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Apple Allowing Non-Developers to Apply for OS X Beta Program

chrfr said:
This is a hardware problem. No system update, beta or otherwise, will fix it.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4088
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i know that link. do you think it could be not hardware? how do you know?

like i mentioned, os x snow leopard seems fine. but, with mountain lion and mavericks, the KP's are constant. been runnin snow leopard for a day. ran Modern Warfare and it's a pretty extensive, intense FPS game and my computer didn't panic. i also installed final cut express 4 since i can't instal fcp x and i edited a test sequence, put filters on stuff and titles on purpose just for the test and it exported. i even logged and captured 1080 AVCHD footage from my camera and it worked fine. footage was 1080P so it's a high demanding high definition video that would surely work that dGPU. yet, no panic. not so far anyway. i will update if anything changes, but the apps i've mentioned hasn't caused any KPing. not even safari or chrome, whereas, it did with mountain lion and mavericks.

so, my question is, how do you know it's hardware? why is snow leopard working fine and the apps i've ran to test with didn't make my computer KP? i also am not getting glitches or artifacts in any of the OS's, just FYI, which would be a more obvious scenario of a hardware failure. what i have are KP attacks. but, not in snow leopard. and not with final cut express or modern warfare.

i will now install starcraft 2 and see if that does it.

any ideas?
 
bekiil said:
I only have ONE! request for Apple. Implement Norwegian spellchecking got damn it !!!
There is danish and swedish, close, but not the same.
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Or just use correct spelling yourself. You don't need machine to tell you what is right. This way you will get better at your own language. Don't be lazy :D :D :D :D :D
 
boecherer said:
but... per my post, even if they know about a bug, if they don't want to fix it, they won't. We'll see if things are changing for the better.
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Yes, I agree that this won't stop Apple from being selective as to which bugs they make the effort to correct. but in the other hand, some of the bugs prone to be found via the extra eyeballs being made available can be security flaws (or otherwise deemed harmful/worthy of their time). Overall it is a move that tends to yield positive results.
 
JarScott said:
I installed Apple's Beta Access Utility as a test and now the App Store is telling me to install the beta OSX. I no longer want to do this or have my Mac enrolled, how do I remove the Access Utility?
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I don't know, but you aren't forced to install the beta software. If it's a big deal, backup your stuff, wipe the computer and reinstall OS X.

And what do you mean by
as a test
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?
 
boecherer said:
but... per my post, even if they know about a bug, if they don't want to fix it, they won't. We'll see if things are changing for the better.
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That will be interesting indeed; there have been plenty of things that have gone for years unfixed. I haven't used OS X since Lion, but I'm assuming, for instance, the Open File in TextEdit service still doesn't work, right?
 
JarScott said:
I installed Apple's Beta Access Utility as a test and now the App Store is telling me to install the beta OSX. I no longer want to do this or have my Mac enrolled, how do I remove the Access Utility?
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What exactly did you think was going to happen when you installed the utility? It changes your App Store's update channel to include the beta updates.

My guess is that you have to go to the App Store preferences in the System Preferences area to disable the beta updates.
 
MartiNZ said:
That will be interesting indeed; there have been plenty of things that have gone for years unfixed. I haven't used OS X since Lion, but I'm assuming, for instance, the Open File in TextEdit service still doesn't work, right?
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What doesn't (or didn't) work right about it?
 
MikhailT said:
We'll have to wait and see, it doesn't make sense to have three completely different programs, it just spreads out their QA team too thinly.

In addition, AppleSeed is mentioned in this Beta Seed a few times. I have a feeling that Apple hasn't had the chance to migrate AppleSeed's database over to this new system yet and they'll handle that over time.
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Actually we don't have to wait, they already notified Appleseed participants that they are keeping that program and recommended that existing users not switch over to the new beta program. Appleseed has forums and a more detailed feedback app among other things that the new beta program isn't getting.
 
MikhailT said:
What exactly did you think was going to happen when you installed the utility? It changes your App Store's update channel to include the beta updates.

My guess is that you have to go to the App Store preferences in the System Preferences area to disable the beta updates.
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Yep. Done it. All sorted.

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ouimetnick said:
I don't know, but you aren't forced to install the beta software. If it's a big deal, backup your stuff, wipe the computer and reinstall OS X.

And what do you mean by ?
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As in...as a test.
 
chrfr said:
This is a hardware problem. No system update, beta or otherwise, will fix it.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4088
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also, just wanted to add, that I already got the giant bold red letters reading "FAILED" when i took my computer at the apple store. it then said in smaller size font about something to replace MBR. I guess MBR is logic board?

so, yeah, i already heard of this news.

what i need to hear is why, what and how. how is the hardware a problem. why is a logic board swap going to fix it if the logic board replacement has the same exact hardware as the old one and what is the problem of the hardware?

maybe i am wishful thinking, but, my hardware with snow leopard seems dandy. i don't know.

anyone?
 
JarScott said:
I take it that it would not be a good idea to replace one's only system with the beta?
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It depends. Imagine that someone wiped your computer and Time Machine backup right now. Your only choice was to reformat and start over, and you might even need to drive to a Genius to get help re-installing OS X. Would you lose anything important?

There are people who can say "no" to that. They're probably fine.
 
So what are the exact differences between the 3 programs? Maybe someone should create a comparison chart of what each program offers.

milo said:
Actually we don't have to wait, they already notified Appleseed participants that they are keeping that program and recommended that existing users not switch over to the new beta program. Appleseed has forums and a more detailed feedback app among other things that the new beta program isn't getting.
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All this means is more free beta-testers for Apple.

Considering the number of bugs from 10.9.0 that are still present in 10.9.2, I don't know how this will actually help, except that any UI changes will get leaked that much quicker.
 
This is good news. Apple needs all the testing help they can get.

iOS and OS X are so bug-ridden they need more people highlighting problems before they ship.
 
bushido said:
haleluhjia. no more "but u aint no dev" complains when u run into a bug and simply want to point it out on here
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And hopefully fewer "Why do you have to pay for software updates?" comments as well.

It's the dev tools and privileges, people, not the pre-release software. Just because the only reason you have a developer account is to show off that you can run early software on your device doesn't mean that everyone else who has one uses it only for that purpose...
 
any potential beta testers will be running this on a mid-2010 15" MBP w/ GT330m dGPU and 512mb of VRAM?

is that even advisable?
 
Freida said:
Or just use correct spelling yourself. You don't need machine to tell you what is right. This way you will get better at your own language. Don't be lazy :D :D :D :D :D
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Laziness isn't a factor if you have to write a lot of papers.

That being said, I have no idea how much they write in Norwegian or even English so that point may be moot.
 
I've been a beta-tester before, and I'm no developer - you just need to put up a good enough case to the right people. I felt Apple were generally ignoring the corporate world (Samba, Exchange, NFS, Active Directory etc.) and I was having all sorts of grief at work trying to make my rebel Mac behave nicely in with everything else in that environment. In the end I came to the conclusion that, while I did influence a few fixes, my productivity suffered too much while forcing myself to use buggy, in-development software so that I could find and report bugs accurately. I really do get the initial giddy feeling that you're playing with the latest and greatest, but do not underestimate how troublesome this can be. And even though you back up many times over, you do get to the point of no return i.e. it eventually becomes a monster job to revert to the previous OS X if you're unhappy with the beta stuff, so you just end up sticking with it. Of course on the flip side some of the cool new features are very helpful, but you *will* miss the stability of the old version.

It's not all fun and games - just saying...
 
This is such a stupid move by Apple... You're going to get some keen yet misguided people upgrading their primary computer to a new OS with no application support then complaining when nothing works and they can't work out how to revert to the stable OS. If this happens for iOS the problem will be compounded by the much greater number of non-tech savvy iOS users.

Sure, your gran won't be doing it, and those who do it will do so at their own risk, but things will go wrong and they will up blaming Apple for their stupidity. $99 isn't expensive as a developer fee and it acts as a deterrent from acts of stupidity.
 
Way I see it is if you're willing to take the risk of using a beta then why not try it out, I've been using the betas for some time now and have found them suprisingly stable just don't use on a machine you rely on for work, if anyone looses work or important dox it's their lookout the first step of the instructions is backup, Gotta say this is a good move for Apple, the more reports of issues you get the easier it should be to track them down, you used to only be able to get on the Seed program by invite hats off to them for opening this up just hope it applies to 10.10.:)
 
Hopefully this doesn't break my NDA :rolleyes: but the 10.9 DPs after 10.9.0 were almost complete waste of time. While they did fix some of the stuff I submitted, they still seem to be advancing at a snail's pace and barely any changes can be felt. They certainly haven't fixed a huge amount of problems that have been here since the earliest betas.

For anyone considering using the DPs, I would just stay with stable. It's one of the least exciting beta tests in the history of software development.
 
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