Maybe they could make iApps that actually are usefuel for something more than looking at a couple dozen photos or working on a couple minutes of movie. They are embarrasingly slow apps, and really should update them ASAP.
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i agree with steve that apple should not support wma and also not support other players. i think if other audio players want to take a stab at the mac marketshare they can produce their own plugin/software to work with itunes. why on earth would apple shoot itself in the foot by supporting other players.
Irrelevant. Ogg Vorbis is so marginal as to be nonexistent except among the tiny population of computer-audiophiles. Why should Apple add support for a format that is used for less than 1/10 of 1% of the audio that is out there. Similarly regardless of what M$ would have you think, WMA isn't that popular either and you have to pay M$ to get their decoder or reverse engineer it yourself. Not to mention the DMA issues. AAC may not be any cheaper from the point of view of people outside of the MPEG-4 group, but it is open, as is the DRM associated with it.
As other's have said, this is the whole point of capitalism isn't it? M$ is trying to do the same thing with WMA audio - the fact that more (far less popular) players also work with WMA is irrelevant. As Steve said, iPod is #1 in the audio player market and ITMS is the #1 download site. Yes, either could change, but you can bet that if need be Apple will just drop prices on the iPod.
As for the iPod vs Mac issue, they are very different beasts. If you want to play an mp3 on your iPod or on some other MP3 player, you can. If you want to run Photoshop, you have to have a different binary.
I think the M$ analogy was to make it easy for the M$-biased press to understand. As far as the "arrogance" goes, if he can walk the walk, he can talk the talk. 
Actually, I'm pretty certain that iTunes supports other audio players (at least it has in the past) it's the question if ITMS supporting other than AAC audio. Truthfully this isn't practical. WMA is a non-option (proprietary and supporting a competing codec is not good from a business perspective) and without DRM they can't sell music. So AAC it is (and it's nice that it and it's DRM are open - yes, AAC's DRM is open) and if other players want to support ITMS, I suspect they just have to get a license for AAC.
wma support in itunes and ipod
i think it would be a bad idea for apple to add wma support.
right now there is no "standard" compressed music format other than mp3. microsoft is pushing their wma format, which is proprietary. apple is pushing hte open aac format (with their proprietary drm attached). there's nothing stopping these other music services from using aac with their own form of drm, which would then work on the ipod or on itunes.
if apple were to add support for wma, then there'd be NO reason for anyone to make drm music available in any format other than wma.
what apple really needs to work on is getting other hardware manafacturers to support aac. sony claims to be doing this with their new psp device coming out next year. that is a GOOD thing.
i think it would be a bad idea for apple to add wma support.
right now there is no "standard" compressed music format other than mp3. microsoft is pushing their wma format, which is proprietary. apple is pushing hte open aac format (with their proprietary drm attached). there's nothing stopping these other music services from using aac with their own form of drm, which would then work on the ipod or on itunes.
if apple were to add support for wma, then there'd be NO reason for anyone to make drm music available in any format other than wma.
what apple really needs to work on is getting other hardware manafacturers to support aac. sony claims to be doing this with their new psp device coming out next year. that is a GOOD thing.
If AAC is not proprietary why would you need a license to use it? Do you have to pay for the license? Is this how other free codecs have you do, like mp3? If anyone knows the answers to these questions I would appreciate it.
Sometimes it sounds like Apple is the only one out there that can play AAC songs. That just sucks if true.
Sometimes it sounds like Apple is the only one out there that can play AAC songs. That just sucks if true.
I know, Jobs seems a little too cocky right now. Not that he has no reason to be, but he needs to watch his mouth.
Whoa, who said iMovie was "slow"? It's a great application! I've made some very, very nice movies on it.
However, iPhoto does need updating. I have a friend who is a professional photographer (digital), who uses iPhoto to organize his photos and Abobe Photoshop to edit. He'd love to use an Apple (i.e., iPhoto) application to organize and edit.
Otherwise, the iLife applications are great for what they are meant to do. Not everyone is a professional user.
hehehe...
i hope that this wasn't news to you? i think it's great that apple is finally kicking some tail. and i dont mind him telling everyone about it either.
AAC
Yes people need to buy a license to use the MP3 format, at least for encoders (not sure about playback devices/programs).
Do a Google search for
+MP3 +AAC +player
or
+MP3 +AAC +cell
and you will see that there do indeed exist 3rd party devices that play back AAC files (not sure about M4P).
AAC strikes me as an up-and-coming standard -- a number of planned phones and such coming out in the next year will support it.
Yes people need to buy a license to use the MP3 format, at least for encoders (not sure about playback devices/programs).
Do a Google search for
+MP3 +AAC +player
or
+MP3 +AAC +cell
and you will see that there do indeed exist 3rd party devices that play back AAC files (not sure about M4P).
AAC strikes me as an up-and-coming standard -- a number of planned phones and such coming out in the next year will support it.
iPhoto Weaknesses Acknowledged
Glad to see Steve Jobs acknowledge that iPhoto "has some pretty serious limitations".
Hopefully iPhoto 3.0 will finally SCALE to a large size digital library. Honestly, Adobe has a better product on Windows right now. Might not be quite as easy as iPhoto, but it rocks in terms of scale and organization, as well as touch up features.
Glad to see Steve Jobs acknowledge that iPhoto "has some pretty serious limitations".
Hopefully iPhoto 3.0 will finally SCALE to a large size digital library. Honestly, Adobe has a better product on Windows right now. Might not be quite as easy as iPhoto, but it rocks in terms of scale and organization, as well as touch up features.
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1. Steve may be arrogant but what great leader isn't? WMA support is superfluous at this point. Why help your competitors?
iTMS offers the least obtrusive DRM. Smart money is on avoiding Microsoft formats.
2. Equating something with being the "microsoft" of a genre is a simple metaphor people. Humans don't have skin that thin. Relax
3. Apple should be promoting Apple approved product. WMA, Ogg Vorbis etc are fringe codecs that aren't necessary from Apples current position. Competition always involves risk so there's no need in succumbing to pressure to conform to MS product while you're in the lead.
Apple's DRM is NOT open!
Yes, AAC is an open standard. And there are several Windows-based AAC players now (as well as good encoders, Nero for example).
But are you sure that Fairplay (Apple's DRM) is OPEN?? That's not what I understand. Right now, Apple has refused to let 3rd parties use their DRM. So only iPod's (or iTunes) can play iTMS songs.
The AudioTron from TurtleBeach would be one product that would be great if it could play iTMS songs, but Fairplay isn't THAT open....
Yes, AAC is an open standard. And there are several Windows-based AAC players now (as well as good encoders, Nero for example).
But are you sure that Fairplay (Apple's DRM) is OPEN?? That's not what I understand. Right now, Apple has refused to let 3rd parties use their DRM. So only iPod's (or iTunes) can play iTMS songs.
The AudioTron from TurtleBeach would be one product that would be great if it could play iTMS songs, but Fairplay isn't THAT open....
Interesting eh. I would agree - because he said "timeframes" (plural) it's more likely to be monthS than yearS. There's my linguistics training put to dubious uses.
And in yesterday's thread (is it okay to quote that?)
Yes he does support convergence! Just not like the Media Centre does it.
Hmmm ... "centre" vs "hub" ... I would guess a hub connects lots of parts which also stand on their own. In contrast to a computer replacing your DVD/VCR/Radio. He explicitly says people generally don't want to watch TV on their computer (though I imagine a computer on a desk in a bedroom would be at a good TV distance from the bed).
There's lots of things
. To start with there's room for a few things in the stereo rack. Someone mentioned Tivo, I agree totally. Or a DVD player that also streams iTunes and iPhoto would be nice (like this Divx/DVD hybrid).On the wilder side of "what else is there?" - How about the iPABX? (deliberately pathetic iNames continue!). An ad might read:
"Apple's iPABX is the new hub of your home phone system. Opening the box reveals the hub (a simple looking device with 2 incoming phone lines, a firewire port, and 4 handset extensions) and also 2 "iHandsets". The iHandset looks like a regular phone, with an iPod screen. Use your Address book to call friends, iChat buddies, or dial within your home (handsets & mac). Regular handsets can also be used for outside calls, iChat, & within-home calls.
The iPABX also gives you music on hold (via iTunes), and an answering service that integrates with your email - get your email, fax, and voicemail all in one place!. Phone in for your messages, or a subscription to .Mac allows you to check your voicemail from any web enabled computer.
Rumours of future functionality include wireless telephones integrated via the Airport base station or bluetooth, and video phones integrated with iChat."
There are many possibilities.
steve jobs is the man. he so artfully says every single line... lol
he's right about the money thing, how do they plan to stay in business? how are they making any money?
he's right about the money thing, how do they plan to stay in business? how are they making any money?
You could use iMovie in a pinch as an audio editor.
I just wonder - when pot is legalized, is Steve going to do keynotes completely baked?
I can see it now:
"Holy ****, this G8 completely spanks the Itanium 4!" (bends over laughing his ass off, then points at the PC -) "The G8's been done for two minutes and the ****in' PC is still going! What a piece of ****!" (completely cracks himself up; stumbles for the water bottle in order to compose himself).
edit: OMG, macrumors sensors dirty words. It' hard to do a pothead without dirty words.
But seriously, I don't think Steve Jobs would ever get high. He's not dumb. He's cocky, not dumb.
But that was hilarious, ClimbingTheLog! Hilarious.
