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+R doens't work in older drive...definately not in my RCA's, but it does in some of the newer players, i agree with that

i think Apple ran out of the Phillips drive and just threw some sony's in cause they were cheap....just a thought....
 
Originally posted by MrBillGates
Quite frankly I have never been impressed with Sony products. Over the past years I've owned a Sony Triniton monitor, MD player, two component CD player, a portable CD player, and a Sony CD-R. All have failed within two years. I hope the Superdrives Apple is installing in their new systems are quality and not typical sony crap.

my .02 cents

I'm right now looking at the Sony Trinitron monitor I bought 3 years ago. Still going as strong as ever. In my computer is a Sony cdrom drive that's also almost 3 years old. No problems.

Maybe you just got unlucky.
 
Re: iDVD and other formats

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
In case you didn't know, iDVD will burn to a DVD-RW -- with a little coaxing :)

I wonder why Apple supply dvd-rw drives and you have to use such a stupid un-apple like work around to get the os to burn to rw without such things as toast. Maybe they just wanna sell more of Apple$ cd-r discs as with dvd-rw discs you can keep on using them. I hope they arn't starting to think like that. I can't think of any other reason why they wouldn't support it, unless the ability will be added in a future update, but then again iLife has already just been updated...
 
Originally posted by MrBillGates
Quite frankly I have never been impressed with Sony products. Over the past years I've owned a Sony Triniton monitor, MD player, two component CD player, a portable CD player, and a Sony CD-R. All have failed within two years. I hope the Superdrives Apple is installing in their new systems are quality and not typical sony crap.

my .02 cents

I got your back on that one. Sony does have an undeserving reputation for quality. While with some products, the reputation holds true, other products are crap. My Sony DVD player crapped out on me after less than 2 years. And I've had a couple CD players in the past break down in shorter time than I expect from a "quality" product.

But as far as PCs go, I think if you're going to own one, get a Sony. In my opinion, Sony is the Apple of the PC world.

Now back on topic. I have mixed experiences with Sony drives. Though I've never owned a DVD burner, I've owned Sony CD-ROM and Sony CD-R/W. The CD-ROM will continue to work for another hundred years, but the CD-R/W (USB Sony Spressa) only worked for about one year, and was sketchy for that year that it worked. I had more failed burns than successful, but I know that there are other factors at play there.

My $0.03.
 
Re: Re: iDVD and other formats

Originally posted by dstorey
I wonder why Apple supply dvd-rw drives and you have to use such a stupid un-apple like work around to get the os to burn to rw without such things as toast. Maybe they just wanna sell more of Apple$ cd-r discs as with dvd-rw discs you can keep on using them. I hope they arn't starting to think like that. I can't think of any other reason why they wouldn't support it, unless the ability will be added in a future update, but then again iLife has already just been updated...
I would asume it's because many older DVD players don't work with DVD-RW's and they don't want the headache of people calling in with complaints of incompatibility.

I'd venture a guess that they will soon start officially supporting DVD-RW - especially since most DVD players will take them now-a-days.
 
Originally posted by bikertwin
iDVD 3 will write to DVD-RW without doing the DVD-R shuffle. Just put in a blank or erased DVD-RW at the beginning and it won't complain.
I could swear that it complained and spit the blank DVD-RW out when I first tried it. I'll have to check that when I get home tonight.
 
I find it surprising that nobody has mentioned this, but my 12" powerbook's superdrive is also not made by pioneer - it's Mat****a brand... ID's as MAT****A DVD-R UJ-815.

I haven't actually tried burning any DVDs with it yet, so I can't comment on its performance in those matters, but iTunes has said that it has been burning Audio CDs at 24x.... which differs from the 8x that Apple lists on their site for audio CD burn speeds of the 12's Superdrive.

Anybody know what the lowdown is on this?
 
Originally posted by Anticipat3
I find it surprising that nobody has mentioned this, but my 12" powerbook's superdrive is also not made by pioneer - it's Mat****a brand... ID's as MAT****A DVD-R UJ-815.

I haven't actually tried burning any DVDs with it yet, so I can't comment on its performance in those matters, but iTunes has said that it has been burning Audio CDs at 24x.... which differs from the 8x that Apple lists on their site for audio CD burn speeds of the 12's Superdrive.

Anybody know what the lowdown is on this?

Either you have the combo drive and haven't realized it or you are reading the read speed and not the write speed.
 
just for info

Bought my iMac two days ago in Germany. Sony Superdrive inside. (lucky me ;)
As me being a 'Switch' user, the thing that iMac had minus standard anoyed me really much, especially when you're not able to change the drive. Yes, yes... buy external firewire burner, but that's not it, not the same box. Anyway, now that I read this article, I'm more than happy man, will go to shop tomorrow and buy some +R/+RW media just for a laugh.

fiuman
 
Originally posted by Anticipat3
I find it surprising that nobody has mentioned this, but my 12" powerbook's superdrive is also not made by pioneer - it's Mat****a brand... ID's as MAT****A DVD-R UJ-815.

I haven't actually tried burning any DVDs with it yet, so I can't comment on its performance in those matters, but iTunes has said that it has been burning Audio CDs at 24x.... which differs from the 8x that Apple lists on their site for audio CD burn speeds of the 12's Superdrive.

Anybody know what the lowdown is on this?

Mat$hita is panasonic IIRC the cd drives in the older iBooks were Mat$hita... I don't think you have the superdrive I think you have the combo drive. It then makes sense because the combo drive is made by mat$hita... PS Arn can we make it so Mat$hita isn't Mat****a?

A@ron
 
I have seen confirmation of a sony superdrive at a local apple store, so I take back any doubts that I had about this rumor being true. But does bring up one question: Why would apple make this change inside of the product cycle rather than waiting till the next revision? My personal guess is that it was substantially lower in price, and seems like an impressive drive.
 
Originally posted by MrBillGates
Quite frankly I have never been impressed with Sony products. Over the past years I've owned a Sony Triniton monitor, MD player, two component CD player, a portable CD player, and a Sony CD-R. All have failed within two years. I hope the Superdrives Apple is installing in their new systems are quality and not typical sony crap.

my .02 cents

I have had nothing but great experiences with Sony except for a car stereo I bought almost 20 years ago. Everything else I own that is Sony is terrific! Digital camera, video camera, two CD jam boxes, walkman, etc. all purchased withing the last 4 years.

I think the real truth here is that we are talking about electronics and there are always defective electronics...I have had much better luck with Sony and Samsung products than any other electronics companies. I am not saying you have not had bad expereinces with Sony, but I have had many friends that have also had very positive ones as well. Hopefully your expereinces are not a significant indication of major quality issues with Sony.

Unfortunately almost all electronics right now are made so cheaply that they don't last long. I was skiing with someone the other day and he said he considers all electronics very disposable...use it for a year or two then toss it and buy a new one. Sad, but true for most...that Walmart mentality...cheaper is better. These are the same people that say I would rather buy three DVD players for $59 each at Walmart every nine months than pay the extra for one good quality DVD player and have it last three or more years. In the end these people pay more for their products, but they are able to spread it out over time...which I guess is important for them...but sad for the dumps that have to take all three DVD players instead of one.:mad:

Good luck with your future electronics purchases.:D
 
Sony IS Garbage

It is good to see that other people were suspicious of the new iMacs using Sony drives. I worked in consumer electronics before, and 80% of the defective stuff that came back was Sony.

The reason is because Sony, like most companies, farm out there products to smaller companies. The thing is, while most farm their products out to quality companies, Sony is constantly using companies that charge the least to manufacture their products. It is said that they do this to cover the cost of replacing defective merchandise, as they have figured out that it is cheaper in the long run to do it this way.

A Sony sales rep told me this!

Now, if you buy a crappy product, just because there is a lower price point, you are more accepting when that product breaks down.

That is were Sony falls short: they charge premium prices, try to promote a premium image, while distributing sub-standard goods. People are catching on, though. Towards the end of my jaunt in the retail sales world, I heard a lot of, "Just anything but Sony."
 
Originally posted by A@ron
Mat$hita is panasonic IIRC the cd drives in the older iBooks were Mat$hita... I don't think you have the superdrive I think you have the combo drive. It then makes sense because the combo drive is made by mat$hita... PS Arn can we make it so Mat$hita isn't Mat****a?

A@ron

Yes Mat****a is panasonic...You were right about that, but Anticipat3's posting about his 12" powerbook having a Mat****a superdrive (DVD-R UJ-815) is correct. He has the model number correct as well. The drive is suppose to be a multiformat drive (DVD-r/rw & ram) but apple have restricted its burning capabilities by using a different firmware.

More info about the drive here:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/nov02/112202.html
 
Re: Sony IS Garbage

Originally posted by steeleclipse
People are catching on, though. Towards the end of my jaunt in the retail sales world, I heard a lot of, "Just anything but Sony."

Hm... well... If we would be talking about the HiFi or such products, I'd say the same as well. We are talking about consumer products. It's crap, it will always be, as simple as that. Would you like to pay additional 400$ for Plextor burner (if they had such a super feature drive?) Me not.
 
Re: Sony IS Garbage

Originally posted by steeleclipse
It is good to see that other people were suspicious of the new iMacs using Sony drives. I worked in consumer electronics before, and 80% of the defective stuff that came back was Sony.

The reason is because Sony, like most companies, farm out there products to smaller companies. The thing is, while most farm their products out to quality companies, Sony is constantly using companies that charge the least to manufacture their products. It is said that they do this to cover the cost of replacing defective merchandise, as they have figured out that it is cheaper in the long run to do it this way.

A Sony sales rep told me this!

Now, if you buy a crappy product, just because there is a lower price point, you are more accepting when that product breaks down.

That is were Sony falls short: they charge premium prices, try to promote a premium image, while distributing sub-standard goods. People are catching on, though. Towards the end of my jaunt in the retail sales world, I heard a lot of, "Just anything but Sony."

Sony does have more than its fair share of low budget products targeted at that segment. But I have a 2yr old 32" Sony Vega Flat Screen TV and other brands still can't touch the picture quality. Not even a hint of a problem.
 
Its "Wega"

First of all, its SONY "WEGA", and be prepared for problems. THe last move that was made on the "WEGA" line was production facilities being sent down to Mexico to save money, and ALL "WEGA" warranties were reduced from 2 years to 1.

HMMMMMMM.... Don't you find that strange? :)
 
iMac 4X DVD-R

FYI - I got to use one of the new 1 GHz iMacs at my local Apple Store. The iMac there had a Sony drive too. I burned a couple of DVD's with Toast (I had my PowerBook set up in FireWire target disk mode) and they burned quite successfully at 4X, verified too, took less than 10 min./disk.

A note about iDVD 3...

I got the iLife disk and went to install iDVD 3. The install requires (drum roll please) ** 2 GB of free space**. I'd already partitioned my drive and although I had the space on other volumes, I didn't have it on the OS X volume - the only volume it'd choose. I had to install a 2nd OS X on an empty volume and then install iDVD there and then copy iDVD over to another volume and finally format the previously empty volume. it took about an hour...
 
Re: Its "Wega"

Originally posted by steeleclipse
First of all, its SONY "WEGA", and be prepared for problems. THe last move that was made on the "WEGA" line was production facilities being sent down to Mexico to save money, and ALL "WEGA" warranties were reduced from 2 years to 1.

HMMMMMMM.... Don't you find that strange? :)

I prefer to spell it the way it is pronounced.

I don't find it strange. No stranger than powerbooks being produced by the same manufacturers that make the vast majority of PC laptops.
 
It is pronounced "WEGA"

It IS pronounced "WEGA"

Either that or the Sony Rep. , all my co-workers and the Sony commercials have it all wrong.
 
So has anyone tried burning a DVD+R/RW? Either in the Finder or Toast (preferably both). This drive maybe a dual DVD format drive but Apple may have limited its abilities with firmware so the drive will only burn -R/RW.
 
Originally posted by Falcon500
So has anyone tried burning a DVD+R/RW? Either in the Finder or Toast (preferably both). This drive maybe a dual DVD format drive but Apple may have limited its abilities with firmware so the drive will only burn -R/RW.

I can burn in Toast with my DRU500A, but this drive was simply an external firewire device that I moved over from my PC, so it doesn't speak to Apple possibly changing the firmware on their version of the Sony drive. In toast, the Sony dual format burners are fully supported.

Rony
 
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