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Physical SIMs have one advantage anonymous burner voice/data. It's unlikely iPhones are used for this much anyway. eSIMs are more power efficient, and are actually quite easy to move around. It's likely apple really wants to release a portless phone. Iphone 14 gets the new fancy camera, iPhone 15 is most likely a full redesign.
 
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that would eliminate our beloved Dual-SIM feature which many people now got used to, being able to either use local sims when travelling or using one phone private and business without much hassle.

For me, this would have such a significant impact that I would refrain from buying a new iPhone (or two for that matter) as long as anyway possible.

If it's in fact Dual-eSIM... that could be somehow acceptable for business/private combo, but not for travelling... most still providers hand out physical SIM Cards.
It's is in fact Dual-eSIM, actually my current iPhone 13 Pro Max already supports Dual-eSIM.
 
Apple did. Verizon just has to support it. You click on transfer eSIM, couple options, bam it’s on a new iPhone. Slight problem is Verizon doesn’t support it, and many others don’t, even if they support eSIM.
Ah, I didn’t know that.

Yeah, if it’s that easy— I’m all for it!
 
Apple did. Verizon just has to support it. You click on transfer eSIM, couple options, bam it’s on a new iPhone. Slight problem is Verizon doesn’t support it, and many others don’t, even if they support eSIM.
How's that work on a broken phone when you want to move the SIM to your loaner phone? Physical SIM is just pop out from broke phone, pop in loaner and up and running.
 
Haven't gone through all 6 pages of this thread, so maybe someone noted this already: this could be the harbinger of a completely sealed phone. The SIM slot is one more point to remove to achieve this. So perhaps one of the iPhone 14 models will feature the completely sealed approach.
We were waiting for the adult to srep into the room. Charging top price and saving massive warranty costs (these built up over a ten year period) from having ”sealed units” when leaving the factory…
 
How's that work on a broken phone when you want to move the SIM to your loaner phone? Physical SIM is just pop out from broke phone, pop in loaner and up and running.
Ideally you sign into a carrier app and click get eSIM on the new phone. But again carriers have to support it first and many do not, even ones who support eSIMs.
 
I see this similar to the removal of the external memory port. I got used to it and all my data is now copied on the Cloud, but initially it was a real issue, in particular as the infrastructure was not so great.

Disparition of physical SIM will probably be a similar experience.
 
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Some people that are always complaining about technology replacing old habits will pretend it's not a good thing when in fact this will give us actually useful space in the iphone for better thermals and battery and make switching carriers more convenient.
 
For as long as there are speakers and physical buttons/switches, they will always be subject to water damage. Resistance is not the same as immunity.
Ask covid :p
 
I am all for the change, surely a transfer process will transfer sim data and you will just have to activate it
 
Easy to set up a new prepaid T-Mobile account with their app, very hard to transfer an existing prepaid account to eSIM without a lot of hassle and strong possibility you'll lose your old number in the process. Create a new account with the app and then try to port the old number and abandon the old account and whatever balance was on it. Too many horror stories of those who tried, sometimes people get lucky with CSR roulette and might get it to work.

That all may be so however, the post claimed prepaid eSIM wasn’t even available.
 


Earlier this week, a rumor from Brazilian website Blog do iPhone claimed that iPhone 15 Pro models might not have a physical SIM card slot in at least some countries and regions, but the change might happen even sooner.

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An anonymous tipster informed MacRumors that Apple has advised major U.S. carriers to prepare for the launch of eSIM-only smartphones by September 2022. The tipster shared a seemingly legitimate document outlining the timeframe for this initiative, although the document does not specifically mention Apple or the iPhone.

As part of the transition, some U.S. carriers will allegedly start offering select iPhone 13 models without a nano-SIM card in the box in the second quarter of 2022. iPhone 13 models sold at Apple Stores or on Apple.com already lack a nano-SIM card in the box, with users typically able to activate a cellular plan via eSIM by turning on the iPhone, connecting to a Wi-Fi network, and following the on-screen instructions.

Given the alleged September 2022 deadline, it is possible that Apple might remove the physical SIM card slot starting with some iPhone 14 models, rather than some iPhone 15 models as originally rumored, but nothing is definitive at this point.

An eSIM is a digital SIM that allows users to activate a cellular plan without having to use a nano-SIM card. It's worth noting that eSIM service is not available in all countries, so iPhones with a SIM card slot may remain available in some markets. Adoption is expanding rapidly, though, with over 100 carriers offering eSIM service worldwide and more planning to roll out support in 2022, including Three in the UK and Vodafone in New Zealand.

iPhone 13 models already support multiple eSIM profiles, allowing users to subscribe to several cellular plans digitally and switch between them, and this functionality could pave the way for the SIM card slot's removal in select countries.

Apple's former design chief Jony Ive once envisioned the iPhone as becoming a "single slab of glass," and the SIM card slot's removal would be another step towards a seamless design and improve water resistance in the process. Taking out the slot would also free up some valuable internal space in the iPhone — every bit counts.

Update: Leaker @dylandkt, who has a respectable track record with Apple rumors, tweeted that they are "in agreement with recent rumors regarding the removal of the physical SIM card tray."



Article Link: Apple Allegedly Preparing for iPhones Without SIM Card Slot by September 2022 [Updated]
Oh noes.

Where do I put the physical SIM card of our on-call Android phone?

Though I plan to use my current XR until 2024/2025-ish.
 
How will this work for someone who swaps between multiple phones?

I often change phones depending on the night or where i'm traveling to.
Popping a SIM card in/out takes less than 30 seconds.

Will this now require someone like me to call my carrier every night i want to change phones?
How long until the carrier flags me as "suspicious" because of the frequency of my calls?
 
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The biggest issue is on the carrier side. Charging people $35+ for changing their phone is a rip off. Being required to do it at a store is ridiculous. Certain restrictions they put in place to block a transfer. Terrible for the consumer and worse for the environment. Our politicians really need to crack down on the scummy business practices these companies put into place.
 
So... to change the carrier i will need both Apple and the carrier to agree with this? This is a competition authority issue if you ask me.
 
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The biggest issue is on the carrier side. Charging people $35+ for changing their phone is a rip off. Being required to do it at a store is ridiculous. Certain restrictions they put in place to block a transfer. Terrible for the consumer and worse for the environment. Our politicians really need to crack down on the scummy business practices these companies put into place.

Exactly. In Laos it is easy to buy a Lao SIM card but when you are right across the river from Thailand, the Thai SIM is better to call a number in Thailand because it will pick up Thai mobile towers. It's so easy to swap SIMs and you don't need any carrier's assistance to do it.
 
They already make multiple versions of each and have ever since the iPhone 3G.
Yeah but this is different. This is esim vs regular sim, and Apple has already shown to be unwilling to yield in that unless forced by local laws, like in China where they had to sell a very rare 2-physical-sim iphone because their laws prohibit the eSIM. So, what’s going to happen in countries where there is no prohibition but carriers insist on physical sims? Mexico would be a great example of this. Two of the main carriers appear on apple’s list as activating eSims, but in practice they really don’t because they never have the QR code cards in stock, and the other one -which is Mexico’s largest carrier Telcel- doesn’t even appear in the list and only activates eSIMs for the Motorola Razr. This makes Mexico pretty much a physical sim only country despite not there being a legal restriction. Would Apple release a physical SIM iphone in this and other similar countries?
 
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Yeah but this is different. This is esim vs regular sim, and Apple has already shown to be unwilling to yield unless forced by local laws, like in China where they had to sell a very rare 2-physical-sim iphone because their laws prohibit the eSIM. So, what’s going to happen in countries where there is no prohibition but carriers insist on physical sims? Mexico would be a great example of this. Two of the main carriers appear on apple’s list as activating eSims, but in practice they really don’t because they never have the QR cards in stock, and the other one -which is Mexico’s largest carrier Telcel- doesn’t even appear in the list and only activates eSIMs for the Motorola Razr. Would Apple release a physical SIM iphone in this and other similar cases?

Versions of the iPhone were - and are - sold in China without dual-sim capability - the XS (only the max got the dual physical sims), the 12 mini and the 13 mini don't have 2 physical sims in China. So they clearly aren't "forced" to provide that functionality by law.

Also, it's hardly a "rare" model.
 
Versions of the iPhone were - and are - sold in China without dual-sim capability - the XS (only the max got the dual physical sims), the 12 mini and the 13 mini don't have 2 physical sims in China. So they clearly aren't "forced" to provide that functionality by law.

Also, it's hardly a "rare" model.
They weren’t willing to make a dual-sim iphone. They had to make one for China because the local laws prohibit the use of eSiMs. And that model is rare because they only sell it in China, not elsewhere, so it’s a lot more difficult to get than the regular non dual sim models sold elsewhere. If you don’t think that makes the dual sim iphone a rare one, then please explain your definition of rare. On the other hand, Even if they sell the regular model with eSIM and physical SIM in China, the eSIM can’t be used there at all because by law the local carriers aren’t allowed to activate it, so it’s puzzling why apple is selling it there if that’s the case.
 
Interesting. I have yet to find a country that offers eSims for prepaid
Two of the three main carriers in Mexico do if you can find one of their stores that will have the QR code cards in stock (online eSIM activation isn’t available from any carrier in Mexico).
 
They weren’t willing to make a dual-sim iphone. They had to make one for China because the local laws prohibit the use of eSiMs. And that model is rare because they only sell it in China, not elsewhere, so it’s a lot more difficult to get than the regular non dual sim models sold elsewhere. If you don’t think that makes the dual sim iphone a rare one, then please explain your definition of rare. On the other hand, Even if they sell the regular model with eSIM and physical SIM in China, the eSIM can’t be used there at all because by law the local carriers aren’t allowed to activate it, so it’s puzzling why apple is selling it there if that’s the case.

They only sell it in China... a market where 5 million iPhone 13s were preordered on the first day and many websites crashed (including those that handle billions of dollars in sales on 11/11 flawlessly). Being difficult to make does not make something "rare".

There are multiple 10s of millions of these "rare" dual sim models floating around. The dual-SIM models are also sold in HK and Macao, two markets without the same rules...
 
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