that doesn't mean people who can afford to pay cash shouldn't finance or that financing is a bad thing. My point was simply that financing a purchase can be a reasonable financial move. Plenty of people who can easily afford to pay cash still finance when the APR is lower than what they can get from investment/interest returns.
 
If someone can't afford to pay cash for the item then perhaps they shouldn't finance it. However, that doesn't mean people who can afford to pay cash shouldn't finance or that financing is a bad thing. My point was simply that financing a purchase can be a reasonable financial move. Plenty of people who can easily afford to pay cash still finance when the APR is lower than what they can get from investment/interest returns.
Right, but I don't know anyone who can comfortably pay cash for things like an iPad who would finance one, even at 0%, and have their credit get hit with an inquiry and be locked into a contract for up to 36 months on top of it. I'm not saying these people aren't out there, but I've never met one.
 
Right, but I don't know anyone who can comfortably pay cash for things like an iPad who would finance one, even at 0%, and have their credit get hit with an inquiry and be locked into a contract for up to 36 months on top of it. I'm not saying these people aren't out there, but I've never met one.

Me either.
All the doctors and lawyers in my family just go buy stuff outright, whatever the price.
 
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They are going to need to extend financing offers on all products with these ridiculous prices to avoid a precipitous drop in sales.
BestBuy is offering their members right now 36 month zero percent financing, even on items that are marked down on sale. I just have a hard time seeing what is bad about taking advantage of someone else's money for 3 years for free, especially in these times (in the US).
 
Forgot to add the carrier monthly fees that they are trying to lock you in. Sure can cancel but will demand payment in full which will scare or force people to stay.

Thank you 👆

Glad to see some others picking up on this.

The financing may be 0%, but it locks you into payments based upon inflated MSRPs and/or overpriced cellular plan options.

They make a lot of money doing financing deals, in lots of different ways.
They wouldn't offer the financing if it wasn't a cash cow.
 
I hope Apple allows everyone to be able to finance without needing a carrier right away and I hope for when the iPhones release we all can be approved for financing regardless of credit score.
That's a terrible idea. That's how the housing market collapsed in 2007/2008. The banks loaned money to anyone, even people who couldn't afford the loans.
 
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I can get it for cellular plans you need a cell phone for your iPhone.. so it makes sense.. pay in installments and usually with the iPhone I gotten $1,000 back I just can't get a new phone for 32 months.. at this rate.. im ok with it.. ill prob keep this one for a while. But an iPad and I have had cellular iPads I usually use the service maybe once a month.. usually I just use my iPhone and tether it. I did have an iPad on Verizon and my phone on at&t this guaranteed me service no matter the location I was at. Lately that has changed and AT&T and Verizon both suck..
 
It's a 36 month, interest-free purchase. After 36 months, you've spent the same amount as if you bought it outright.

Now with people who can't afford $2000 out of pocket all at once, how is it bad?
For people who don't blink twice spending $2000 all at once, put that $2000 in an interest bearing account or invest it, make the zero interest payments for 36 months, and you wind up making money, yes?
Plus time value of money. I just financed a 17 Pro which I could have paid in full. It’s a no brainer at 0% interest.
 
Right, but I don't know anyone who can comfortably pay cash for things like an iPad who would finance one, even at 0%, and have their credit get hit with an inquiry and be locked into a contract for up to 36 months on top of it. I'm not saying these people aren't out there, but I've never met one.

Whether you know anyone or not doesn't mean it's wrong to finance even if you can easily afford to pay cash. Some people, for example, simply don't like having payments but that's a personal preference and not necessarily a wise financial choice. As far as credit/credit hit concerns, not having (recent) loan history can potentially be a bigger issue if someone was eventually looking to finance a large(r) purchase.

If your cash is earning more (after taxes) than what the finance charge/costs would be then it can make more sense (and cents) to finance than pay cash.
 
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