Apple and virus troubles can be real these days.

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  1. Choctaw macrumors 6502

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    I have been using computers since 1984 when virus things were not even heard of. Now they are everywhere. Mac computers have been saying for years that they are not effected. Wake up..... programers that use Macs are working at doing their dirty work as we speak. Now they are creating virus programs that don't just ruin a hard drive........they can go down into the bios chip on the motherboard and you got real troubles. What do you think of that? It might even be that SOME NOT ALL the virus programs are creatred by the very ones who sell anti-virus protection. Just my comments. But we live in a world full of people who want to kill us and kill our computers too. Rodny King said "Why can't we all just get along"...answer is we live in an imperfect world full of evil thinking trolls.
     
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    Do you have any relevant links to support your statements?
     
  3. ECUpirate44 macrumors 603

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    I'd like to see some too. If not, OP=Troll.
     
  4. wpotere Guest

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    Hate to be a jerk, but you don't really sound like you know what you are talking about. Please provide a bit more insight rather than a rambling of "they go down into the bios chip"... I have also been using computers as long as you and I am an IT professional (DBA/Programmer). To date there is not a virus known that can affect a UNIX based machine that wouldn't require user interface (thus negating the term "virus"). Malware is a possibility but if you don't load torrents you should have a problem. Basically what you are reporting is pointless dribble.

    As for the rest, you sound paranoid.
     
  5. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    That is one cool story OP. I have yet to have my Mac's hard drive damaged by one of these viruses.
    Nice of you to also revive an old thread with the same statement here.
     
  6. Choctaw thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Glad to accommodate your request for reference material.

    Here are 7 places to read about the virus/malware concerns we should have for the Apple computer community. They are the real deal. To not at least take precautions like the PC world has been doing for years would put a Mac computer at risk. I am not wanting to play a game with the ones who have taken issue with my posting concerning Mac virus/malware, just trying to say “a word to the wise is sufficient”. Better to take note now than after you get hit by one of these conditions.

    http://clickpcrx.blogspot.com/2011/01/top-5-malware-for-mac-os-x.html


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9808489-37.html

    http://www.macforensicslab.com/Prod...in_page=document_general_info&products_id=174


    http://www.life123.com/technology/computer-software/malware/how-do-i-remove-malware.shtml

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=393949

    http://www.ask.com/questions-about/How-Do-I-Remove-Malware-From-My-Mac

    http://www.macforensicslab.com/Malware_on_Mac_OS_X.pdf
     
  7. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    None of them are viruses. That is malware that needs installing (requiring a password off the user) to run.

    The "BIOS" on my Mac is safe... ;)
     
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    If you haven't received your PM yet, the answer to three of yours, here it is again:
    Btw, Macs don't have a BIOS, they have EFI.
     
  9. Choctaw, Mar 29, 2011
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    Read this wpotere the professional one, and not to leave out your 20 years in the IT industry and a degree to go with it. Wonder if it's a BS or a PHD meaning more of the BS pilled high and deeper.

    UNIX can be effected.


    http://www.claymania.com/unix-viruses.html
     
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    I clicked on the first link and that was enough for me not to bother with the others :p

    1999 lol
     
  11. Apple OC macrumors 68040

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    Out of curiosity, I checked all the links and couldn't find any proof, it seems as thought more than half the articles promote some kind of AV software.
    Let the Lemmings fall for it seems to be their credo.
    Again:
    Please, please use it and don't quote some greek philosopher from two thousand years ago, not hundreds. Maybe the Indians knew about him though.


    ... not a virus, but a trojan, the user has to install him- or herself.
    ... not a virus, but a trojan, the user has to install him- or herself.
    ... not a virus, but a trojan, the user has to install him- or herself.
    ... the culprit is Java. Again, common sense might help.

    ... not a virus, but a trojan, the user has to install him- or herself.


    proper link to the PDF: http://www.macforensicslab.com/Malware_on_Mac_OS_X.pdf
    Aha, it talks about the possibility of viruses hiding in packages, but where are those again? Lost?

    Not really any proof by the author of what viruses exist. It seems more like some advertisement for the AV software titles.

    Have you read the thread yet?

    Have you read that thread yet? Till the end on page 2?

    http://www.macforensicslab.com/Malware_on_Mac_OS_X.pdf
    This is the same PDF you almost linked to in your third link.
     
  13. wpotere Guest

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    That isn't professional, that is a BLOG! Quit believing everything you read on the web and start researching it. You also need to understand the basic difference between a virus and a trojan.
     
  14. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    • Not one thing you've posted has referenced a Mac OS X virus. That's because NONE exist.
    • Every bit of Mac OS X malware you've posted about refers to the same handful of trojans, all of which require the user to actively install them, entering their admin password in the process. They can easily be avoided with some common sense.
    • The white paper article you posted a link to is filled with inaccuracies and false statements, as munkery already addressed in another thread.
    I've been using computers since 1971, but that doesn't make me an expert on everything having to do with computers. Your experience doesn't, either.
    False. Do a little research before you post falsehoods.
    Mac computers have said nothing of the kind. Mac owners have been saying that Macs are not currently affected by viruses, which is true. There were viruses over 10 years ago that could infect Mac OS 9 and earlier versions, but not one virus has ever been found in the wild that runs on Mac OS X. No one who has any sense has been saying that Macs are immune to malware. If you took the time to read and understand the Mac Virus/Malware Info link that has been posted again and again, you wouldn't be posting this nonsense.
    Proof? I didn't think so!
    Proof? I didn't think so!
    Proof? I didn't think so! By the way, there IS no "bios chip on the motherboard" of Mac computers. :rolleyes:
    Proof? I didn't think so!
    Your comments are not based in fact. If you're posting your opinion, say so. Don't make statements as if they're facts, unless you can back them up with factual evidence.
     
  15. Choctaw thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Are you saying that a BLOG has no truth to offer? I am not wanting to debate the difference of what name to call a malicious code designed to attact a computer, just show that they are there. Quite frankly I do not know the difference between a virus, malware, or a Trojan. Also I don’t profess to understand if a Mac has a bios chip…but they have internal workings just as a PC does and they can be compromised. What I do know is that programs/codes exist that can come after our computers. This knowledge comes to me from what I read mostly on the web. Some of it might not be true, but it all can’t be a hoax. I am just stating that Apple computers and PC’s are at risk in today market. End of message.
     
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    The read this, again:
     
  17. MonkeySee.... macrumors 68040

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    This post makes this thread even more bizzare than it already is. :confused:
     
  18. GGJstudios, Mar 29, 2011
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    If you read the link I posted, you would know.
    As has been stated again and again, the only such programs that exist that can affect Mac OS X are trojans, which require the user to actively install. The simple protection against them is... DON'T install them!
    NOW you're making sense!
    No one has said they aren't at risk.
    This is one of those situations. Look in the mirror.
     
  19. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    Can you run a Windows 98 virus on Windows 7? No. Hell, you can't even run a legit Windows 98 app on Windows 7 sometimes.
    Does a UNIX effecting virus from 1999 still effect UNIX? Unlikely.
    Can only professionals write blogs? No.

    Please, this topic has been discussed over and over and over. The fact still remains that without actively installing one of the few MacOS trojans out there, (which requires you to enter your admin password), you cannot get malware on a Mac.

    Sometimes, a trojan has been bundled with pirated software, I believe a pirated copy of iWork a while back came bundled with a Trojan. Not sure what the Trojan did or entailed as I buy my software, but that is the only case I can remember that malware has had some sort of impact on Mac users. And it was a while back now, at least 3 or 4 years ago now.

    So yes, you win. Mac's are not 100% safe. They are 99% safe if you just use your common sense and don't enter your password for something you didn't ask for. Is that what you wanted?
     
  20. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    From 2009:
    Pirated iWork '09 installer may contain trojan horse
    OS X iWork Trojan Revamped, Repackaged, Rereleased in Photoshop

    Read the bottom of the Mac Virus/Malware link I posted for info on a java-based trojan that was released 5 months ago.
     
  21. macquariumguy macrumors 6502a

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    There were plenty of Mac viruses in the 80s and 90s.
     
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    Yes, it is inaccurate.

    But there is a huge difference. A virus can install and propogate itself without user intervention. This is what makes it dangerous and why having virus scan software running is important. Malware is something that a user installs inadvertantly and if you avoid torrents and such your likely to never see one.


    You claimed to have vast knowledge dating back to 1987 which is why many folks are after you right now. Basically what you just posted shows that you have little to no knowledge of the OS or the hardware that you are using. I work in IT and I have not seen a single virus for either OSX or Solaris (UNIX) to date which is what everyone here is telling you. So, you will believe a complete strangers blog post but not the users here? We are telling you this so you don't waste you money and system resources on something you don't need. Does this mean that they won't ever get one? No, but when one finally does find a way to exploit the system you can bet that Apple will plug that hole up real quick.
     
  24. Choctaw, Mar 30, 2011
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    I did not mean the blog was professional. I meant for you as the self proclaimed "IT Professional" which you so clearly stated in your post to read the article referenced.

    The year was 1984 when I started using computers (1st was Texas Inst) and I did not in any was claim as you have suggested to have vast knowledge about computers. Just that I have been using them many years.

    This entire subject I have brought up was only intended to state simply that computers both PC’s and Mac’s are targets for malicious code writers. More so now days for the Mac world as they become more prevalent in the market. I did not expect to be a target for all of the posters who only want to pick away at the core substance of my post. Questioning or just calling it an untruth as to if it really applies to their self proclaimed Holy Grail the Mac OS and Mac’s internal parts.


    When I accepted an offer from SilentPanda to reinstate this thread he asked me to provide external resources as factual backup, not just opinions. I believe many of the reference sites I have offered show clearly that my basic premises that Mac’s are at risk is true. (1000's of examples can be found by using Google) SilentPanda expressed that other wise the thread would continue in the spiral it has been going and be locked again. It is sad that I just wanted to give out some information believed to be of help to unsuspected users who might be at risk in a changing environment.

    This thread which has turned into not a warning but a war of words might as well be locked up again for my part. I feel like Chicken Little as I am being told by some of the members here that the sky is not falling in the Mac World. Down the line when the very things you folks have scoff at me for saying come home to bite you…..maybe then you will realize I was only trying to be of help not the pain in the back side you have made me out to be.

    Thanks to SilentPanda for letting me at least speak my part.
    Choctaw
     
  25. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    It's been over 9 years, dude. We're kinda still waiting for that massive tide of Mac malware to hit, never mind the iOS malware that as yet doesn't exist. It might all be out there - loads of it - in like one massive ball of virusy virusness. But we're just not seeing it. There might be tens or even hundreds of different reasons for this. But none of that makes any difference when Joe User sits down at his Mac or with his iPad and surfs the web with impunity, often with the firewall turned off (on OS X), no a/v software, no spyware cleaners . . . nothing . . . and emerge from the experience unscathed. Over and over again. After surfing around the most questionable sites.

    No, Apple and virus troubles aren't all that real these days - no more real than they were five years ago. They *can* be real, just like the Zune *could have* been great. But they (and it) just aren't.

    We still only have like a couple of trojans and I think one actual virus. Probably neither of which you'll actually experience, ever. And if I'm not mistaken most of the 2-3 things out there don't actually do anything all that harmful.

    It's no more an issue than it was five years ago. But if and when it does become one (might take five more years) then I'm sure you'll let us know.

    Cheers.
     
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