Apple After Steve Jobs

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  1. IPadNParadise macrumors 6502

    IPadNParadise

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    Not sure where my comment belongs but I put it under the iPad section since I am focused on Apple updating their iPad Pro line. Lately I have read several books about the life, decline in health and death of Steve Jobs. It brings me to this belief.....I think Steve Jobs was a remarkable, One of a Kind man, but I wonder if Apple would have come out with so many outstanding products, so closely together, if not for his pushing through his declining health.

    So now, we are left dealing with two issues, among others, regarding the current Apple....1) We got used to the fast pace of the One More Thing, both from new products or awesome updates and 2) Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs, Tim's focus is revenue and a lean running company. Hence the large cash drawer and the sloooow release of anything new or exciting. I am now wondering when Apple is going to start their decline in revenue!
     
  2. daflake macrumors 6502a

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    This evolution is nothing new and most tech companies have gone through it at some point. Apple will peak and then decline, the real salt will come from their ability to sustain even after they lose the throne they are holding on to. Time will tell
     
  3. DaveOP macrumors 65816

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    Look at other companies, the smartphone and computer markets are stagnating. Got a new Galaxy S8, it feels very similar to the S7. Laptops are getting lighter and lighter, but not speeding up vastly, or adding many new features. Current tech is very mature, and makes it hard for each new product to feel super innovative. VR/AR has a lot of room to grow, as does autonomous cars. These things take time. I feel like the Steve Jobs mourners need to take a step back, and look at the industry as a whole.
     
  4. jonnyb098 macrumors 68020

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    I think we can (mostly) all agree that there will never be anyone like Steve. But as he himself said "death is the single best invention. It clears out the old to make room for the new".

    This is Tim's Apple now. Apple still makes amazing products and people are holding them them to a high standard, rightfully so. Sure the Watch is not a game changer. Sure, Apple Music got off to a rocky start. Sure, the Mac has been neglected a bit.

    But one thing is still certain for me and I'm sure many others. Theres no other phone, tablet or computer that I'd rather use than one made by Apple.

    Apple is bound to change EVEN MORE in the next decade or two. Many on the executive team have been there for 20+ years now. Thats a long haul by any standard today. In the next 10-15 years there will be an entirely new executive team at Apple and who knows what they'll come up (or not come up with).

    TL;DR

    Enjoy life, Apple isnt that bad.
     
  5. neutrino23 macrumors 68000

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    No question Steve was unique and Apple is different without him. But it is difficult to say precisely how it is different. If you look back at the historical timeline you will see there were years long gaps between major products under Steve.
     
  6. IPadNParadise thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I agree, that's why I said he pushed more than he always did to make sure his last projects got out to the customers. And we got used to that and continue to expect it still.
     
  7. JMacHack macrumors 6502

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    Apple is different since Steve's been gone, this is a fact. Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs either, also true.

    After reading Walter Issacson's biography of Steve, from what I can tell, Apple without Steve is a double-edged sword.
    Some stuff that I think Steve made integral to Apple:
    1. The "Walled Garden" environment.
    2. The concept of a system that should "Just work"
    3. A product that was not just beautiful on the outside, but beautiful on the inside as well
    4. A "Product-focused" company. i.e. not deliberately trying to make the most profit, have the best workers environment, etc. But to make the best product
    5. The "try to be counter-culture" philosophy.

    All of which, in Steve's absence, Apple has strived to continue (even when met with mixed success and harsh criticism).

    But lest we forget, Steve was hardly the "technological messiah" that a lot of people make him out to be. A passage in the above biography I always like to bring up when people talk about how "Apple was better when Steve Jobs was at the helm" was a story about how he wanted to name the Macintosh "The Bicycle". Or how his employees had to go behind his back to procure tray-loading disc drives since he stubbornly insisted on slot-loading for the iMac.

    The best qualities of Steve (that he put into Apple) was his insistence on attention-to-detail, his vision of a future "digital lifestyle", and his constant charisma that inspired everyone in a room. (And of course, his ability to spot a niche market and target it)

    I doubt Apple would be significantly different today even if Steve Jobs were still alive however. A lot of criticisms thrown at Apple currently have roots even in the "return to Apple" Steve Jobs era.
     
  8. darksithpro macrumors regular

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    If you look at Apples product lineup, they're almost all products that have strong competition in a very saturated market.

    1. Traditional Computers: Completely saturated, not much growth.

    2. Smartphones: Same thing. Everyone and their grandma now has one.

    3. Tablets: Again, already saturated.

    4. Wearables: Still kinda untapped, but not as desired and needed as the other product lineups.

    4. Apple TV: Strong competition from cheaper devices for basically same content.

    Apple needs to find another untapped market like they did with the iPod and the original iPhone. A market that hasn't really progressed in the last 5-10 years, or so.
     
  9. Channan macrumors 68030

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    Is there a reason tray loading discs is better than slot loading? To me, that seems like the much better choice as there's no flimsy part that pops out and can break off and if Steve insisted on that, I'd say he was right.
     
  10. JMacHack macrumors 6502

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    At the time, there was no slot-loading drives with a burn capability, only tray-loading drives had that. I dunno if it was Steve who insisted on having a writeable drive in the iMac, but it was an essential part of it, and there was going to be no compromise on that capability.

    Apple had a deal to use Sony drives in the iMac, but Steve hated the look of the tray-loading drives and wanted to wait for Sony to release slot drives before the iMac was released. Long story short, the deadline was looming, and the Mac team went behind Steve's back to procure some tray drives without him knowing (he probably would've fired them if they asked). When the deadline came up, and Sony still didn't have slot-loading r/w drives the team told him what they did and he seemed appreciative.

    Or at least that's what I read in Walter Issacson's book, I dunno how factual that is. Apparently it was a design thing that Jobs was hung up on, not a durability thing.
     
  11. masotime macrumors 68000

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    Which books exactly?
     
  12. IPadNParadise thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Becoming Steve Jobs (best) and Steve Jobs, The Man Who Thought Different. I had read Walter Isaackson's book a few years ago.
     

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