I read about this in NYT this morning. I don't think it's an overly huge deal -- especially when I know the name of the app that I'm looking for. I generally don't search for terms like, podcasts, TV or music. If I want to download, say, Netflix, I'll type "Netflix" in the search bar, not "TV."
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Apple Adjusts App Store Algorithm After Realizing Many Apple Apps Dominate Search Results
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I’m going to start blaming everything in life on algorithms.
Rear-end someone? Sorry it was algorithm.
Spill a glass of milk? Sorry it was the algorithm.
Forget to pay the mortgage? Sorry it was the algorithm.
Rear-end someone? Sorry it was algorithm.
Spill a glass of milk? Sorry it was the algorithm.
Forget to pay the mortgage? Sorry it was the algorithm.
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Time for all the people who said it was a non issue to eat crow.
But they won't because
Apple = good
Everyone else = bad
and they must defend Apple for everything.
I thought it was my iPhone, not Apple's
But they won't because
Apple = good
Everyone else = bad
and they must defend Apple for everything.
I thought it was my iPhone, not Apple's
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Please tell me which law specifically it violates?
Do you guys seriously have nothing better ro complain about?
what “correcting” did Apple do? the article said the algorithm is working as expected so the only thing they could do is intentionally drop Apple apps a few ranks. it’s likely people deleted a lot of stock Apple apps initially but then decided to redownload them.
Funny how the always ‘realise’/correct things after being threatened with legal action.
US Antitrust law, which prohibits any behavior deemed to inhibit competition in a marketplace. Sorry if you don't like people complaining about corporate malfeasance. It's a topic that's important to some of us.
"We make mistakes all the time," Mr. Cue said.
"We're happy to admit when we do," Mr. Schiller said.
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Butterfly mechanism maybe ?
"We're happy to admit when we do," Mr. Schiller said.
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Butterfly mechanism maybe ?
It’ll get really old if the EU commission find them guilty, fine them a hearty fine and force them to change the App Store policies, and then submit evidence regularly to prove it has whilst it’s in the watch list. They fully deserve a huge fine IMO. 5% of their annual turn over should do it.
Thankfully competition rules and attitudes are vastly different in Europe to other global regions including the US. And Apple may well be finding that out the hard way soon.
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Oh... i see. In your personal capacity you have already ruled it to be anti-competitive behavior in violation of anti trust law. They shouldnt even bother litigating it then. Since you have already ruled.
I've ruled it as such because it's exactly what it is. You can't decree that users must purchase all apps from your own store and then rig that store so your own apps are given preferential placement over others. The US will certainly be litigating this, and they'll win...correction, we the users will win.
735 out of 60000 is one in 82. It was literally easier to do the math than to type the comment, so why not calculate before posting.
In any case, if you look at the examples they give among the 735, a good many are search terms that are pretty much part of the names of Apple built-in apps that come with iOS. For free. So, the listing in the App Store says "Open", not "Get". Now, don't you think the search should let you know you might already have something that does the job, rather than to lead you to download something you don't need? I certainly prefer that!
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You mean, for example, the apps that you get for free that are already part of iOS, and are already sitting loaded on your phone? Yes, that's true. The algorithm does favor apps you already own.
Please add a “In my opinion” at the start of your statements. Because that is exactly what they are. Have a great day!
Whilst it may be his opinion, it’s also the opinion of the EU competition commission to take Spotify’s complaint up and investigate Apple and it’s App Store policies for being unfair to developers, so it’s a fact their is enough evidence to suggest possible wrong doing by Apple, otherwise they wouldn’t be investigated for it.
http://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.macrumors.com/2019/05/06/eu-to-investigate-apple-over-spotify-complaint/amp/
Yes, because searching for "music" shows "Apple MUSIC" and "maps" shows "Apple MAPS" first. Who would have thought?!
Read the article..searching for "podcasts" shows Apple Podcasts first, Apple Compass second, Find My Friends third, Tips, Apple TV, Watch, Files, iTunes Store, Apple Books, Apple News, Voice Memos, all before a single 3rd party podcast app.
An opinion you'll soon be proven as fact in a very long DOJ ruling. You think Apple was surprised to learn their apps were given preferential placement in their own App Store? And that they stopped this behavior today for no particular reason, like the rumored antitrust investigation in the works?
But it's still an opinion. Others disagree. It's sufficient to say something is an opinion. Stating something is a fact when it is not yet a fact is very disingenuous.
And from an intellectual standpoint, to say what their algorithm does is "fraudulent" and guilty of anti-trust violations would suggest pretty much every single search engine is guilty of fraud as well. Perform a search in google, or yelp, or yahoo. What do their search results always show first? Paid search results. Businesses pay money to show up first. So their algorithms purposely show results that benefit them. They don't eliminate other competitors... just bump them lower. Is this fraud to you? Does the Safeway grocery store chain putting their house brand foods (Safeway Select) in a prominent spot on store shelves equal fraud to you?
Again, in my opinion this is people seriously trying to find a gripe to complain about.
I am still not seeing what exactly Apple did wrong here. My guess is that Apple ultimately did what they did because it evidently mattered a great deal to the developers who complained, while making the change cost Apple nothing. It just wasn’t a fight Apple felt was worth their time.
Life goes on. It’s not like I need Apple’s apps to be on top of the search results anyways.
Yeah that makes perfect sense. Of course you wouldn’t see it.
Just like how any of their reverse decisions (battery/keyboards/etc) after denial wasn’t worth their time either!