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Actually, I have visited the discussion forums at Apple a lot. All of those, besides the Mail certificate thing, are getting heavy discussion over there. Especially the wifi dropouts. I returned my first Macbook thinking it was just the computer. But its happening again. Sure enough when I try to replicate the problem at the Apple store, nothing is wrong...

You really shouldn't have to replicate the problem. If you can't replicate it at the store then just tell them it is a problem that is intermittent and you want them to send it in for repair. If they refuse then speak with the manager and be firm. I doubt they would refuse though.

If the store keeps giving you problems, just go around them and call Applecare directly and tell them you have a hardware problem so they don't try to sell you the extended warranty if you don't want it.

If Applecare calls you to ask you questions about your problems tell them they are intermittent and for the most part they will replace the part in question even if they can't replicate the issue.

Overall, over the years I have had really decent experiences with Apple customer care and geniuses (nothing as great as say Nintendo but better than most computer companies) but like all customer care departments they have their S&Ps to follow and sometimes you have to be firm. Make sure you get them to fix all of your problems if you go to the genius bar (both hardware and software).
 
No they don't have any direct say in the matter, but they do however have plenty of $'s to leverage the outcome.
Do you mean in the form of buying Yahoo themselves? Because that can't happen. Besides, MS also has plenty of $'s to get what they want. But here's an article on how Ballmer plans to "attack" Google, with or without Yahoo.Link
 
You really shouldn't have to replicate the problem. If you can't replicate it at the store then just tell them it is a problem that is intermittent and you want them to send it in for repair. If they refuse then speak with the manager and be firm. I doubt they would refuse though.

If the store keeps giving you problems, just go around them and call Applecare directly and tell them you have a hardware problem so they don't try to sell you the extended warranty if you don't want it.

If Applecare calls you to ask you questions about your problems tell them they are intermittent and for the most part they will replace the part in question even if they can't replicate the issue.

Overall, over the years I have had really decent experiences with Apple customer care and geniuses (nothing as great as say Nintendo but better than most computer companies) but like all customer care departments they have their S&Ps to follow and sometimes you have to be firm. Make sure you get them to fix all of your problems if you go to the genius bar (both hardware and software).
Well I can't imagine that both of the laptops were flawed. Remember this is my second MacBook with the same problem. I returned the first one, which was bought before Leopard came "pre-installed" on it, but did receive a install disk. I thought maybe something went wrong with installation, so did it again. No luck. So I have to go with Leopard itself. Besides, there's a 10-page, 5,000+ view thread over there on the Apple discussions about it, so hopefully they are aware of the problem.
 
Well I can't imagine that both of the laptops were flawed. Remember this is my second MacBook with the same problem. I returned the first one, which was bought before Leopard came "pre-installed" on it, but did receive a install disk. I thought maybe something went wrong with installation, so did it again. No luck. So I have to go with Leopard itself. Besides, there's a 10-page, 5,000+ view thread over there on the Apple discussions about it, so hopefully they are aware of the problem.

Hum...Must be specific to Macbooks... My iMac certainly has no problems with Wifi
 
Being not in the Search business, does not make them want to be in the Search business... Who wouldnt want to be the next Google...

and they have had some great success with Search on the desktop...

Haha, I don't think Apple would want Yahoo because they are not in the search business.

But if they did buy Yahoo I would love to see them rebrand it .Mac!!!
 
This forum is a little biased, but I think it is safe to say that People Hate Microsoft. I am waiting to see a pie chart on CNN which says what percent of people hate Microsoft. In a way, it's similar to the lack of love for your electric company. People just don't like "utilities"! :)

I have used Yahoo! practically forever and always thought they were a little MS biased, but put up with it. Similar to FoxNews and CNN. I liked FoxNews better, but since you had to have WMV to watch video on Fox for the longest time, I just watch CNN with my Liberal filter set to high. I would drop my Yahoo! homepage and email in a blink if MS took control.

I really doubt that the SEC would ever let MS or Google purchase Yahoo! It would have to be third party folks like Apple or VZ or ATT or eek AOL :). Personally, I'd like to see Apple stay out of it because they have a great relationship with Google.

I fear this will be a milestone in the history of the Internet. I hope things are less "giant company owned" in the future!

From a schadenfreud (sp?) standpoint, it would be interesting to see how quick MS can reduce an iconic 14,000 person company to insignificance... :(


Thats funny. And here I was thinking most news channels (including CNN) were pretty balanced and Faux news was unbelievably biased and sensationalist.

CNN
Anderson Cooper - confused :p
Lou Dobbs - center/populist
Glen Beck - conservative

Fox News
Bill Oreilly - right wing "lying sack of ****"
Sean Hannity - right wing nutjob
Brit Hume - conservative
Neil Cavuto - conservative
Greta Van Susteren - mentally deficient
 
If apple gets yahoo i think they will be able to turn it around quite quickly. I also think that if they get Yahoo they will change it massivly and make it a lot better than it is. It will be great if apple buy them!:cool:
 
THAT IS AWESOME!

Google wants to help fend off Microsoft!?!? Could you imagine if google just gave Yahoo money to support themselves? It is like promoting the competition.

You mean like when Microsoft bailed Apple out in the 90s
 
Clearly even in our own Macrumors paradise (where we know Apple isn't perfect but we are grateful that they are trying to be) we are again heavily under siege from endless Microsoft PR people coming in masquerading as mac users and posting their Micro-centric FUD.

Half of what they say might be half true but really the bottom line is that we already made a free choice to avoid Microsoft's sh*t technology - so please Microsoft PR people - b*gger off and don't come to our patch and spread your vile garbage about how amazing Microsoft really is and how we all got it so wrong.

This, on it's own, is enough evidence to me that 90% is not enough for them - they want it ALL - and are clearly willing to attempt to discourage even the 'heart and minds' of mac users.
 
Hey hey surferfromuk, I gather that comment was about my little quip, please, dont take it too seriously!

I was merely making a sly little comment about the $150 million worth of non-voting stock M$ aquired in 1997 to keep Apple afloat and thus avoid the anticompetative watchdog - and the irony that in a post lauding the possibility of Google doing roughly the same thing for Yahoo, the poster decries the company that did this for our beloved Apple
 
I think most of you are missing it all.. It's not about Flickr or messenger. It's the Search, Ad revenue and traffic that is the big deal for anyone buying them.
 
What I would like to see is Apple and Google go halves. Now THAT would be good.

Apple, Google AND Yahoo! all against Microsoft, all in one big partnership. Yahoo! could be the official binding between Apple and Google. Three very big companies with a lot of presence in the world being brought together....
...Now imagine all of those combined together... Microsoft could be defeated.

So by buying a sinking search engine with google, Apple can "defeat" a software company?

Flickr with Mac only software to let you do editing on your Mac - or even an integrated iPhoto system like iMovie and Youtube. Yahoo! search improved to make it as powerful as Google's... and so on. In the end, Microsoft would eventually become so powerless.

Think of iTunes, and as stated by someone else, .Mac. In all reality, anything thats Mac only is never an attraction.
Say you only had a windows PC. You see someone with an iPod, that only works with a mac version of iTunes. Why would you want to buy a new computer to just use an MP3 player?
Same idea here.

People will think "Well, I can do ____ on a Mac for free, but I can't on a PC... so why should I buy the next version of Windows when I can buy a Mac Mini for the same price?"
Reason one: "Well I can do ____ for free on an expensive mac, I can't do it for free on a cheap Windows computer, or I can do it for free on a free OS Linux computer".
Free and Mac rarely go hand in hand.

All these companies are already dying to run OS X on their machines (Dell even openly admitted it).
Then we'll have the same problems with OS X as they do in Windows. In all reality, Windows isnt that bad. Its just Dell, HP, Compaq, Acer, Gateway, MDG, eMachines, Sony, etc craplets and bad 3rd party drivers

This is one thing that Apple should not become involved with
 
Hey hey surferfromuk, I gather that comment was about my little quip, please, dont take it too seriously!

I was merely making a sly little comment about the $150 million worth of non-voting stock M$ aquired in 1997 to keep Apple afloat and thus avoid the anticompetative watchdog - and the irony that in a post lauding the possibility of Google doing roughly the same thing for Yahoo, the poster decries the company that did this for our beloved Apple

Aimed at Sirus28 actually - seemed far too coincidental that this person pops up two days ago with so much Microsoft propaganda and so vehemently anti-mac.

He was basically firebombing both the 'MY-Yahoo merger' threads with Microsoft FUD - for 'google search' purposes I guess - such attempts at 'information control' are almost orwellian...

I mean I never go into a Microsoft forums and start barraging them about the greatness of Apple so I really didn't need it here.

All that crap about Safari only displaying 30% of the page in text format and his macbook dropping out wi-fi like it was some kind of 'normal expectation' (I have a 2.2 Ghz macbook ( and an iMac) myself so I know it's crap.
 
I think history will show that Microsoft has peaked and has started on the long slide down. Vista's introduction (or lack thereof) has been a disaster for them. Ironically, in the 1980's Microsoft became dominant because it was small enough and responsive enough to do what IBM couldn't. Now Microsoft has become the bloated corporate elephant, with an outdated corporate structure and a customer base that insists it remain compatible with ancient legacy code. How many actual new products does Microsoft now introduce in a year? One? Maybe two?

To draw a rough comparison with the Auto Industry, Microsoft today is the Ford of 1920. They have dominated the market and nobody else has been able to catch them. Between 1920 and 1940, through efficiency sheer volume, Ford drove almost 200 competing car manufacturers out of business. It took 20+ years, but Ford's competitors finally got their acts together and started adding features Ford didn't offer, drawing serious attention and respect for the first time. That's the stage Apple is in right now. After 20+ years of being a minor player (in terms of overall sales volume) Apple is finally making serious inroads into the markets previously clenched by Microsoft -- because Apple offers features that Microsoft just doesn't have. It may take another generation, but if Apple can keep focused and keep its momentum going they will come to dominate their market too.

Whether it's cars of computers, the consumer usually makes a couple of bad decisions before they make right one. :apple:
 
Aimed at Sirus28 actually - seemed far too coincidental that this person pops up two days ago with so much Microsoft propaganda and so vehemently anti-mac.
Aww. So much hostility. It hurts. Where have I shown to be anti-mac, or anti-apple at that? Give me some links... I say owning a MacBook + iPod touch is proof enough that im not anti-apple. You, however, have all but admitted you are anti-Microsoft. Remember saying this?
surferfromuk said:
In short, we can dream can't we - of a world free from Microsoft's desktop tyranny, incompetence and bully boy business tactics ?

If Steve Jobs had not been kicked out of Apple in 85 we'd have seen OSX Leopard in 1995 and we'd be on OSX 20 by now - that's the difference - the world lost out cos Microsoft got given the whole thing on a plate - for free.

He was basically firebombing both the 'MY-Yahoo merger' threads with Microsoft FUD - for 'google search' purposes I guess - such attempts at 'information control' are almost orwellian...
Or maybe the post interest me? Me, unlike you, can appreciate what Microsoft has done. And the fact that Yahoo is my home page helps too.

I mean I never go into a Microsoft forums and start barraging them about the greatness of Apple so I really didn't need it here.
This isn't a Apple forum. The site is called MacRumors. And considering the fact that I own a MacBook and iPod touch... So I would expect some Mac Rumors to be going on, not people [you] bending down licking Apple's feet.

All that crap about Safari only displaying 30% of the page in text format and his macbook dropping out wi-fi like it was some kind of 'normal expectation' (I have a 2.2 Ghz macbook ( and an iMac) myself so I know it's crap.
Let me direct you to this thread:LINK

Or maybe PC world? Link

How about Gizmodo? Link
 
No hostility - peace be with you brother - I genuinely hope you get your mac problems sorted out cos it's really is a shame that your not enjoying it.
:)
 
Huh? Google let Microsoft get away with what? I can't imagine Google has any say what-so-ever in these agreements.

I honestly can't imagine google wanting microsoft as their competitor in the search engine market.
 
Apple: Please don't buy Yahoo! you cannot compete with Google in Searches.
Google: Now is your chance, if you wish... or something... I can't stand having M$ extend their monopoly AGAIN.
 
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