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Expecting software as complicated as MacOS (with apparently 13 million lines of code, not including drivers and apps), and frequently updated with new features, to be 100% perfect 100% of the time, is not reasonable when human beings are involved creating it.
They can trim the bloat. That would make OSX require less resources, make bug hunting easier, make the OS faster. It's a win-win. Let us decide which features we want. No AI for me thanks.
Perhaps that expectation is reasonable on planet Ork, though.
Is that the planet Mork came from? 🖖🖖Nanu Nanu🖖🖖
 
Corporations are managed/run by people not machines, at least for now, although that's a separate debate altogether.
They are run by people who went through a process of natural selection that brought the ones who only care about making investors happy (hence, money).
A CEO that chooses ethics over profit is a bad CEO. There's no relevant prize for ethical corporations.
There can be some return for some choices that customers perceive as ethical but that's just marketing and it can never interfere with profit.

That's why Apple pretends to be pro-environment while pushing for extreme planned obsolescence. If they avoided that, they'd be less profitable and some less-ethical corporation would take their place. The whole process is meant for the same natural selection of profit-oriented people and choices.

There can be exceptions (rare and they rarely last) but what we perceive as a company's "heart" or "personality" is usually just the product of some marketing executives who spent millions to decide what jungian archetype would fit best the company's public image.
 
They can trim the bloat. That would make OSX require less resources, make bug hunting easier, make the OS faster. It's a win-win. Let us decide which features we want. No AI for me thanks.

Is that the planet Mork came from? 🖖🖖Nanu Nanu🖖🖖

It sounds like you have inside and detailed knowledge of the makeup of MacOS. What bloat are you speaking of? Be specific regarding the type and amount, and the impact on resources. How much bloat is there, the various kinds, and what specifically is the impact on performance?

I've yet to have any issues with MacOS, especially regarding performance.
 
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It sounds like you have inside and detailed knowledge of the makeup of MacOS. What bloat are you speaking of? Be specific regarding the type and amount, and the impact on resources. How much bloat is there, the various kinds, and what specifically is the impact on performance?

I've yet to have any issues with MacOS, especially regarding performance.
Good questions. Apple Intelligence is one of the few features I know of that uses some resources even if you don't need it, but at least it can be disabled. Most other features will take up disk space but not impact performance unless you use them.
 
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It sounds like you have inside and detailed knowledge of the makeup of MacOS. What bloat are you speaking of?
Does it take a ships captain to know a ship is unevenly loaded if the ship is listing. Does it take a mechanic to known if a car is overloaded it the chassis is 2 inches from the ground?

Bloat is anything you don't need, don't want, that takes up space and consumes resources. What I consider bloat, someone else would consider essential. If it's a feature you don't want, it's bloat.
Be specific regarding the type and amount, and the impact on resources. How much bloat is there, the various kinds, and what specifically is the impact on performance?

I've yet to have any issues with MacOS, especially regarding performance.
What do you expect when a computer has a 20 core chip and 16GB of RAM? Apple's hardware is compensation for bloated software. Try running said software on dual core, 2GB machine.
A 500hp, 1200lbs-ft torque truck would have no problem towing a 2000lbs load. Try towing the same load with a 200hp, 300lbs-ft torque sedan.
 
Does it take a ships captain to know a ship is unevenly loaded if the ship is listing. Does it take a mechanic to known if a car is overloaded it the chassis is 2 inches from the ground?

Bloat is anything you don't need, don't want, that takes up space and consumes resources. What I consider bloat, someone else would consider essential. If it's a feature you don't want, it's bloat.

What do you expect when a computer has a 20 core chip and 16GB of RAM? Apple's hardware is compensation for bloated software. Try running said software on dual core, 2GB machine.
A 500hp, 1200lbs-ft torque truck would have no problem towing a 2000lbs load. Try towing the same load with a 200hp, 300lbs-ft torque sedan.

Sounds like you need to find an Apple competitor that produces bloat-free computers and operating systems that better suit your needs.

I'm very happy with my Apple computers and operating systems. Everything runs great and is fast, and most importantly is super reliable. Zero problems. I suspect many of Apple's 1+ Billion active and repeat customers, propelling Apple to being one of the most successful tech companies in the world, are happy as well.
 
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By all means, please enlighten us.

What does the amount of profit have to do with size of heart?
It’s all about the anti-capitalism flowing through the tech blog universe. Negativity is the name of the game. If you are an enthusiast of any company there’s something wrong with you. ALL corporations are evil, ALL CEOs should be in jail, and ALL products should be essentially free. Hence the continual harping about overpriced products ands calls for Tim Cook to be fired.
 
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What do you expect when a computer has a 20 core chip and 16GB of RAM? Apple's hardware is compensation for bloated software. Try running said software on dual core, 2GB machine.
What kind of argument is this?
Apple hasn’t sold a dual core machine with only 2 GB of RAM since… what, 2010? And even then it wasn’t exactly seen as a great spec.
And just for comparison, Windows 11 officially requires at least 4 GB of RAM and pretty much won’t run on anything older than 2018 without compromise.
It actually there was a good period between Big Sur, Monterey and Ventura where tons of old Intel computer support was dropped from Apple’s OS and it actually caused the operating systems storage to go down, so this argument about Apple not caring about bloat kinda falls on its face.
 
Being the "worlds most valuable brand" doesn't do much for me honestly.
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Steve captured my thoughts below 👇
headlines like these make me feel like i am living in a parallel universe.

apple's never been perfect, but on balance it was historical the best fit for my needs, and had plenty that i genuinely liked.

over the past while though, i find myself increasingly frustrated. and its not from trying to do complex or niche things. just basic operation of devices has gotten... exasperating?

maybe no alternatives are any better, but i just... i dunno how people are cheering and clapping at the current state of tech.

also can't wait for thumbs down emojis from people who either can't fathom others having legitimate problems if it hasn't personally hit them; or worse so deep in their "fandom" that they get mad anyone dissenting.
 
The "biggest" brand with the smallest heart, quite an achievement :cool:
This guy nailed it right here. I've been using Max for over 20 years but I wouldn't dare buy another piece of Apple equipment is that a computer. I love those, but that's not the point. Their behavior has been rancid for many years. Maybe they saw Google say we don't need to play nice anymore and took it to literally.

They abandoned my 2013 iMac and actually removed nvidia's graphics driver after an update. they're still charging what $400 for 16 GB or so?

Apple is just a bunch of sh_heads with a good Tech Team. If karma really was a thing, they would have been fed their Just desserts already. But when you're as big as them there's only one way to go. Unfortunately they're going to take Mac OS and I will computers with them. And unfortunately Windows still stinks and works like it was designed by a caveman who found some note in a dirt that said 'graphq desn & UI suxz'
 
Expecting software as complicated as MacOS (with apparently 13 million lines of code, not including drivers and apps), and frequently updated with new features, to be 100% perfect 100% of the time, is not reasonable when human beings are involved creating it. Perhaps that expectation is reasonable on planet Ork, though.

The good news is that Apple as a responsible company, fixes discovered bugs and potential security issues in updates.

I wonder how many people who are not happy with Apple software take the time to write a thoughtful letter to Apple managers expressing their opinion and making suggestions to make it better. I suspect very few to none.
Maybe stop updating it so frequently? That's when all the shenanigans really began.

Some companies barely have drivers out before the next version of the operating system comes out. Yes you can go ahead and say but they had full notice. And then remember to talking about Apple here and their secretive ways regarding changes and such.
 
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