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s10 said:
This is similar to my earlier comment. I want to listen to MY music WHEN I want to listen to it - that's why I have an iPod. And I have seemingly more music than I could listen to in my entire lifetime, so this doesn't cause me too much concern, as I'll always have something to listen to! I never listen to the radio, and although I can see the benefit of having a favorite station and just having it on in the background, that's just not the way I operate. I have a constant influx of music from a variety of (non-radio) sources, and don't need to rely on radio to introduce me to new music - for others, I could see where this would be a nice benefit though.
If my iPod ended up having built in radio, it would be a "nice to have" I guess, but I question how often I would really use it when I already have 20 GB of my own music, constantly updating and changing, sitting on the same device already.
For me, it's just the reversed way. I cancelled a week or 2 ago Sirius after I installed my Kenwood iPod adapter (iP500) in the car. I was tired of hearing the same song over and over on Hits1 and stream 9 (whatever the name was). But the kids will miss KidStuff and I will miss 45.Awimoway said:
But that's where potcast hopefully will come in play. I really think Apple should join with them, but not with a hardware integration. Shows through podcasts, so I can download them onto my iPod would be a perfect answer, at least for their music streams. (I have to agree that it wouldn't make sense for the NFL and other live sport streams).
cube said:
But I don't think I've used AM in over 20 years and FM in 3 years. AM is dead as the Dodo and FM is going that way. DAB is the only way forward in Europe currently, at least until we have blanket wifi coverage which probably isn't more than a couple of years off.
I know the USA is kind of third-world technology wise for mobile comms but I don't see why the world outside the USA should get stiffed with technology from the dark ages.
I use to think like a lot of folks with an iPod, why would I want a radio when I have 20+GB of music? There will always be something on there for me to listen too....
But then recently I've been listening a lot to the radio to and from work, somedays using my phone and other days just sticking to the iPod. Apart from the whole "new music" exposure that is possible from radio, I like the morning and drive-time show's on Radio One as they are nice, light and fluffy - and just right for going to and from work. So, even for occasional use, I would quite like a radio on an iPod. A nice DAB tuner....mmmmm
But then recently I've been listening a lot to the radio to and from work, somedays using my phone and other days just sticking to the iPod. Apart from the whole "new music" exposure that is possible from radio, I like the morning and drive-time show's on Radio One as they are nice, light and fluffy - and just right for going to and from work. So, even for occasional use, I would quite like a radio on an iPod. A nice DAB tuner....mmmmm
This would be a good move for Apple and Sirius. This will help Apple sell more of their iPods which are currently bland and falling behind in features from other competitors.
KyleC said:
NASCAR just signed a multi-year deal with Sirius, so when their current deal with XM runs out, they're leaving. Sirius has XM absolutely beat in sports since they have the NFL, NBA and NHL. MLB is all XM has to hang their hat on in that department. As for the XM MyFi, that's why Sirius wants this iPod deal so badly, as it would certainly be a much bigger draw for consumers than the MyFi ever will be.
Either way though, Sirius has big issues as to how they're going to pay for all of these big money deals they've made for the NFL, NASCAR, Howard Stern, Martha Stewart, etc...
Id buy an iPod that had satelite radio. The radio stations in the SF Bay Area suck! Down with Clear Channel and the others!
kirk26 said:
So bland and stale that they only have 80+% of the mp3 player market and are anticipated to sell 5.5 million more of them this quarter. No, Sirius needs this to happen much more than Apple does and Steve knows he has them over a barrel. The only way they'll ever negotiate a deal with Sirius is if Apple gets the lion's share of the deal.
i seriously doubt it as well ... satellite radio is not available at all over here ... makes a lot more sense as additional accessory
neildmitchell said:
This is a good point, the radio stations here suck as well - and perhaps that's why I don't listen to radio. Perhaps if I had satellite radio with a lot more options and variety it would be different? Hmm, tough to say actually. When I listen to music it's either through iTunes on my Mac or through my iPod when I'm on the road - and that's when I'm listening to the music I want to listen to. So I'm not against the whole satellite radio thing, and I think it's cool, I just don't see myself listening to it specifically on my iPod - but to each his own!
And that being said, I'm a big fan of the BBC Radio One Essential Mixes (I have digital copies of all 600+ mixes since 1993!) which is aired on the radio, however I always just record them and listen to them later in iTunes/on my iPod. But in that respect, yes, I guess I do listen to a bit of radio.
Holy Crap!! Really?!?! Every one since '93?!?! Don't suppose you happen to have a doc with all of the DJ's and track listings close to hand? I've been listening to the Essential Selection since, well, before Pete Tong was in charge, and the Essential Mixes make up the soundtrack of my late school and Uni life.... if only Radio One every get around to making them available on iTunes, I know I'll be purchasing a whole bundle~Shard~ said:snipage..
And that being said, I'm a big fan of the BBC Radio One Essential Mixes (I have digital copies of all 600+ mixes since 1993!) which is aired on the radio, however I always just record them and listen to them later in iTunes/on my iPod. But in that respect, yes, I guess I do listen to a bit of radio.
Piarco75 said:Holy Crap!! Really?!?! Every one since '93?!?! Don't suppose you happen to have a doc with all of the DJ's and track listings close to hand? I've been listening to the Essential Selection since, well, before Pete Tong was in charge, and the Essential Mixes make up the soundtrack of my late school and Uni life.... if only Radio One every get around to making them available on iTunes, I know I'll be purchasing a whole bundle
I have pretty much all of the tracklistings, and I do have a listing of every single mix and who the DJ was, yes. If you're interested in getting a hold of some copies, just PM me / e-mail me and I can send you my archive spreadsheet. And I should correct myself, I believe there are 4 mixes I am missing from 1994, and that's it.
But the rest, yah, I could burn them as MP3s on CD/DVD for you, even do up audio CDs, whatever you'd like.As I said, let's take this offline - contact me and we'll work something out. I always like spreading great music.
I happy to hear that Steve isn't planning to include the Sirus Radio. Radio is thee last free access to entertainment, why ruin a good thing. I hate the idea of paying for Cable, especially when the reception on many channels is poor. So I plane to hold stead fast on not paying for radio.
~Shard~ said:I have pretty much all of the tracklistings, and I do have a listing of every single mix and who the DJ was, yes. If you're interested in getting a hold of some copies, just PM me / e-mail me and I can send you my archive spreadsheet. And I should correct myself, I believe there are 4 mixes I am missing from 1994, and that's it.
As I said, let's take this offline - contact me and we'll work something out. I always like spreading great music.
Can I get a piece of that??
Jesus
Jesus said:
As I said, I'm more than willing to sort people out with these great mixes. As not to risk spamming the Forums though with me "advertising" my Essential Mix collection, as I told Plarco75, just PM me or e-mail me and we'll chat further about things. I look forward to hearing from you and working something out!
There's one element in the satellite radio scene that I haven't heard mentioned here yet: the notoriously spotty reception of Sirius. I didn't know about Sirius' reception problems until I experienced them myself, and then a little internet research revealed that Sirius has a dirty little secret, which is poor indoor reception.
I had XM for over a year, and it would catch a solid satellite connection from the middle of my room. In that respect, XM had reception equal to FM radio.
I recently tried Sirius, and there was not one place in my room where I could receive consistent reception without periodic drop-outs. I called Sirius technical service, and they said their satellite antennas need to be on the roof of the house to get consistent reception. Funny, they don't mention that in their advertising...
If I can't receive Sirius when it's pointed in the right direction on my window sill, using a standard antenna, there is zero chance that Sirius could get reception on an iPod that was anything smaller than a brick. Anyone interested in a bigger, heavier iPod? Didn't think so.
For me, Sirius has better programming than XM. But if I can't receive it in my home, which is out in the open with no obstructions, all that great programming is useless to me. There's no way an iPod-sized Sirius unit could ever work, so there's no use in even dreaming about one.
I had XM for over a year, and it would catch a solid satellite connection from the middle of my room. In that respect, XM had reception equal to FM radio.
I recently tried Sirius, and there was not one place in my room where I could receive consistent reception without periodic drop-outs. I called Sirius technical service, and they said their satellite antennas need to be on the roof of the house to get consistent reception. Funny, they don't mention that in their advertising...
If I can't receive Sirius when it's pointed in the right direction on my window sill, using a standard antenna, there is zero chance that Sirius could get reception on an iPod that was anything smaller than a brick. Anyone interested in a bigger, heavier iPod? Didn't think so.
For me, Sirius has better programming than XM. But if I can't receive it in my home, which is out in the open with no obstructions, all that great programming is useless to me. There's no way an iPod-sized Sirius unit could ever work, so there's no use in even dreaming about one.
TomSmithMacEd said:
Nothing would drain my bank account faster. Advertising and entertainment would achieve complete harmony. I'm not sure if I like that or not, but it'll probably happen someday (not necessarily by Apple, though).
Lancetx said:
I suppose it would be easy to reply that Hyundai owners are not the kind of people we should be basing the entertainment and consumer electronics markets on, but I thought this was a pretty interesting story about Stern actually hurting Sirius' chances:
From CNN.com
The irony is that if enough of these people had known who Opie and Anthony are, they probably would have been even less inclined to get XM.
Playlist + commuting possibilities
Suppose there is a five minute segment of radio you like to listen to on your commute that always starts at 7:35 am (I can think of one), just when traffic is getting tight and you don't like to fiddle between the iPod and the radio (and that radio is satellite). Why not have a time programmable playlist handle that? This is just one small example of what a hybrid iPod could do. I also think the people who suggest being able to immediately buy a radio song from iTunes are also thinking ahead. However, whether satellite radio has legs internationally will probably be the deciding factor in Apple's decision of whether to make a hybrid.
Brigrat said:
Suppose there is a five minute segment of radio you like to listen to on your commute that always starts at 7:35 am (I can think of one), just when traffic is getting tight and you don't like to fiddle between the iPod and the radio (and that radio is satellite). Why not have a time programmable playlist handle that? This is just one small example of what a hybrid iPod could do. I also think the people who suggest being able to immediately buy a radio song from iTunes are also thinking ahead. However, whether satellite radio has legs internationally will probably be the deciding factor in Apple's decision of whether to make a hybrid.
Frisco said:
Howard Stern = Has Been (seriously - the guy is only going to do 4 days live instead of 5 - a sure sign that he's just cashing in on his past glory)
Martha Stewart = ???? $7 Million a year for cooking tips? What a stupid move! Plus she has that new Apprentice show and all of her other businesses to run - when is she going to have time to put together a <i>good show</i> everyday?
NFL = Cool if you like football.
iPod = never going to happen. The Sirius technology is so flawed which is why all of their players are so huge compared to XM's. They should have spent money on R&D before signing these huge price tag franchises. Now they are scrambling to latch on to existing technology to deliver their content which they can't even afford. They are running themselves into the ground very quickly and I would be surprised if they ever gained enough market share to really compete with XM, who is very close to turning a profit while Sirius loses money with each new subscriber (right now they spend more per subscriber for retention than the subscribers pay them in fees).
If Apple was interested in one of these companies (which they are clearly not), Sirius would be the wrong one.