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I can't help but be wary here. Someone else controls my identity and by utilizing some privileges that I don't control, my identity can be altered or even deleted without any assent from me. Scary stuff for the future and it seems the future is now.
Actually you are wrong, the digital version has the same info (name, address, date of birth, license number) as the plastic version, it has to by law. If it doesn't I would assume you go over to the DMV to get the info corrected. Any mismatch on the info it would be to your benefit to get it fixed (I'm sure there's some legalease about how you have to check that all info is correct and it's you who will suffer if you didn't inform them of the mismatch). Also, plastic cards are still valid and in fact required for driving still, so you can use both but the electronic one is way more convenient for these kinds of situations like getting into an event or something like that. They can quickly scan and let you in, and they don't even see your date of birth, quite nice granular level of control!
 
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True, but think of some countries you may visit and their lack of technology. I would always want hard copies of those things.
Yeah, physical passports aren't going away any time soon, but it would be nice to be able to use these sorts of things as a stand-in for other places you might need a passport or some sort of official ID (eg: a bank).
 
Why does this require iOS 17? Isn’t the transmitting piece already in iOS 16? I’m hoping it’s clarified that only the scanning device will need to be on iOS 17.

Don’t worry, you likely don’t have to replace your iPhone X yet as there’s will be nobody in your area set up to accept it for a good while.
 
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I can't help but be wary here. Someone else controls my identity and by utilizing some privileges that I don't control, my identity can be altered or even deleted without any assent from me. Scary stuff for the future and it seems the future is now.

I’m surprised you didn’t say your identity could be cancelled by the deep state.

Despite that, all of this can happen with any identity document. If it is changed in a central registry, then whatever you are using could just be pointed to as a forgery.
 
Totally agree, but I really enjoying collecting entry stamps and visas in my passport. I guess it's kind of silly, but I hope future digital versions support some kind of stamps.

Want to throw a border guard in Schengen Zone into a tizzy? (If you can even find him.)

Ask him to stamp your passport.

Last few times I did that reactions were: 1) arguing they didn’t have stamps before going and getting one, 2) stamping with a dry stamp and not finding ink pad, 3) joy at the prospect of doing something different from the daily pattern (this guy looked through a bunch of drawers before finding stamp).

Also, most of these experiences were made before 10 years ago.
 
Totally agree, but I really enjoying collecting entry stamps and visas in my passport. I guess it's kind of silly, but I hope future digital versions support some kind of stamps.
Passports already are digital, if they have the little RFID thing inside of them.

The paper part and stamps are probably not going away any time soon, however they are most definitely already hybrid analog/digital.
 
Actually you are wrong, the digital version has the same info (name, address, date of birth, license number) as the plastic version, it has to by law. If it doesn't I would assume you go over to the DMV to get the info corrected. Any mismatch on the info it would be to your benefit to get it fixed (I'm sure there's some legalease about how you have to check that all info is correct and it's you who will suffer if you didn't inform them of the mismatch). Also, plastic cards are still valid and in fact required for driving still, so you can use both but the electronic one is way more convenient for these kinds of situations like getting into an event or something like that. They can quickly scan and let you in, and they don't even see your date of birth, quite nice granular level of control!
I’m surprised you didn’t say your identity could be cancelled by the deep state.

Despite that, all of this can happen with any identity document. If it is changed in a central registry, then whatever you are using could just be pointed to as a forgery.


Right now it's an option to use either plastic or digital; I could easily see companies and governments canceling hard identification cards under the pretense of security concerns over forged documents or public safety. At that point, if an organization wants to limit your freedom or if a support technician just wants to make your life difficult, they break your access to your digital ID. Do you really think that sounds farfetched or like a deep-state conspiracy theory? I'm sure we've all had personal experience with support techs who have the power to mess up certain aspects of our day and seem to actually enjoy doing just that. I can deal with that when it's limited to a credit card or email access; when it's my whole identity, that worries me.
 
Right now it's an option to use either plastic or digital; I could easily see companies and governments canceling hard identification cards under the pretense of security concerns over forged documents or public safety. At that point, if an organization wants to limit your freedom or if a support technician just wants to make your life difficult, they break your access to your digital ID. Do you really think that sounds farfetched or like a deep-state conspiracy theory? I'm sure we've all had personal experience with support techs who have the power to mess up certain aspects of our day and seem to actually enjoy doing just that. I can deal with that when it's limited to a credit card or email access; when it's my whole identity, that worries me.
I don't know why you're talking about corporations in this example. I've encountered, and I have, an ID badge with my company, but it has RFID verification on it, I tap it to open the doors, but this requires a server side verification as well, so my company can delete me from their system if I'm fired or resign. This is the case for many companies, probably the vast majority, so I don't know why this kind of thing would be relevant? Or you're saying, they will only take digital ID to get into events and not plastic ID? Usually, there has to be a provision for people who don't have a 1) phone 2) certain phone brand 3) app 4) specific feature installed on their phone etc.

So setting aside corporations, who can cancel your ID badge right now at any moment, and have to accept plastic ID at least for the time being for events and such, and can't cancel your DMV-issued driver's license (your state's DMV is not a corporation), we're now back to governments. So, they, like corporations above, can't rely on everyone having a smartphone; there are people who don't have a smartphone, don't have an iPhone, just don't want to sign up for digital license, etc (and this is the case well into the future). You know any older gentlemen or gentleladies who don't have a smartphone, they might have a cell phone, but no smartphone, and even if they do have a smartphone, nothing says they have to use any given feature. The governments, state and federal, have to accommodate everyone.

And in addition, the federal government right now (and has been for years and years) issues passports with RFID built in which verify the passport's validity, and that can also be canceled server-side. So your fear is reality, right here, right now, and yet, hasn't been such a problem I guess? The people most negatively affected are people who forged paper passports but can't forge a valid RFID passport, at best cutting up someone else's valid passport and putting in a new picture or whatever. Regardless, passport forgery is illegal.

So where were your fears when it comes to passports, they get scanned and verified, they can be canceled, and even if you're talking about driver's licenses only, if you haven't noticed you will need Real ID soon to even travel on airlines domestically so the state verifies you've lived at your address for a time, and in addition, they scan your ID and verify at least that it's valid on their end as well, except they scan a barcode that gives just basic numbers, yes this can be forged and copied easily, is that what you want to be able to do, make a forged driver's license easily so you can travel? But still that can also be cancelled at a moment's notice, the states reserve the right to suspend your driver's license for DUIs for instance.

And in addition to the in addition, the plastic card seems to be required for the time being for actually driving. Cops in only a few states can accept any kind of digital ID, for example there's Louisiana, but they can't use the Apple Wallet system and they use their own app, and they can't accept other state's apps (maybe they could take the Apple system by using an iPhone, but we'll see, that scenario hasn't been described yet). But even in digital ID states, of course they did not cancel plastic IDs, and you might even still need it, because of the fact that internet isn't everywhere and their phone can't contact the internet in every square inch of their state, so we're left with needing the plastic ID at minimum as a backup to a state's digital ID, and in most other states they require the plastic ID and don't have any digital ID.

So I can't see this as being some dystopian technology because we're already there on passports, and kind of there with driver's licenses (they are valid or not according to the DMV), and we're nowhere near a world where they say you must have a phone with digital ID, they will still have an ID card, maybe they add in RFID driver's licenses but it would do for driver's licenses what it did for passports, enable easier verification of the validity of the ID.

And I think we're still in a world where smartphone battery life isn't infinite and we still want a backup in case our phones have no battery, etc, and so we have the card backup. I think we'll have ID cards, credit cards, and car keys (some have a car key in a wallet sized card with NFC tap), for a long time.
 
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