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Apple and Samsung Respond to the $1 Billion Patent Verdict
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Handheld mobile phone
Prior to 1973, mobile telephony was limited to phones installed in cars and other vehicles.[6] Motorola and Bell Labs raced to be the first to produce a handheld mobile phone. That race ended on April 3, 1973 when Martin Cooper, a Motorola researcher and executive, made the first mobile telephone call from handheld subscriber equipment, placing a call to Dr. Joel S. Engel of Bell Labs.[12][13] The prototype handheld phone used by Dr. Cooper weighed 2.5 pounds and measured 9 inches long, 5 inches deep and 1.75 inches wide. The prototype offered a talk time of just 30 minutes and took 10 hours to re-charge.[14]
John F. Mitchell, Motorola's chief of portable communication products and Cooper's boss in 1973, played a key role in advancing the development of handheld mobile telephone equipment. Mitchell successfully pushed Motorola to develop wireless communication products that would be small enough to use anywhere and participated in the design of the cellular phone.[15][16]
You know exactly what I meant. Feel free to split hairs all day long. Without Motorola, there would be no iPhone. I just pointed that out since many here seem to think that Steve invented the cell phone and the rectangle.
BULL AGAIN!!!
If you care to re-read the article you'll notice there's another company that were also part of the race to invent the 'Handheld' mobile Phone. As I said in an earlier post - there's usually another option waiting in the wings ...care to prove you can actually read by posting the name of that other company?
See, your point ONLY works when a company is SUCESSFUL at being different. Apparently the Zune was extremely sucessful since it was so different from the iPod.Where is the Palm pre again?
Under the law, nobody is guaranteed to be successful. I rather prefer this to the alternative. Harrison Bergeron comes to mind.
It's in my last post, Bell Labs. Moto beat them to the punch. Facts are facts. Steve didn't invent the cell phone. Or rectangle.
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What does that have to do with the fact that Motorola made the first hand held cell phone? Steve didn't.
so where did anybody but YOU say Apple invented the Mobile Phone? or has your sarcasm returned to bite you in the a$$?
Did you completely miss the fact that rectangles didn't factor into the $1B jury verdict?
Apple didn't invent the first mobile phone, just the first really good one.
Truth be told, what Apple really invented was the first really good pocket-sized computer that also happened to be a phone.
I read here everyday. It's plain as day what many think. Obviously you know that Apple didn't invent the mobile phone. The point of what I have posted here for the past 24 hours is that Apple didn't invent much of the tech that they currently use. They borrowed it, legally and otherwise.
Other than it being wood and a veneer? Presumably your machinery and methods didn't come out of thin air either, but owe much to the ideas of other people. Look, don't take that the wrong way Your product may be the best thing since sliced timber, but to claim it doesn't owe anything to prior ideas ? Pull the other one mate.
I can only assume, based on your own example, that you have a far more liberal interpretation than I do of what it means to invent something 'without [using] prior ideas'. I stand by my earlier statement that: 'no innovation, no invention, ever happened in a vacuum. No one has ever invented something new by starting from scratch. Every inventor, every innovator who ever lived, piggy-backed off previous ideas from other people.' (Perhaps I should have said 'from other people and/or from nature', since many inventions borrow heavily from God's own designs. Thankfully he's yet to sue anybody!!)
If Steve Jobs had been born in 500 BC, do you think he would have created an iPad? If you had been born in 500 BC, do you think you would have created your wide web, paper-thin, unsanded, continuous roll wood veneer?
Since Motorola didn't invent Radio, they borrowed others' tech too ..right? you're making them out to be the inventor of all things of any use here, but I bet they stole ideas back in the day.
You seem to have an issue giving Apple their due credit! whilst they may not have invented the mobile phone, they are certainly responsible for the smart phone's current form factor, popularity, ease of use & have raised the bar for what is now possible with a handheld. The market had all but stagnated before iPhone, there was no innovation beyond Blackberry's mini-keyboard that only suited tiny fingers, just rehashes by copycat manufacturers like Samsung and others.
Remember PDA's? Those little computers that crashed hourly? They became redundant practically overnight with the launch of iPhone.
iPhone was released and all of a sudden there was a seismic shift by ALL manufacturers. It wasn't just Samsung, but they most closely copied iPhone ...deliberately, as it turns out.
Apple thought to combine all current mobile technologies into one handheld device and made it reliable ..something that had been missing in mobile computing.
I've owned one mobile phone or another for over 20 years now, including Motorola, Ericsson, Nokia, Mitsubishi, LG, SONY & Samsung, and the only one that came close to being as reliable as an iPhone was Ericsson - before SONY got involved with them. Those were the days when a 2 year contract often meant you were still paying long after the phone had died.
Yes! Apple deserve credit ..for taking on a stagnant industry & giving it no choice but to improve its products & customer service or die ..much as your beloved Motorola is about to.
umm facts say other wise
http://inventors.about.com/cs/inventorsalphabet/a/martin_cooper.htm
So what where you saying?
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you know you are digging yourself into a whole and it is pretty clear you have no clue what you are talking about.
Cell phones are handheld mobile phones.
Cell is how this are describe as everything is broken down into cells that a single tower controls and you are passed between cells. Hence CELL phones.
Apple needs to celebrate by lowering every computer $100 cheaper
wow. that definitly agree with you:
erm, you're wrong! Cell Towers also transmit\recieve calls from car phones - which were not handheld back in the day. Mobile phones (radio's) were used during WWII, but they were 'Push To Talk'.
Motorola invented the Handheld, not the Cell.
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That's why I said some of the claims were valid. Yes, the first galaxy s phone did look like the 3G. Yes, the first few versions of touchwiz did look like iOS. But after that Samsung started tweaking their galaxy phone series and they started tweaks their touchwiz ui and Apple was still targeting the newer devices.
I swear, even if God himself descended upon us and announced that Samsung is guilty of copying Apple some people would still deny it.
You can't argue with people who believe things based on emotion rather than logic.
You can't argue with people who believe things based on emotion rather than logic.
Then again, you're supporting a company which practically has a horizontal AND vertical monopoly in many sectors of the Korean consumer economy.
Bitter? No I am just saying an opinion. I see you don't even argue the fact that Apple doesn't innovate, they just buy smaller companies that do the work for them, than apple people (I own an iPad, 2 iPhones and an iPod in our family) come on here and say it is the next best thing to Jesus.
Who said it was the next best thing to Jesus?
It's like you're having some argument with yourself, where you imagine people saying things when that conversation is only happening inside your head.
I don't and probably won't ever understand how people come to such ridiculous conclusions...
To put my stance clearly, I am glad that Samsung lost this case, and is being punished - making them a public case, so that other companies take blatant copying seriously.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I do think that current laws need to be reconsidered to prevent future court cases such as this from becoming frivolous.
Samsung's official response seemed like that of a 5 year old. While I'm not saying they couldn't have produced "similar" phones. They crossed the line, as soon as I saw the UI for the Galaxy SII, I thought to myself, "That looks WAYY to similar to an iPhone (as far as icon layout & LOOK - especially the phone call button) - definitely going to be a lawsuit!"
Additionally, for those that blindly agree with samsung's snide remark - somewhere along the lines of - I didn't know you could patent a touchscreen with rounded corners. The majority of the fines didn't even come from that. They came from the copying of features such as pinch to zoom, double tap to zoom, and apple's scrolling which was much more refined.
So please, don't always believe what you are told (from either Apple or Samsung for that matter). Always do research yourself and form a logical opinion.
Certainly Apple didn't invent the cellphone, heck, one could even argue that they weren't revolutionary in redefining exactly what a cellphone or smartphone could do (with palm pilots, etc). HOWEVER, what Apple did do which was unique, was integrate the cellphone capabilities, with smartphones (or palm pilots) as well as an iPod on a level that was so refined and enjoyable, yet very simple and unique. And that was revolutionary in and of itself.
So to end this rant, I am not an Apple Fanboy, I just call it like I see it. While I do own apple products over android or windows, it is not because I think Steve Jobs was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ himself; but rather, that I enjoy their level of refinement.
To put my stance clearly, I am glad that Samsung lost this case, and is being punished - making them a public case, so that other companies take blatant copying seriously.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I do think that current laws need to be reconsidered to prevent future court cases such as this from becoming frivolous.
Samsung's official response seemed like that of a 5 year old. While I'm not saying they couldn't have produced "similar" phones. They crossed the line, as soon as I saw the UI for the Galaxy SII, I thought to myself, "That looks WAYY to similar to an iPhone (as far as icon layout & LOOK - especially the phone call button) - definitely going to be a lawsuit!"
Additionally, for those that blindly agree with samsung's snide remark - somewhere along the lines of - I didn't know you could patent a touchscreen with rounded corners. The majority of the fines didn't even come from that. They came from the copying of features such as pinch to zoom, double tap to zoom, and apple's scrolling which was much more refined.
So please, don't always believe what you are told (from either Apple or Samsung for that matter). Always do research yourself and form a logical opinion.
Certainly Apple didn't invent the cellphone, heck, one could even argue that they weren't revolutionary in redefining exactly what a cellphone or smartphone could do (with palm pilots, etc). HOWEVER, what Apple did do which was unique, was integrate the cellphone capabilities, with smartphones (or palm pilots) as well as an iPod on a level that was so refined and enjoyable, yet very simple and unique. And that was revolutionary in and of itself.
So to end this rant, I am not an Apple Fanboy, I just call it like I see it. While I do own apple products over android or windows, it is not because I think Steve Jobs was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ himself; but rather, that I enjoy their level of refinement.
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I haven't seen anyone say apple invented the cellphone or a rectangle. Either you're reading another forum and confusing it with macrumors, or you're trolling. Which one is it?
Actually, the majority would've come from the design patents and related trade dress.
Utility patents: Apple asked $7 per infringing unit for bounceback and tap-to-zoom and scroll-lock = $150 million.
Design patents: Apple asked $24 per unit = $528 million... OR an award for Samsung's profits up to $2 billion for trade dress infringement and/or dilution.
Yes, always do research yourself. Where did you get the idea that the award was mostly from utility patents? I mean, it's always possible, since this jury seems to have ignored its instructions.
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I get it. You don't like Apple. But don't cherrypick facts to support your case. Your statement about "attempted blocking" conveniently ignores an important element.
To date, Apple has never attempted to block another company over a standards-essential patent, and I believe they do own a few. The patents that Apple has sued over are all non-essential patents.
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Did you know that Google bought Android?