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Didn't say it was good or bad, its just how Samsung does business.

Copy, get sued, fight fight fight, loose, appeal, loose, settle just before settling slapped with huge court ordered fine.

Samsung can easily afford the fine.

I'm curious why you think this is about Samsung wanting to settle. Just because an article said that's their SOP, doesn't mean they initiated the settlement.

Also - slimy or not (that's a matter of opinion) - if it's a business practice that has worked for them, there's no reason or incentive to do otherwise.
 
And Steve Jobs didn't want an iPad mini. SJ wasn't always right.

I bet he did not want a iPad mini because he knew it would put a dent in the more profitable full size iPad. But then again I would have paid a $100 premium for a larger iPhone 5 2 years ago. Charging $300 on contract today for anything under 5.5" is crazy if the rumors are true.
 
Hopefully this will happen, both companies probably spent more money in lawyer fees/court costs then what either ever gained.

Doubt it. Didn't Apple get a billion dollars out of Samsung? These cases are big, but I doubt the legal fees get higher than the 10s of millions per year for any one case. Samsung's claims were obviously a waste of time. But I bet Apple made money off this.
 
I bet he did not want a iPad mini because he knew it would put a dent in the more profitable full size iPad. But then again I would have paid a $100 premium for a larger iPhone 5 2 years ago. Charging $300 on contract today for anything under 5.5" is crazy if the rumors are true.

All true. But smaller and cheaper Android tablets took a sizeable dent out of the iPad market anyway. By the time a $300 on contract 5"-something iPhone 6 comes along I will probably be ready to move on from Apple anyway. After years of being told "I'm wrong" and "Apple is right" it's time to move on.
 
One can only assume that Apple had a closer look at the S5 and thought "Pfft, is that the best they can do!? Pathetic! With the new iPhone 6 we'll go medieval on their a**es!" and then went to make plans for settling with them...
 
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I am hoping that Apple are clearing up these lawsuits immediately so that they can become more vocal in the emerging patent reform discussions.

Apple seem to me one of the most important voices, but whilst they have lawsuits in progress anything they say on the issue becomes confused, if they can even talk openly at all.

Much better to start afresh like this, and then really get some good ideas on the table on how patents can be made to work better.
 
Let's hope the agreement is the foundation for UPFRONT, proper licensing agreements in the future. That will be the only gain from all of this. The court's inability to block sales of the infringing products is proof that this patent system has no teeth. As has been said over and over - copy a successful product, make tens of billions, pay a billion in fines, profit. It's a slap on the wrist and only encourages future violations. Maybe the out-of-court agreement will have more of an impact on Samsung's practices - at least toward Apple.
 
Samsung can easily afford the fine.

I'm curious why you think this is about Samsung wanting to settle. Just because an article said that's their SOP, doesn't mean they initiated the settlement.

Also - slimy or not (that's a matter of opinion) - if it's a business practice that has worked for them, there's no reason or incentive to do otherwise.

To you and me a million dollars is a lot of money. To a company like Apple and Samsung they could spend that much each day in keeping the lights on in all their offices around the world.
And I don't expect Apple to make a ton of money off the deal because there are more capable Android OEM's out on the market today as compared to 2 years ago. Samsung's slice of the Android pie will shrink. The Chinese could over take both Samsung and Apple with powerful and cheap phones that cost over half as much. All these companies that charge $600 plus for a phone will have a huge threat from the Chinese. Meanwhile Google is sitting pretty.
 
Now that Samsung has two convictions on record of copying apple, they are starting to realize it's better to pay royalty and copy then to just to plain steal.

Samsung knows that if they pull it again, apple can just point to the two previous cases as proof of their copycat practices.
 
To you and me a million dollars is a lot of money. To a company like Apple and Samsung they could spend that much each day in keeping the lights on in all their offices around the world..

Apple has 83,000 employees, assuming 4 light bulbs per person, and assuming the light bulbs are left on 24 hours day, and a cost of $0.06 per hour ( for a 60w light bulb ).

That is only $478,080 per day

NO WHERE NEAR THE MILLION DOLLARS YOU CLAIM!!!!!!

why do you have to always exaggerate so much, shheeeeze.
 
Doubt it. Didn't Apple get a billion dollars out of Samsung? These cases are big, but I doubt the legal fees get higher than the 10s of millions per year for any one case. Samsung's claims were obviously a waste of time. But I bet Apple made money off this.

When you look at the recent news about the Beat's purchase for 3.2 Billion dollars vs. how much Samsung owns Apple the Beat's purchase looks like a horrible deal. To me Apple wasted more money than what they gained from Samsung. It makes no sense. They could have used that money to make their own premium style headphones and music service that would surpass Beat's; not be associated with their overpriced image.
So it's like 1 step forward (Apple win over Samsung) and then 2 steps back (Beat's purchase).
 
You have to wonder if Google (Motorola, before it was sold) and Apple settlement had anything to do with this. Smart move for both companies and hope this brings out better products from them.
 
And Steve Jobs didn't want an iPad mini. SJ wasn't always right.

Exactly. Who here is blind enough to say that recent Samsung devices have anything to do with Apple? Yes, there's the occasional shameless "me too" feature, but everybody is free to make golden devices and fingerprint scanners to take advantage of the iPhone's success.

Besides, with profits going down, Samsung has bigger problems. LG is doing a Samsung to Samsung, just like chinese OEMs, and Samsung is facing the problems that a shameless company shouldn't face: Expectations.

As far as Apple is concerned, what happened prior to the Galaxy S3 was too long ago, and the ends to not justify the means in the tech industry. Things just pass so fast.

So, Apple is in better shape than ever, most of their competitors are worst than ever, Google just can't grow their "click" business much longer and Microsoft only has an enterprise that is preferring mobile devices.

It's time to focus on something new. Steve was important to save a small and dying company, but he was limited. Cook, Ive, Craig... Those are the stars. Can't wait for what is coming.
 
Wait, isn't this all part of Samsung's infringe now > stall > pay later strategy?

Everyone stalls, including Apple.

Apple has used the courts to avoid paying royalties for seven years to companies which had spent decades and billions inventing and building the worldwide cellular system and market... a setup that Apple then came in and made billions from without making a similar contribution.

Let's hope the agreement is the foundation for UPFRONT, proper licensing agreements in the future.

I'm wondering how much they were influenced by the DOJ's stance last year on FRAND patent negotiations. Remember? They set limits on how long a licensee like Apple can use the courts to avoid paying royalties.

If a deal isn't made soon, Apple will have to submit to arbitrated rates, and I think they want to avoid that.

Plus, of course, there's the ridiculous amounts they've spent on litigation without affecting Samsung sales one tiny bit. If anything, all the press helped Samsung.
 
When you look at the recent news about the Beat's purchase for 3.2 Billion dollars vs. how much Samsung owns Apple the Beat's purchase looks like a horrible deal. To me Apple wasted more money than what they gained from Samsung. It makes no sense. They could have used that money to make their own premium style headphones and music service that would surpass Beat's; not be associated with their overpriced image.
So it's like 1 step forward (Apple win over Samsung) and then 2 steps back (Beat's purchase).

Someone doesn't have any idea of what he's talking about. Apple just acquired someone that knows how to make the music and TV guys to bend over, not to mention a very lucrative company.

Apple paid some pennies but can collect something much more important. The risk itself is worth it.
 
When you look at the recent news about the Beat's purchase for 3.2 Billion dollars vs. how much Samsung owns Apple the Beat's purchase looks like a horrible deal. To me Apple wasted more money than what they gained from Samsung. It makes no sense. They could have used that money to make their own premium style headphones and music service that would surpass Beat's; not be associated with their overpriced image.
So it's like 1 step forward (Apple win over Samsung) and then 2 steps back (Beat's purchase).

Well - we don't know all the details of the deal. For example - Beats had a VERY low royalty rate they were paying. If that's transferable to Apple - then that's significant if Apple is into the streaming business...
 
Apple has 83,000 employees, assuming 4 light bulbs per person, and assuming the light bulbs are left on 24 hours day, and a cost of $0.06 per hour ( for a 60w light bulb ).

That is only $478,080 per day

NO WHERE NEAR THE MILLION DOLLARS YOU CLAIM!!!!!!

why do you have to always exaggerate so much, shheeeeze.

Quite ironic how you state, ONLY 478,080 dollars! And you are assuming the cost of electricity based in one country, electricity costs vary worldwide.
 
Apple has 83,000 employees, assuming 4 light bulbs per person, and assuming the light bulbs are left on 24 hours day, and a cost of $0.06 per hour ( for a 60w light bulb ).

That is only $478,080 per day

NO WHERE NEAR THE MILLION DOLLARS YOU CLAIM!!!!!!

why do you have to always exaggerate so much, shheeeeze.

Stop thinking small time. What about all the rest of the electrical equipment that runs these offices. Huge mainframe computers used to store information in the cloud. The refrigeration units to keep those computers cool. Even the manufacturing plants that use robots and cutting machines to make Apple product cost money in electricity. All the thousands of computers that are operational on a daily basis adds up.
It takes more than 4 light bulbs to run a mainframe computer and keep it cool at the same time.
 

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Someone doesn't have any idea of what he's talking about. Apple just acquired someone that knows how to make the music and TV guys to bend over, not to mention a very lucrative company.

Apple paid some pennies but can collect something much more important. The risk itself is worth it.

I would rather buy something new made from the ground up than buy something that was rebranded. How would you like it if Apple buys Samsung and slaps an Apple logo on a Samsung S3 and calls it the new larger 4.8" iPhone 6?
 
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