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Apple Adds Shared Photo Streams and VIP Mail to iPhone 3GS with iOS 6 Beta 3
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iOS 6 compatible with iPhone 3Gs.
iCloud incompatible with Snow Leopard.
Nothing to say.
It was not a comparison. I was trying to point out how strange Apple's priorities in my opinion are. A 2009 released iPhone 3Gs is able to run the latest mobile OS of Apple while Snow Leopard, which is for most people still the best OS so far (including me), is missing iCloud support, even after Apple forced every MobileMe user to iCloud. And what disappoints me even more is that MS Vista supports it. Indeed, iCloud support in Snow Leopard could be possible and delivered via an update, but Apple doesn't do it and I don't get the reason.
My iPad 1 32GB-WiFi was the first and last iPad I will ever buy. Updating it to iOS 5 pretty much made it a worthless device. Safari would crash every time I used it, and no more than 1 tab could be opened. Music app would never work. And no, this is not an exaggeration. I sold the iPad at a great loss, considering the $650+$200 in accessories, and gave up IPADS and future IPHONES FOR LIFE.
A lot of people are still waiting on a fix to their iPad 1's performance, and not only has apple ignored these people, they have decided to kill a device that is only 2 years old. Apple's hardware is the minimal bare to run the current version of the software being released, thus forcing updates the next cycle. When the iPad 1 was out with 256MB of RAM, android tablets were coming out with 1GB. It took 3 iterations of the iPad to reach 1GB. 5 iPhone iterations to reach 1GB ram. Not only is apple doing this with IOS, but also with Mac OS X by dropping support from macs that are only 3 years old.
I find it hard to drop Mac OS X for windows, especially with devs finding ways to install Mountain Lion on older hardware, but giving up IOS is a no brainer.
A lot of people are still waiting on a fix to their iPad 1's performance, and not only has apple ignored these people, they have decided to kill a device that is only 2 years old. Apple's hardware is the minimal bare to run the current version of the software being released, thus forcing updates the next cycle. When the iPad 1 was out with 256MB of RAM, android tablets were coming out with 1GB. It took 3 iterations of the iPad to reach 1GB. 5 iPhone iterations to reach 1GB ram. Not only is apple doing this with IOS, but also with Mac OS X by dropping support from macs that are only 3 years old.
I find it hard to drop Mac OS X for windows, especially with devs finding ways to install Mountain Lion on older hardware, but giving up IOS is a no brainer.
I passed my first gen iPad on to one of my sisters, but it's still running fine on iOS5.
Drop 3GS will make adapt rate of iOS6 looks like Android4.x. That's reason why Apple give 3GS very limited iOS6 feature. IMO, it's a tricky marketing move to compare adapt rate between iOS and Android, since not all iOS device have full feature of iOS. i-device might as fragmentation as Android has on second thought.
Apple don't mock windows pc for fragmentation. So they won't mind to drop OSX support of 3years old Mac.
Apple is getting bigger and stronger as company nowadays. They do thing way different from many years ago when they were still trying to please their customers. That's somehow painful. But we have to face it, not defend it.
Apple don't mock windows pc for fragmentation. So they won't mind to drop OSX support of 3years old Mac.
Apple is getting bigger and stronger as company nowadays. They do thing way different from many years ago when they were still trying to please their customers. That's somehow painful. But we have to face it, not defend it.
Okay... so why does 3GS get support in iOS6 and iPad gen 1 gets nothing? That's just silly as the iPad can take on the 3GS fairly handily from a performance perspective.
Folks...iPad isn't powerful enough
Many times this has been mentioned, but the iPad isn't PROPORTIONALLY as powerful as the 3GS. Sure, it's got a 1 ghz processor, but it's got the same graphics card as the 3GS pushing more than quadruple the pixels. 256 mb of ram makes the situation worse. For example, for Infinity Blade 1, the developer had to actually reduce the graphical intensity of the game to tailor it to fit the iPad 1, so then it would stop crashing and lagging due to memory contraints. The 3GS and the iPhone 4 enjoyed the same degree of graphical content on the other hand. (In my experience, the iPhone 4 often tended to have slower framerates at times).
iOS 5 was slow on the iPad. It was too RAM intensive, and often left the idling available ram at a mere 70-80 mb available for apps during idling. The 3GS on the other hand has up to 140 mb of ram free while idling. Since iPad apps take more ram on the average, the iPad is much more prone to crashing than the 3GS.
Overall, the 3GS, although older, is actually more capable of pushing it's own weight than the iPad. Due to that, it's much more future proof.
Many times this has been mentioned, but the iPad isn't PROPORTIONALLY as powerful as the 3GS. Sure, it's got a 1 ghz processor, but it's got the same graphics card as the 3GS pushing more than quadruple the pixels. 256 mb of ram makes the situation worse. For example, for Infinity Blade 1, the developer had to actually reduce the graphical intensity of the game to tailor it to fit the iPad 1, so then it would stop crashing and lagging due to memory contraints. The 3GS and the iPhone 4 enjoyed the same degree of graphical content on the other hand. (In my experience, the iPhone 4 often tended to have slower framerates at times).
iOS 5 was slow on the iPad. It was too RAM intensive, and often left the idling available ram at a mere 70-80 mb available for apps during idling. The 3GS on the other hand has up to 140 mb of ram free while idling. Since iPad apps take more ram on the average, the iPad is much more prone to crashing than the 3GS.
Overall, the 3GS, although older, is actually more capable of pushing it's own weight than the iPad. Due to that, it's much more future proof.
That was kind of my point. Generally, older hardware can POTENTIALLY run newer operating systems, but would you really want to put Windows 7 on an ancient machine? Sure, it might work if you get the 1GB of RAM and a fast enough processor (idr what the minimum requirement was), but when it comes down to it, is it more worth upgrading software or hardware?
Plus the guy was saying why can't they just update to the newest iOS, but strip away features until the device can support it enough. At that point, it's not even worth the upgrade. If you stripped away newer features from iOS 5 and put it on a 3G, chances are you'd just have iOS 4 with 'iOS 5' stamped on it. Same with iOS6.
Same. Or I'd pay for Rosetta in Lion (preferably). Actually, Lion is supported by fewer Macs than Snow Leopard, so you have to consider that too.
The retarded part is that Windows has more iCloud support than Snow Leopard in a couple of ways. Clearly, Apple is taking extra advantage of their current users, pushing them near the tolerance limit. I guess it's way better to deal with Apple pushing me than having to deal with trash from Microsoft and others.
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It's actually a great deal. Really, the iPhone 1 is already overkill for a cellphone.
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What device will you be going with since apple is outta the picture for you now??
I'm still using my 1st gen 16GB Wifi iPad every day. It is running iOS 5 just fine. It does get slow and choppy if I fill it up but currently I have about 1.7GB free and I also kill off apps I'm not using just to keep the load low. It works fine, and I will continue to use it for a while yet. Some users have found that wiping and restoring helps with performance so you might want to try that
I expected to get three years use out of it and am two years in so at some point in the next year or so I'll likely upgrade. I'm not happy I won't be getting iOS6 but I'll deal with it. The iPad still does plenty of things very well such as video streaming, email, browsing and so on. Safari works well but can crash on JavaScript heavy sites sometimes so if a site uses a lot of JavaScript I don't tend to go there. The iPad is what it is and I don't regret buying it. I will probably see what comes out next year though since we have an iPad 3 in the office and it doesn't feel dramatically quicker than my original and I can't usually see a difference in the screen.
Supporting the 3GS is great news, It really does show up other manufacturers that it really is not on to still sell a device which you have no intention of ever upgrading. Fewer, better devices for different target markets would give them less to support. Or following Apple. Samsung could have the S1 as the budget phone, S2 as the mid phone and the S3 as the high end phone for example then possibly a smaller range too instead of all the junk they shove out like the Europa!
Another part of the problem is though they still see a sale as the last time they will make money off a user / device until they sell them the next version. Apple is all about the ecosystem - sell them apps, music etc and realise they will upgrade when they can afford to do so, in the mean time they spend money anywya. RIM really have no excuse for not taking this on board, Manufacturers that use Android or Windows Phone have a harder time but it wouldn't be too hard to innovate a bit, add some sort of music streaming or video stores perhaps. Once they have people using these then upgrading the OS becomes desirable for them so they can continue flogging people stuff.
Another part of the problem is though they still see a sale as the last time they will make money off a user / device until they sell them the next version. Apple is all about the ecosystem - sell them apps, music etc and realise they will upgrade when they can afford to do so, in the mean time they spend money anywya. RIM really have no excuse for not taking this on board, Manufacturers that use Android or Windows Phone have a harder time but it wouldn't be too hard to innovate a bit, add some sort of music streaming or video stores perhaps. Once they have people using these then upgrading the OS becomes desirable for them so they can continue flogging people stuff.
Unfortunately, I think your expectations are just a little bit unreasonable AND it seams that you are confusing updates to the OS with operability. I have a Mac Pro, G5 tower circa 2006 that runs just fine using Snow Leopard. No, it can't sync to my iPhone anymore and it's not going to do iCloud, but I'm not going to cry to Apple that they've abandoned me and my Mac Pro. And as we've all known, the iPad 1, as great as it was - groundbreaking even, did not run Safari well and from the beginning other features were not exactly smooth (like what you see with the 2 or 3). So again, your expectation is that your 2 year old iPad should do the same things the new 3 does? Do you expect the 720p HDTV you bought 2 years ago to offer 1080p and 3D today, because it's just 2 years old (not to mention the similar model today costs the same or less even though it adds more features)? I call bull on thinking like this.
I understand 2 years seams like a short time for a full OS refresh that you can't enjoy on your iPad 1, but the iPad is not a Mac Pro, regardless of whether you think it runs faster (in some cases) than the Pro. And given Apple brought the iPad to market, clearly not knowing where it was going to go and what changes they'd be making based upon new technology, getting 2 years before you can't upgrade the OS seams absolutely reasonable to me.
iPad 1 is still very usable and I own all the generations iPads (1,2,3).
I don't hesitate to use the iPad 1 if it's closest to me. The only issue is if you need more than 2 tabs in Safari but it's smooth and runs all the apps I need.
It definitely isn't the sh*tstorm for the iPhone 3G ... that was horribly slow.
I don't hesitate to use the iPad 1 if it's closest to me. The only issue is if you need more than 2 tabs in Safari but it's smooth and runs all the apps I need.
It definitely isn't the sh*tstorm for the iPhone 3G ... that was horribly slow.
None...I'm not done with Apple and I really enjoy my new 2012 MacBook Air. I can see and feel the 1099 I spent on the 13" version when it comes to power, usability, future proveness and build quality. When I look at the tablet market including the iPad I just don't see ANY comparable price-performance ratio...not even close. In retrospect any tablet above 400-500 is just overpriced when you compare it to notebooks. But you only get 16 GB Flash and Wifi only with Apple. Want that 3G modem that maybe costs 5$? you have to fork out 120 extra, you want double or quadruple flash (which cost like 10-15$?) you'll have to fork another 100-200. No SD-Slot or any kind of removable memory seriously hinders you in that decision as well. Now you also see that Apple like to drop support for no other reason then more profit...Why should I or anybody else fork out more money for this overpriced toy?
Restrict it is fine, as did with 3GS.
I am not wanting full iOS 6 support, just the basics, including FaceBook integration.
One of the things I point out to my friends is Apple have longer useful life then competing products.
Yes, Android has almost no upgrade paths, squeezing once more cycle out for iPad 1, like 3GS, will stick it to the Android crowed.
I myself don't have iPad 1 (3ed Gen), but still feel this is dropping is premature, especially since it was less then 2 years Apple stopped selling it.
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Some 30 million iPad 1's are floating around, which is something developers look at when making apps. No iOS 6 for 1st effectively removes them from potential App sales.
Please explain how your claim that "smart mail boxes no on the 3GS" is "cold hard reality" in view of the topic of this thread.
Your opinion and pulled-out-of-your-rear assumptions are fact? Good to know. I disagree.
I understand that "system" apps are individually upgradeable. I just think you are rationalizing when you are dismissing an OS upgrade as "not as critical" as having Siri and Apple-designed navigation. Why bother upgrading Android at all?
All fragmentation is not the same. Android's fragmentation is as a development platform. iOS fragmentation is about a couple consumer features for the most part. These are completely separate issues.
Woeful support? They are far from perfect, but that doesn't change the fact that they are better than anyone else in the industry.
Already corrected myself in a followup.
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I actually thought my 3GS struggled with iOS 4 and seriously improved with iOS 5, odd that you had the opposite experience. I must admit that I am a little weary of Apple doing their own Maps in iOS 6. I am hoping it took so long because they knew they could not degrade how maps performed and they got it right. Jelly Bean looks nice, but nothing significant enough to get me to switch. It looks like Google and Apple are just trading off on when they will come out with features. Mobile operating systems have matured and now we are in a phase of iteration. To get me to give up the Apple software and accessory ecosystem, Google would have to come up with something significantly better. Its possible, but Windows had to get really bad and Macs had to improve a lot to get me to finally switch back to Mac from Windows in 2009. Switching platforms is not easy unless your only apps are the built-in ones.