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Smart move by both parties. I think Intel is seeing the market change and while I'm sure they would like to see it change towards chips they themselves design, they are smart to hedge their bets. Apple is smart to look to source multiple production vendors.

This was a deal that was only waiting on Intel.

They have started to realize how the post-PC era is really going to look for them.
Being a contract manufacturer is not the dream solution for Intel, but given their expertise and fab capacity, no one else can do what Apple needs.

Crazy, but Apple could be their number one priority customer before too long.
 
I would think that Apple would be negotiating with every chip supplier at all times. That's how businesses work, evolve, and succeed. This is a non-story.
 
why would it seem like making any deal between supplier xxxxxx and Apple would be like making a deal with Satan? I say that because this makes me think of how bad Walmart puts the squeeze on all their suppliers.

As much as I love Apple products, it seems like Apple would be the Walmart in this case.

If they "roll back" their prices you'd have a point:)
 
I hope so, x86 has been the slowest and most unproductive arch of the 21st century. Look at how cutting edge intel has been since Apple signed on with them. 3 years and still waiting on something other than menial bumps for the macpro, why because of intel's lack and or desire to raise any bar. although no need to when your a monopoly.

I'm fairly certain this is Apple's fault and not Intel's. Sandy Bridge E has been around for some time. Ivy Beidge E is around the corner.
 
Well played, Intel!!

Hmmm...bone Samsung, get access to ARM tech, strengthen strategic relationship with Apple, make more money - All at the same time! At the same damn time!!!
 
You know I am surprised there isn't more of a push for OSX bootable ipads. I see so many professionals with keyboards using the ipad more like a laptop these days. I would think it would be a huge user benefit to be able to run real programs on a tablet - sure it may be a little early but that is where we are headed.

I understand Apples reluctance to do it since it would eat into laptop sales but I think the ipad already is.

Steve Jobs:

“If you don’t cannibalize yourself, someone else will”


iPhone did it to iPod, iPad did it to macs, and iPad mini is doing it to iPad. Apple, unlike many other companies, is not afraid of cannibalizing itself. But I really don't see OSX on a tablet in the near future. Using it with touch would not IMO, be a great experience.
 
I think Apple had wanted to work with Intel in the past for ARM chips. Intel always said no to others using it's foundries for non-Intel designs... at that time wanting companies switch to Atom. I guess they are changing their thinking.
If true, it's good for Apple since it's less risk to work with companies like TSMC and Intel than direct competitors.
 
why would it seem like making any deal between supplier xxxxxx and Apple would be like making a deal with Satan? I say that because this makes me think of how bad Walmart puts the squeeze on all their suppliers.

As much as I love Apple products, it seems like Apple would be the Walmart in this case.

I don't really follow your logic. No one puts a proverbial gun to these supplier's heads. If they can't work a deal they have no obligation to enter into an agreement. But companies like Apple and Walmart do have greater "purchasing power" because of who they are, their size, their deep pockets. Usually companies do want to supply them, and will sell at lower margins because the volume is greater, and the odds of getting paid favorable. And for start ups the visibility being in Walmart is PR you just can't buy. Once you are in Walmart nationwide other retail wants your product too.

Specifically to Intel, they are a big company. I'm sure they can handle Apple.

You do realize most U.S. gov'ts from munis to the feds do many of their contracts based on lowest bid by GSA or similar qualified contractor. Not sure how that is any different than how private companies do business.

I think your issue is not with Apple or Walmart, but capitalism, and that's a different topic.
 
Steve Jobs:

“If you don’t cannibalize yourself, someone else will”


iPhone did it to iPod, iPad did it to macs, and iPad mini is doing it to iPad. Apple, unlike many other companies, is not afraid of cannibalizing itself. But I really don't see OSX on a tablet in the near future. Using it with touch would not IMO, be a great experience.

I agree but I think the ideal way to use it would be similar to an imac - the ipad is your screen/cpu and you use peripherals (mouse/keyboard) which many are doing with an ipad already. Then when you are on the go, the OS switches to iOS - so you basically get both experiences. Who knows what the best way to do it is, but I can see tablets going down that road.
 
I agree but I think the ideal way to use it would be similar to an imac - the ipad is your screen/cpu and you use peripherals (mouse/keyboard) which many are doing with an ipad already. Then when you are on the go, the OS switches to iOS - so you basically get both experiences. Who knows what the best way to do it is, but I can see tablets going down that road.

I suppose we will all have laptop/tablet hybrids in a few years. I like your concept.
 
Great idea. With Google funneling billions to the Koreans (Samsung), Apple would do well to keep things American as much as possible. Good business move, good PR move.
 
I hope so, x86 has been the slowest and most unproductive arch of the 21st century. Look at how cutting edge intel has been since Apple signed on with them. 3 years and still waiting on something other than menial bumps for the macpro, why because of intel's lack and or desire to raise any bar. although no need to when your a monopoly.

No, If you want to give an arch that title, it is most certainly not x86. The macpro is a terrible example considering that there are much much newer and faster chips available, it is apple that is dragging it's feet on the macpro, not intel. Also, it is of note that it's getting harder and harder to eek out more performance from silicone. Each time the process gets smaller it's harder to make the next jump. Arm has been making amazing strides in the last 6 years, but x86 has also made huge strides in that time.
 
Would they still be using ARM architecture designs?

There's the rub... Intel wants the patents to the A series chip. or use its chip as a foundation

And why is everyone talking bout "the downfall of Samsung".. YOU GUYS ARE STUPID
 
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I would think that Apple would be negotiating with every chip supplier at all times. That's how businesses work, evolve, and succeed. This is a non-story.

It's not a "non-story" for two reasons
1) It's Intel
2) It's Apple and Intel

The concept is sound business, the entities involved however ...
 
No, If you want to give an arch that title, it is most certainly not x86. Also, it is of note that it's getting harder and harder to eek out more performance from silicone. Each time the process gets smaller it's harder to make the next jump.

It gets harder and harder for intel to eek out more performance because its still never learned to work outside of x86. There are 4 and 5ghz cpu's out right now and have been for years yet Intel keeps on selling you on gimmicks like colossal die shrinks that yield nothing but a smaller die. You've been buying the same 2.5-3.3ghz dual and quad core cpus for the last 7 years.
 
Intel is currently working at 22nm for Haswell. Samsung is way off the pace - the A6 chips currently in use in the Iphone 5 are made by Samsung using a 32nm process.
If Apple can get Intel to make its A series chips using the 22nm process that is a huge gain in terms of the processing power and energy consumption.
This could result in a significant jump in performance for the iPhone and iPad

This. Intel can take care of manufacturing and Apple can concentrate on design. And having a world class manufacturer helping Apple tweaking a design is a huge plus.
 
It gets harder and harder for intel to eek out more performance because its still never learned to work outside of x86. There are 4 and 5ghz cpu's out right now and have been for years yet Intel keeps on selling you on gimmicks like colossal die shrinks that yield nothing but a smaller die. You've been buying the same 2.5-3.3ghz dual and quad core cpus for the last 7 years.

This is true...

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This. Intel can take care of manufacturing and Apple can concentrate on design. And having a world class manufacturer helping Apple tweaking a design is a huge plus.

At a cost

let me put it to you this way...

Chips from samsung= PC prices vs Chips from Intel= Mac prices

And where you think Apple is going to offset the cost for this more advance and more expensive chips??
 
TSMC can't be too happy to hear about this. I think they were hoping to pickup the foundry work from Samsung. Or maybe Apple is talking to Intel as a way to bargain with TSMC on their margins.
 
why would it seem like making any deal between supplier xxxxxx and Apple would be like making a deal with Satan? I say that because this makes me think of how bad Walmart puts the squeeze on all their suppliers.

As much as I love Apple products, it seems like Apple would be the Walmart in this case.

You're exactly right, but it's not something you (or I) should be concerned about unless we're one of the suppliers. It's Apple's job as a corporation to legally use their position in the market to maximize shareholder return. The suppliers should be keen enough in business to make logical and sound business decisions as to whether working with Apple makes sense to them.
 
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