Apple and Sony 'iRadio' Negotiations Stalling Over Skipped Songs

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Earlier today a report suggested that the launch of Apple's upcoming streaming music service deemed "iRadio" may be delayed due to difficult negotiations with Sony Music and Warner Music Group.

    CNET is offering some additional information on Apple's trouble with Sony Music, explaining that the fees to be paid for skipped songs have become a point of contention between the companies.
    While Apple's music service is said to be more similar to Pandora than Spotify, Apple does plan to deviate from Pandora's rigid station-based listening rules by giving users extended control, like the ability to rewind or skip a song after listening to a small portion of it. Pandora limits its users to 12 skips per day and pays the full royalty rate for each skipped track.

    Apple has faced continual struggles over pricing during negotiations, originally offering to pay just half of Pandora's royalty rate while demanding more flexibility. The company later agreed to up its offered price, but it may not be willing to make further concessions as an Apple-branded music service offers additional perks that other music streaming sites can't compete with, such as an established market for purchasing streamed tracks.

    The stalled negotiations between Apple and Sony Music are annoying other labels, who are eager to see iRadio launch. Apple finalized an agreement with Universal Music earlier this month and is close to signing a deal with Warner Music Group, according to CNET's sources.
    Apple was pushing for a summer launch of iRadio, with possible plans to unveil the service at its annual Worldwide Developers Conference in June, but it is unclear if the company will be able to meet that deadline.

    Article Link: Apple and Sony 'iRadio' Negotiations Stalling Over Skipped Songs
  2. komodrone macrumors 6502

    Apr 26, 2011
    0 People using it means 0 skips. Does it matter Sony?
  3. JoshGlzBrk macrumors 6502a


    Aug 27, 2009
    No one wants a bloody radio ffs.

    Just give me itunes entire library to stream in spotify form and you would get up to $15 a month out of me.
  4. AustinIllini macrumors demi-god


    Oct 20, 2011
    Austin, USA
  5. Northgrove macrumors 65816

    Aug 3, 2010
    So they don't think you should be allowed to dislike music? WTF.
  6. Brandon263 macrumors 6502

    Sep 12, 2009
    Beaumont, CA
    Spotify does seem to have negotiated an amazing deal. Why doesn't Apple just negotiate based on what Spotify currently has?
  7. SandboxGeneral Moderator


    Staff Member

    Sep 8, 2010
    Orbiting a G-type Main Sequence Star
    The skipping thing is also annoying to people who want use the Pandora service too. I was ready to pay for Pandora One until I found out that it didn't remove the skipping limit.

    If I don't want to listen to a song, then I don't want to listen to it. I don't think the labels should be charging the providers for skipped songs. If it wasn't listened to, then you don't need to get paid.

    The music and movie labels are the most annoying companies in America when it comes to the entertainment industry.
  8. Small White Car macrumors G4

    Small White Car

    Aug 29, 2006
    Washington DC
    The problem is that this would destroy the iTunes download business. Would those $15 fees make up for that? I doubt it.

    A Pandora-like-format would put a dent in downloads, sure, but it would allow the downloading business to survive in some form alongside iRadio.
  9. tann macrumors 68000

    Apr 15, 2010
    Nottingham, England
    I agree that I'd pay more for a Spotify 'iTunes' service where I can download anything from iTunes for offline listening.

    They do have more songs than the other services so I'd happily pay a bit more. Especially for the sort of integration they'd give us on the iPhone.
  10. Compile 'em all macrumors 601

    Compile 'em all

    Apr 6, 2005
  11. Doctor Q Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    Sep 19, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Apple (irresistible force) vs. Sony (immovable object).
  12. bushido Suspended


    Mar 26, 2008
    lol those stuck in the 90s labels trying to hold onto the past with every little redic straw tryin to make money
  13. ajvizzgamer101 macrumors 65816

    Mar 3, 2008
    United States
    I am pretty sure I heard somewhere that people spend on average 40 dollars a year on iTunes Music. 15*12 is 180 dollars.
  14. DarkWinter macrumors member

    Feb 29, 2012

    As if I'd continue to listen to songs I don't like just because I'm not permitted any more skips. Surely most people would just switch off at that point?

    Spotify model please... :)
  15. Porco macrumors 68020


    Mar 28, 2005
    Sorry, such nonsense forces us not to really bother then. OK!
  16. WhoDaKat macrumors 6502

    May 20, 2006
    They want to get paid for the songs people don't listen to? Of all the money grubbing, piece of greedy crap moves, this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. Launch without them. I can see how the other music labels are getting pissed, its like being able to listen to the radio and just click to buy what you are listening to. Thats worth a billion times what Pandora and Spotify do. Sony is showing us once again how pathetic they have become.
  17. Alumeenium macrumors regular

    May 15, 2013
    skipping is Why I Use SPOTIFY and not pandora

    looks like I'll be "Skipping" iRadio too!
  18. mm201 macrumors regular

    Feb 17, 2013
    Wait, shouldn't the provider have to pay less, not more, to skip a song? Since a whole song wasn't provided?

    Or do they mean to imply their music is so bad you need to pay them to make it stop?
  19. soup4you2 macrumors regular

    Apr 12, 2007
    So far with my very limited time playing with it, I've been extremely happy with Google's new all pass system.

    It's kinda like spotify, pandora, and party shuffle all in 1.
  20. Killa Aaron macrumors regular

    Killa Aaron

    Nov 14, 2011
    Because Sony needs money and Apple has it.
  21. thermodynamic Suspended


    May 3, 2009
    Leasing isn't buying.

    I'll pay for the songs I like, preferably to the artist directly since they did the work and therefore deserve the money, and not have to worry about a magical OFF switch or any other form of SaaS chicanery...
  22. Parasprite macrumors 68000


    Mar 5, 2013
    I doubt the average person would go for it then. It would have to offer something better than what is offered to justify an added bill.

    Then again, I now pay ~$96 a year for Netflix, whereas before I didn't even have cable or a TV, and payed less than that on DVDs/iTunes TV shows each year so maybe not...
  23. marksman macrumors 603


    Jun 4, 2007
    Apple should launch it with a configuration option to exclude Sony music from the service and explain why. If people choose to include Sony music they will be unable to skip their songs.

    Make blocking Sony the default option and I bet Sony gets in line very quickly.
  24. bdkennedy1 macrumors 65816

    Oct 24, 2002
    So if a user skips a Sony song, then play another Sony song. Problem solved.

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