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That's right...you chose a cash option. It's common practice in many areas to give a value of one amount for an item and another lower value for cash, because there's a difference between retail and wholesale values.

The lottery would be a good example in the USA. Win a kazillion dollars!!! (or $25.99 if you take the lump sum payout).

Actually, the lottery example is not wholesale vs. retail. The cash payout is the net present value (NPV) of the future cash flows. You can easily figure out the discount rate to see what kind of deal they are offering - whether it is the lottery or someone offering to buy your annuity. In general, you are better off with the yearly payments since you can always sell the annuity in the future, and the value from a 10 year annuity will probably not be far off from what you would get for a 20 year one plus you have 10 years of payments.

It seems reasonable that Apple offered you a credit at the current price towards other machines when you turned down the replacement; the replacement MB would essentially give you what you currently had (plus 5 more months of warranty). I am curious why you didn't go back to Best Buy when Apple diagnosed the problem as unfixable - they may have offered a better deal than Apple if you bought 2 monitors. As a side note, the purchase should have given you silver status in BB Rewards which gives a 90 day return window - which would have gotten you a full refund.
 
The root of this problem is that you didn't need the rMBP. I think someone that wasn't just buying something this expensive on the fly would notice instantly a $400 loss. I would have taken the replacement computer and not spent any additional money.
 
You chose a store credit for a store you didn't purchase the product from???

hmmm surely Apple would have been within their rights to turn you away with
your machine and a report to state it's beyond economical repair and you'd have to receive a refund / store credit for Best Buy?
 
You chose a store credit for a store you didn't purchase the product from???

hmmm surely Apple would have been within their rights to turn you away with
your machine and a report to state it's beyond economical repair and you'd have to receive a refund / store credit for Best Buy?

Yep, they would have.

They've done the op a massive favour by saving him the hassle of dealing with Best Buy (good luck getting a refund from them!).
 
I don't make large/expensive purchases at BestBuy.

Boy do I agree with xShane. I only deal with BB for minor purchases when I do not have a choice or it is an emergency. In my experience, BB will only cause you grief...

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Title of the thread is misleading...it should have read "Apple accepts a return purchased from Best Buy".
 
Was this outside of 30 days? Why didn't you just return it to BB if you had the receipt?
 
No, a credit is a credit. Still has to be used at the same place, for an item I have to buy there. Cash is a refund. Money in my pocket i can take to a competitor.

Okay...I'll say this slowly so you can understand the concept.

A
credit
is
equal
to
cash
because
it
has
the
same
value
.

I've already demonstrated that.

Now that said, I'm glad that some of you think that it's perfectly acceptable to (not) use a machine for 4 months. To suffer the aggravation of a machine that fails to do it's job. To no longer have faith that what you bought is capable of doing it's job. To take 8x 120mi round trips to an Apple store for service. then take a loss on a return. There's clearly a business model there that Apple has you firmly entrenched in. Enjoy.

Actually, I don't think anyone has said it was acceptable to go without your computer for months. It is unreasonable to have that happen. However, as has already been stated, the business model you should be complaining about is Best Buy. They sold you the defective product. They have your money. They were the party with which you entered the transaction.

Apple's obligation was to repair the product under the terms of the warranty. That is all. Other than the warranty, you don't have any contract with them - meaning you don't have obligations to them (except as outlined in the warranty) and they don't have obligations to you.

Best Buy would have handled the repairs on your behalf most likely, accepting the product and shipping it off for repair. No need for you to choose to travel 8x 120mi for trips to the Apple Store. That was apparently something you chose to do instead.

Apple offered to replace, instead or repair. They offered to ship you a new computer. You declined that offer, asking instead to pick up something else from the Apple product range. Fair enough.

As I've said already, the Apple rep certainly could have done a better effort to explain the terms of a retail credit, however it does not take away the fact that a retail credit is not going to get you the same value as a merchandise exchange. As previously explained, you're comparing the retail value of merchandise (let's say a $1699 computer) that has a retail markup (profit) of - for demonstration purposes only - $200. That means although you are getting $1699 of value (what you would normally pay for the item) although it only costs the retailer (or Apple, in this case) $1499 to provide that $1699 value.

Now, if they give you credit for $1599, it is costing them (and remember, they don't have your money...Best Buy does) more than it would to give you a brand new, replacement computer. If they give you a $1699 it is costing them even more.

The $1599 - which, as I have said several times, could have been better presented to you - has a higher value (when comparing wholesale to retail) than the replacement computer. And the replacement computer was equal to or greater than Apple's obligation to you under the terms of the warranty.

You got a defective computer. It happens. It wasn't intentional on Apple's part. Kinda like sometimes 747s get defective hydraulic lines. No level of quality control is going to pick that up.

Apple presented you with a reasonable option, and they went beyond that by allowing you to get something else instead - even though your transaction was with and your money was given to another company.

You just need to stop looking that gift horse in the mouth.
 
Boy do I agree with xShane. I only deal with BB for minor purchases when I do not have a choice or it is an emergency. In my experience, BB will only cause you grief...

-P

I don't get this.

I know it's "cool" to hate on best buy, and that laughing at the young sales workers is big on the Internet, but - I've made tons of purchases there and they've been nothing but great.

I've come in with broken tablets, iPods, with the geek squad warranty, and have had no problems at all. I've bought and made probably more than my fair share of returns (most recently going from 11 inch air, 13 mbp, to another 13 mbp, and finally 15inch mbp) - i had no questions asked, just simply stated I wasn't happy with the screen size.

I was even able to purchase the 11 mba for a total of $605 after discounts (open box, coupons, rewards) - I'm pretty sure that was cheaper than apple refurbished prices everyone was going crazy about on here, at the time.

Anyway, that's my experience. And in this threads place, keep in mind the OP was tying to return something nearly a half year later, - that's way out of even my premium silver return Window. However, if he bought the geek squad warranty, it sounds like he would of qualified for the "no lemon" clause and walked out with a brand new laptop, or store credit (which is what they gave me when I had to use it).
 
I don't get this.

I know it's "cool" to hate on best buy, and that laughing at the young sales workers is big on the Internet, but - I've made tons of purchases there and they've been nothing but great.

Agreed. If you ignore the upsells BB is great.

Not trying to bash the OP but if he knew the computer was defective when he first got it he should have returned it. Seems like common sense but maybe that's a poor man's logic. Because there is no way I would have kept my rMBP if ANYTHING was wrong with it. I guess some people have a lot money and don't care.
 
Agreed. If you ignore the upsells BB is great.

Not trying to bash the OP but if he knew the computer was defective when he first got it he should have returned it. Seems like common sense but maybe that's a poor man's logic. Because there is no way I would have kept my rMBP if ANYTHING was wrong with it. I guess some people have a lot money and don't care.


It didn't start having issues until after the 45 day window. From there it lived at Apple. Frankly? I've never had an issue whatsoever with BB. Avoid the upsell and add-ons, pay and leave.

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Okay...I'll say this slowly so you can understand the concept.

Now I'll type slowly so you understand.

re·fund
/riˈfənd/
Noun
A repayment of a sum of money, typically to a dissatisfied customer.


What does store credit mean?
Yahoo: It means they won't pay you back but you can use the cost against some other item. Usually you want to buy something else that is the same cost or a bit more to get the full credit.
Instead of flat out denying the return, they are doing what is called a good faith gesture in letting you get what you want provided you get it at their store.


Now let's take it one step further:

I recieved no money. I was offered no money. I had no option of a REFUND

Now, lets take this a step further. I paid $1999. I was offered a machine valued at $1699 as a store credit. I don't like it, but I understand it as the retail price dropped and I'm fine with that. What I object to, is subsequently spending $2000 and as a result only getting a store credit of $1599. It wasn't disclosed, it wasn't presented, it wasn't explained. THAT is what I object to. Not being able to be allowed to make an informed decision.

Is that clear enough?
 
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Best Buy is a lot closer than the Apple store, at least for me. And they're cheaper.
 
keep in mind the OP was tying to return something nearly a half year later, - that's way out of even my premium silver return Window.

4 months. 1/2 of which it lived at Apple. IIRC my Silver rewards window was 45 days at the time. It was also before the Xmas return window kicked in. I checked.

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Best Buy is a lot closer than the Apple store, at least for me. And they're cheaper.

5 miles round trip to BB. 120 miles round trip to Apple for me. Thanks.
 
It didn't start having issues until after the 45 day window. From there it lived at Apple. Frankly? I've never had an issue whatsoever with BB. Avoid the upsell and add-ons, pay and leave.



My apologies. I thought I read that the WiFi reception was defective from the first day you bought it. I don't know if I agree with you or with Apple in that case.

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Is returning the Displays and getting the 13" rMBP an option?
 
My apologies. I thought I read that the WiFi reception was defective from the first day you bought it. I don't know if I agree with you or with Apple in that case.

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Is returning the Displays and getting the 13" rMBP an option?

Certainly is an option, and was the direction I was proceeding.

That said...Dead issue. Apple just contacted me and offered to refund not the $100 difference, but the full $2000 I paid. Essentially trading the rMBP even up for the two Thunderbolt monitors.

Mods, you can close this fiasco :)
 
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