Still using this machine with 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD and Mac OS Sonoma installed using OCLP. Great machine.
You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. None whatsoever.Well said, @blazerunner .
Tim Cook doesn't care about consumers. He cares about shareholders.
Soldered RAM and soldered SSDs are very anti-consumer.
Steve Jobs was a jerk to some of his family members, employees, and business associates, but at least he was pro-consumer. Under Jobs, Apple had some of the highest profit margins in the industry, which was not great for consumers, but at least the products he sold offered consumers a lot of value in terms of functionality. What makes Cook so awful is that raised those profit margins substantially while simultaneously offering consumers much less value in terms of functionality.
That’s why they only had 3 hours of battery life 😂It's crazy how much of the internal footprint used to be taken up by an optical drive!
To me, true innovation with the M chip generation would have been for Apple to raise performance AS WELL AS maintain RAM and internal SSD upgradability for customers.I have no problem with them soldering RAM, heck if they can have the RAM as part of SOC, it would be amazing. I will take performance over upgradability for Laptops. If I want upgradability I will buy a workstation, like my AMD/Nvidia workstation. Best of both worlds, capable compact MBP and an upgradable workstation.
In a dream scenario yes, but can’t have both ways yet, RAM is already packaged for Unified Memory. Just hoping the Unified RAM can fit in to SOC or Apple increases the Cache. My AMD workstation with 4090 has 128 GB RAM, but it runs out of GPU memory, which is limited to 24 GB. My MBP with 64 GB unified memory doesn’t. Apple just need to keep improving the GPU and memory they can support. My next MBP upgrade will probably be M5, hoping RAM support of 256 GB.To me, true innovation with the M chip generation would have been for Apple to raise performance AS WELL AS maintain RAM and internal SSD upgradability for customers.
Until this year, all laptops that feature LPDDR (low power) RAM had to have it soldered directly to the main board close to the processor - that was part of the speed and power saving, longer busses with plugs and sockets take more power. LPDDR was only available as surface-mount chips. Machines that took standard DIMM modules had to be larger and use more power,Soldering the RAM to the motherboard after that was a giant middle finger to the consumer and force them to buy whole new laptops instead of a simple small upgrade. You just can't respect Apple for that... their 'environmentally friendly' claims are complete garbage.
That was the last truly upgradeable laptop. Soldering the RAM to the motherboard after that was a giant middle finger to the consumer and force them to buy whole new laptops instead of a simple small upgrade. You just can't respect Apple for that... their 'environmentally friendly' claims are complete garbage.
That said, pro-consumer policies don't concern Apple which is why they're now worth 3 trillion dollars... by ripping off consumers. Nice.
Same, though I bought my 2009 new. Kept it going for 8 years with a memory and SSD upgrade... It sounds crazy now to think about opening up any MacBook and "replacing parts..."
It still sits in the closet as the one non-gaming-console optical drive in the house, "just in case." What strikes me most about it, 3 MBAs and an rMBP later, is that 4.7 lbs is A LOT. Those original unibodies were tanks.
It's really kinda surprising, when you consider the power and speed increases over the last decade, and how we think of those increases as meaning exponential increases in performance. If you don't think too hard about it, it seems like one of these machines from 2012 must have been about as powerful as a wristwatch and should barely have been able to even run much less run anything intensive. And then you fire one up, and launch Logic, open some old project, and there it goes, doing the job just fine without a hiccup. And it's a practically worthless throwaway computer.
A big part of it seems to be that the farther back you go running older OSes, the more they couldn't afford to be so cavalier consuming hardware resources with a million background services.
In a dream scenario yes, but can’t have both ways yet, RAM is already packaged for Unified Memory. Just hoping the Unified RAM can fit in to SOC or Apple increases the Cache. My AMD workstation with 4090 has 128 GB RAM, but it runs out of GPU memory, which is limited to 24 GB. My MBP with 64 GB unified memory doesn’t. Apple just need to keep improving the GPU and memory they can support. My next MBP upgrade will probably be M5, hoping RAM support of 256 GB.
2012 MBP 13" ended macOS Support with Catalina 18 months ago on July 20, 2022.
I'd replace it with
- 2022 MBA 13" M2 released Jun 2022
- 2023 MBP 14" M3 released Oct 2023
Hoping Apple will consider CAMM2 replaceable memory module in the future.
May be for you it is idiotic, but for me having 128 GB RAM in a workstation and running out of memory with 24 GB GPU is stupid. I will take unified memory any day than spending on a GPU more than my MBP to get more than 24 GB. Apple isn’t going back on unified memory, that’s their big differentiator going forward with so much compute on GPU. If you need upgradability Apple isn’t the choice, though I have love hate experience with my AMD/Nvidia. I prefer upgradability in workstation. Pick what is important."Unified memory" is idiotic. The tiny incremental speed gain is in no way worth the loss of being able to upgrade the RAM.
If you're a geek you can have a computer 2x its age keep running on the latest macOS or Windows.
It'll run Sonoma. Official OS support means less than nothing.
people think CDs are dead, but I see them used daily in health care. Or maybe the places are I go to are outdated.
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people used to think Apple was crazy to be obsessed with making things smaller and thinner.
More likely your health care facility wants to enjoy the savings associated with obsolete & low-end hardware.people think CDs are dead, but I see them used daily in health care. Or maybe the places are I go to are outdated.
I went through four versions of this from 2009 until the last (mid 2012 version) that I bought in 2016 and used until summer 2023, finally replacing it with an M2 Pro. The ability to swap out the data drive and RAM were what made it worth keeping going with; plus it was basically bulletproof.Best (so-far) computer that I ever owned. Used it as my main and only computer from 2012 to mid 2020.
We'll see if my M1 Air holds out that long. I hope so!