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Yikes, they have attracted 600 million customers... I wonder what their price plans look like?!
 
Now if Tim Cook could visit Japan and strike a deal with NTT DoCoMo, I'd be a happy camper. Softbank just doesn't cut it any more.
 
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Yikes, they have attracted 600 million customers... I wonder what their price plans look like?!

It's government run. If it's like any other government run company out there, chances are good they didn't get to where they are by being good... Take the post office for example.
 
I got family in india, and everyone wishes they could have/afford a iphone/ipad. Imagine if it became affordable, wow

India is a prime example of why even a billion subscribers don't count if they have low income. It took something like a year to sell 15,000 and they're still only up to a bit over 50,000 iPhones sold, IIRC.

A low priced iPhone is needed there and in China, where smartphone adoption is relatively small so far.
 
"Freedom" has no universal interpretation.

<rant>

Allow me to point out that you cannot be free period.

You are, at best, free from something.

You can be free from "the implications of a walled garden approach blablabal", or free from the clutter of Android, or both.

You gain freedom from your parents only to lose it to your spouse.

Your school, or your boss.

One big, corrupted mega party who lies all the time, or two, maybe three corrupted mega parties who lie all the time.

Or maybe none of the above, living in some remote, uncivilized region with no other people around, but you are not free from wolves, wild bears, drought and hunger.

Now, I live in Italy.

You see, people in the South at one point had to choose between supporting Fascism or Allied troops, who had support from Mafia, who had in Mussolini its worst enemy (the baldy slaphead in question saw Mafia as a menace to his absolute power).
Guess what? Nowadays they complain about Mafia and "American neo imperialism blah blah blah".

In essence "Freedom" is not really different from "having more rocks to throw at the opponent than he has".

The Chinese people don't exactly live in chains, nor the Chinese leadership is a dictatorship.

Compared to the EU or the good ol' U.S. of A. they just happen to think that to turn the poorest country in the world to an industrial and economic behemoth in a matter of 50 years you have to disregard the occasional guy who says "not in my backyard".

(And then there's rampant corruption and stuff, but if you think that we are free from it... well, disregard this post, okay?)

</rant>
 
India is a prime example of why even a billion subscribers don't count if they have low income. It took something like a year to sell 15,000 and they're still only up to a bit over 50,000 iPhones sold, IIRC.

A low priced iPhone is needed there and in China, where smartphone adoption is relatively small so far.

Agreed.

Also, one must remember that iPhone is inevitably undeniably a status symbol. Many people would chose it over a Nokia phone which almost all of the country buys.

If I'm not wrong, India has (probably had?) one of the biggest consumer base for Nokia devices. If Apple can get a cheaper iPhone in the market, Apple could generate more than 5M sales alone in the very first quarter. Apple just needs to start! :)
 
Apple is going to take over the world.

I don't know about you guys, but I can hardly wait. Imagine how much our live will improve!!

From a US citizen's perspective.... maybe Apple alone can make a big dent in the trade deficit with China!

Only Apple and Uncle Steve can save the US from becoming a second world nation in the near future. Every man, woman and child owes him a debt of gratitude for his selfless work to advance humanity.

and that, my friends, is the reason for an inexpensive iPhone.

If you can get 15% of that market. it's as large a Verizon's ENTIRE US user base.

That's a lot of apps. and a lot of iTunes. And lock in towards iPads and Macs.

And billions more dollars that they can't bring into the US because of avoiding taxes. They should move the whole damn company overseas and be done with it.
 
India is a prime example of why even a billion subscribers don't count if they have low income. It took something like a year to sell 15,000 and they're still only up to a bit over 50,000 iPhones sold, IIRC.

A low priced iPhone is needed there and in China, where smartphone adoption is relatively small so far.

Yes, but personal income is on the rise in China as it grows quickly (of course, this number is padded by the government). Still, the growing incomes and need to break into pre-paid markets are big opportunities for Apple.
 
Yes, but personal income is on the rise in China as it grows quickly (of course, this number is padded by the government). Still, the growing incomes and need to break into pre-paid markets are big opportunities for Apple.

Yup and yup. China has a ton of low income population but they also have very fast growing middle and upper class people who are able and willing to pay for what they perceive to be a status symbol.

BMW just reported that almost 30% of the global sales in the first half of this year was from China.(WSJ link) While I know many here want to downplay the notion of Apple's expansion into China, it's pretty ludicrous to suggest China isn't a big market with a massive growth ahead.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I can hardly wait. Imagine how much our live will improve!!



Only Apple and Uncle Steve can save the US from becoming a second world nation in the near future. Every man, woman and child owes him a debt of gratitude for his selfless work to advance humanity.



And billions more dollars that they can't bring into the US because of avoiding taxes. They should move the whole damn company overseas and be done with it.

I'm beginning to get a sense of despondency from you with little to do with Apple. Everything ok?

On the subject of averting US taxes, besides the "Double Irish" and "Dutch Sandwich" method, it seems Apple and many other companies are lobbying Congress to grant them a repatriation holiday where they would bring back money parked offshore and be taxed at a low rate of around 5%. Supposedly, the end result would translate to more jobs and other forms of domestic investment. In the past, such opportunities have been fraught with abuse due to the difficulty in or complete lack of oversight, but it is a start.

As for the U.S. companies avoiding foreign profit taxes, the top 10 according to Fortune and Bloomberg as of April 2011 are as follows:

1. General Electric (GE)
Untaxed foreign profit: $94 billion

2. Pfizer (PFE)
Untaxed foreign profit: $48.2 billion

3. Merck (MRK)
Untaxed foreign profit: $40.4 billion

4. Johnson & Johnson (JNJ)
Untaxed foreign profit: $37 billion

5. Exxon Mobil (XOM)
Untaxed foreign profit: $35 billion

6. Citigroup (C)
Untaxed foreign profit: $32.1 billion

7. Cisco Systems (CSCO)
Untaxed foreign profit: $31.6 billion

8. IBM
Untaxed foreign profit: $31.1 billion

9. Procter & Gamble (PG)
Untaxed foreign profit: $30 billion

10. Microsoft (MSFT)
Untaxed foreign profit: $29.5 billion
 
I'm beginning to get a sense of despondency from you with little to do with Apple. Everything ok?

I always sense that many here see themselves something akin to enlightened atheists trying to make cult members see the light. They won't stop until Apple users see the light and abandon Apple, or in their usual words, "stop being a sheep and make a rational choice not to drink the Steve Jobs Kool aid."

After living through a period where Microsoft got the bulk of geek hatred, it's interesting to see how Apple has become the new evil empire in a different way. But perception is a fragile thing that sometimes can change quickly.

Heck I even saw people praise Samsung as something of a bringer of justice against the evilness that is Apple. And we're talking about a company whose CEO almost went to the jail for a massive tax fraud and did all sorts of shady things on the side. I'm curious to see how Chinese consumers perceive Apple.
 
I always sense that many here see themselves something akin to enlightened atheists trying to make cult members see the light. They won't stop until Apple users see the light and abandon Apple, or in their usual words, "stop being a sheep and make a rational choice not to drink the Steve Jobs Kool aid."

While I have had little interaction with AppleScruff1, to date, our conversations have reflected common courtesy so I won't besmirch his reputation. However, I agree with you that, from what I've read of his posts here and there, he is not the biggest fan when it comes to :apple:.

As for many other MacRumor regulars who use even the smallest opportunity to throw barbs at Apple, you would think that for all their hate they would avoid anything Apple related including posting in a forum for a site called MacRumors. When I finally completely abandoned Palm after years of using their devices and with no hope of them turning things around, I also abandoned all of the Palm-related forums I use to frequent; I believe I can better make use of my time and, out of common courtesy, do not wish to tread on those that still love the Palm brand. Don't get me wrong, as I believe in constructive criticism of Apple on times when they deserve it and don't hesitate to post about things the company does of which I don't approve (ex. Watson). Besides, like any company, Apple needs feedback from their customer base. However, this forum is more for Apple-enthusiasts to share their opinion and not really to get Apple's attention.

Finally, you have "the haters" to whom you refer. They post in the forums numerous times a day, but even that doesn't get under my skin (except when their posts are hardly constructive - ex. "APPLE SUX!"). What does bother me is that they don't reserve their gibes for Apple but also direct them at anyone that uses Apple products. You won't find me habitually in the forums at winrumors.com or androidcommunity.com pissing on people's legs there for preferring their related products/brands.

After living through a period where Microsoft got the bulk of geek hatred, it's interesting to see how Apple has become the new evil empire in a different way. But perception is a fragile thing that sometimes can change quickly.

Heck I even saw people praise Samsung as something of a bringer of justice against the evilness that is Apple. And we're talking about a company whose CEO almost went to the jail for a massive tax fraud and did all sorts of shady things on the side. I'm curious to see how Chinese consumers perceive Apple.

It is an amazing turn of events, no? Even with 400,000,000 copies of Windows 7 sold and the third largest market capitalization in the US (and ~10th in the world), now many perceive Microsoft as an underdog. Meanwhile, many in the tech community look to open source and/or whatever Google is trying to pass off as open source these days (among them Cory Doctrow, Leo Laporte, and many of my friends) as the new bastion of purity. Apple's recent years of success and spearheading change by taking a stand against things like Flash and moving away from physical media has come at the cost of a lot of goodwill among a segment of the technorati (Ironic since many consider what makes Apple is a success is that it knows when to say "NO" when everyone else in the industry is screaming "YES."). It may also be human nature's predilection to see people fall once they reach the top. I think that we are already beginning to see signs that the bloom is off the rose when it comes to Google with many calling into question both their motives, hypocrisy and business practices, so I cannot agree more abut the cyclical nature of popularity perception. I've lately stopped listening to the color commentary from most avenues and now just look at Apple's earnings each quarter to see what is their true perception by the public. ;)

As for Samsung, you don't need to be a patent and trademark attorney to see TouchWiz is a blatant ripoff of iOS. Fragmentoid is going to get forked and then borked by its upset partners one day when they decide they don't want Google calling the shots. In some respects, it may have already begun. Now cue the malware.
 
While I have had little interaction with AppleScruff1, to date, our conversations have reflected common courtesy so I won't besmirch his reputation. However, I agree with you that, from what I've read of his posts here and there, he is not the biggest fan when it comes to :apple:.

As for many other MacRumor regulars who use even the smallest opportunity to throw barbs at Apple, you would think that for all their hate they would avoid anything Apple related including posting in a forum for a site called MacRumors. When I finally completely abandoned Palm after years of using their devices and with no hope of them turning things around, I also abandoned all of the Palm-related forums I use to frequent; I believe I can better make use of my time and, out of common courtesy, do not wish to tread on those that still love the Palm brand. Don't get me wrong, as I believe in constructive criticism of Apple on times when they deserve it and don't hesitate to post about things the company does of which I don't approve (ex. Watson). Besides, like any company, Apple needs feedback from their customer base. However, this forum is more for Apple-enthusiasts to share their opinion and not really to get Apple's attention.

Finally, you have "the haters" to whom you refer. They post in the forums numerous times a day, but even that doesn't get under my skin (except when their posts are hardly constructive - ex. "APPLE SUX!"). What does bother me is that they don't reserve their gibes for Apple but also direct them at anyone that uses Apple products. You won't find me habitually in the forums at winrumors.com or androidcommunity.com pissing on people's legs there for preferring their related products/brands.



It is an amazing turn of events, no? Even with 400,000,000 copies of Windows 7 sold and the third largest market capitalization in the US (and ~10th in the world), now many perceive Microsoft as an underdog. Meanwhile, many in the tech community look to open source and/or whatever Google is trying to pass off as open source these days (among them Cory Doctrow, Leo Laporte, and many of my friends) as the new bastion of purity. Apple's recent years of success and spearheading change by taking a stand against things like Flash and moving away from physical media has come at the cost of a lot of goodwill among a segment of the technorati (Ironic since many consider what makes Apple is a success is that it knows when to say "NO" when everyone else in the industry is screaming "YES."). It may also be human nature's predilection to see people fall once they reach the top. I think that we are already beginning to see signs that the bloom is off the rose when it comes to Google with many calling into question both their motives, hypocrisy and business practices, so I cannot agree more abut the cyclical nature of popularity perception. I've lately stopped listening to the color commentary from most avenues and now just look at Apple's earnings each quarter to see what is their true perception by the public. ;)

As for Samsung, you don't need to be a patent and trademark attorney to see TouchWiz is a blatant ripoff of iOS. Fragmentoid is going to get forked and then borked by its upset partners one day when they decide they don't want Google calling the shots. In some respects, it may have already begun. Now cue the malware.

Very well said. I have no doubt that you are an asset to the forums you frequent. You are mature and diplomatic with your interaction here. I'd give you the big thumbs up, but we don't have that icon here.
 
India is a prime example of why even a billion subscribers don't count if they have low income. It took something like a year to sell 15,000 and they're still only up to a bit over 50,000 iPhones sold, IIRC.

A low priced iPhone is needed there and in China, where smartphone adoption is relatively small so far.

Agreed, somewhat. I believe the biggest challenge in India is adequate infrastructure more so than average household income. There are a huge number of people in India that can afford a smartphone. However, while some cities are major hubs for technological advancement (ex. Bangalore, the Silicon Valley of India), large parts of the country do not have Internet penetration and/or still suffer from antiquated cellular data speeds resulting in less of an incentive for smartphones.

I also agree that Apple is leaving money on the table by not having a prepaid option which represents the most popular form of cellphone plan on the planet. You may have read that an analyst had a meeting with some high ranking Apple execs who addressed the matter by stating that they would only enter that market with an "innovative, category-killer experience." In the meantime, those on tight budgets will have to be served with the combination of a VOIP plan with a voicemail box (ex. Skype) and the 3G iPod Touch accidentally revealed a few weeks ago and to be sold this fall. As long as carriers allow VOIP on their networks (and many are beginning to), it is not a bad option.

Very well said. I have no doubt that you are an asset to the forums you frequent. You are mature and diplomatic with your interaction here. I'd give you the big thumbs up, but we don't have that icon here.

Thanks for the compliment! Hopefully, you and fertilized-egg can patch things up. I believe, like yourself, he lives in the U.S., so I cannot imagine he is promoting the success of Apple at the expense of the US middle-class. At least, that's how I interpreted his posts.

On the subject of Apple manufacturing being done overseas by inexpensive labor, a recent study was published on the matter of who profits most from technological devices. The study examined monetary compensation for everyone involved, from design (beginning) to retail (end), even those that transport the product between channels. Who actually makes out the least are the factory assemblers, while the engineers involved in design reap the most. In other words, if you take a single iPhone and remove pure profits, the lion share of the remaining price tag covering the expenses of getting the phone from blueprint to store shelf goes to the brilliant minds designing the product. Where are the majority of those people in this example? Cupertino, California. Unfortunately, when things like exports are reported, because a device from an American company is manufactured overseas, it is not included even though most of the net benefit is to us.

Similarly, if you look at countries with relatively low unemployment [exs. Germany (~6%), Switzerland (~2%)] and robust exports, they tend to be producers of highly complex items that cannot be produced by low pay, unskilled workers. Conclusion: to remain competitive, a country needs engineers and scientists, and the only way to get those is with good schools.

If it is any consolation, Foxconn, the Chinese company that makes many of Apple's products, has announced they will be replacing one million factory workers with robots and move some production to Brazil. Apparently, even low pay factory workers are not immune to globalization and can be collateral damage to technological innovation.
 
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