Apple and Google in 'Standoff' With UK Health Service Over COVID-19 Contact Tracing App

[weckart]

If UK testing is good and/or hospitals not over capacity, then why is the death rate so high? It‘s much closer to italy and spain than germany and the US.

Closer is being kind. The reported deaths are solely those occurring in hospitals. The best guesstimate of deaths in carehomes and outside of hospitals is at least another 7,500 taking us comfortably to Italy/Spain levels, where the latter two have peaked and are reporting fewer deaths and infections daily. Ours is just hitting peak, so we can expect a week more of near 1k deaths in hospitals daily. We may yet soon surpass Belgium as the worst death to population ranker once you filter out the small country outliers like San Marino.

 

[SaxPlayer]

We're talking about The Guardian, not some ****y tabloid.

Alright then, 2%

 

[mazz0]

I take your point, however I lost my faith in ANY British newspaper long ago and unfortunately adopt the default position of trusting nothing that they print. This stance applies to all newspapers, national, local, tabloid, broadsheet. It doesn’t matter. They’ve collectively done so much damage to the reputation of good journalism that I simply don’t care what paper it was in. I just fail to believe it as a matter of course.

Well, that’s a rather silly generalisation isn’t it?

 

[SaxPlayer]

Well, that’s a rather silly generalisation isn’t it?

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[chucker23n1]

What, your reply to my comment? Yes it is, rather. #ironic

Nah, your assertion is… incredibly broad. There's still a ton of great journalism going on, and you're feeding into a troubling "fake news" narrative.

 

[SaxPlayer]

Nah, your assertion is… incredibly broad. There's still a ton of great journalism going on, and you're feeding into a troubling "fake news" narrative.

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[Tech198]

This is a nightmare at its finest.

 

[chucker23n1]

I actually find that very insulting. I don't subscribe to the whole "fake news" agenda AT ALL and I find your assumption that I do deeply offensive.

I mean, you're the one brushing off all of British newspaper journalism as not trustworthy. Yet I'm the insulting one?

Do feel free to clarify: is it specific to Britain? Is it specific to newspapers? Are German newspapers fine? Is British TV fine?

 

[SaxPlayer]

I mean, you're the one brushing off all of British newspaper journalism as not trustworthy. Yet I'm the insulting one?

Do feel free to clarify: is it specific to Britain? Is it specific to newspapers? Are German newspapers fine? Is British TV fine?

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[chucker23n1]

You clearly didn't read my original post properly which considering you're banging on about reading things is doubly ironic.

Someone else said it's a "rather silly generalization", and you don't agree with that. It's my read as well, though.

Here's what you wrote:

"I take your point, however I lost my faith in ANY British newspaper long ago and unfortunately adopt the default position of trusting nothing that they print. This stance applies to all newspapers, national, local, tabloid, broadsheet. It doesn’t matter. They’ve collectively done so much damage to the reputation of good journalism that I simply don’t care what paper it was in. I just fail to believe it as a matter of course."

So, I guess I'll ask again: does that also apply to other British media? Does it also apply to non-British newspapers?

 

[Falhófnir]

Someone else said it's a "rather silly generalization", and you don't agree with that. It's my read as well, though.

Here's what you wrote:

"I take your point, however I lost my faith in ANY British newspaper long ago and unfortunately adopt the default position of trusting nothing that they print. This stance applies to all newspapers, national, local, tabloid, broadsheet. It doesn’t matter. They’ve collectively done so much damage to the reputation of good journalism that I simply don’t care what paper it was in. I just fail to believe it as a matter of course."

So, I guess I'll ask again: does that also apply to other British media? Does it also apply to non-British newspapers?

Broadcast news outlets are much more heavily regulated for bias by OFCOM, so generally if it's on TV it's at least somewhat objective. With newspapers, very much including the Guardian, there's such an editorial agenda behind everything they print, that it's very difficult to extract the non-biased news story from any given article. Pretty much a structural achilles heel if you're looking for properly, neutrally reported news stories.

 

[chucker23n1]

Broadcast news outlets are much more heavily regulated for bias by OFCOM, so generally if it's on TV it's at least somewhat objective.

OK.

If AJClayton wants to make that argument, I'm not sure why they don't just do so.

With newspapers, very much including the Guardian, there's such an editorial agenda behind everything they print,

I mean, come on. You wanna tell me Murdoch-owned Sky News doesn't take any chance they get to editorialize?

 

[weckart]

People don't want unbiased, unvarnished news. Just bias confirmation. Everything else is fake news. Here endeth my generalisation, since those are all ok.

 

[Falhófnir]

OK.

If AJClayton wants to make that argument, I'm not sure why they don't just do so.



I mean, come on. You wanna tell me Murdoch-owned Sky News doesn't take any chance they get to editorialize?

Well that's rather my point, Comcast-owned Sky News is on a much tighter leash on neutrality, they don't get the chance to put a spin on stories like a newspaper does. You will almost always see both sides of the argument being made by two guests in any pieces they run. Most everything printed in a newspaper will be heavily spun either to the editors perception of what the paper's stance on an issue is, or to the individual writer's if it's an opinion piece.