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Unbelievable - you losers. It's £25 difference for the 16gb, not £100

TAKE OFF THE VAT, AND REALISE THAT US PRICES DO NOT INCLUDE SALES TAX

Sheesh.

Like I said in anoher thread...

Here in Spain the 16GB wifi model is 479€ = 609 USD but...

479 with 16% tax = 402.36€ with no taxes = 511.222 USD

So it's really only 12USD more expensive...

What about UK?

Ipad Wifi 16gb UK 429 pounds = 634.444 USD

Ipad wifi 16GB UK with no taxes (19%) = 347,49 pounds = 513.779 USD

In the UK is only 15USD more expensive

Blame the taxes, not Apple :p


About importing...in Spain:

Ipad Wifi 16GB = 391euro + 16% tax + 20% customs = 544euro + shipping... that's around 600 euro!
 
I am so dissapointed that it's not coming to scandinavia

I don't understand it, every other european country is getting it, why not any of the scandinavian countries?
Maybe they're trying unsuccessfully to gouge a better deal out of the carriers, so that 3G on the iPad will be cheaper than everything else, but 3G data traffic in Scandinavia is already so dirt cheap that there's no room for a special iPad deal. The 250 MB plan in the US is, what, $14.99/month (causing the Keynote audience to gasp in astonishment)...? But in Sweden you can already get 2 GB 3G data/month for 39 SEK (5 dollars 41 cents) for your netbook or whatever, so it's not like Telia can cough up a special 15 SEK/month deal for the iPad...
 
According to my quick calculation, based on 15% sales tax in the US, which may or may not be correct, it's £40 more expensive to buy the 16GB model in the UK.

Annoying, but to be expected. If my maths is faulty, i'm sure someone will let you know.

The highest sales tax in the US is in Illinois, and that's 11.5% in some localities (11.25% in Chicago). Most states average around 6%, with New Hampshire the lowest at 0% (their property taxes are outrageous), along with Oregon, Montana, and Delaware (which has other sources of revenue, including its outrageous tolls on I-295 and I-95); Alaska has no state sales tax, but does have local sales taxes.
 
The highest sales tax in the US is in Illinois, and that's 11.5% in some localities (11.25% in Chicago). Most states average around 6%, with New Hampshire the lowest at 0% (their property taxes are outrageous), along with Oregon, Montana, and Delaware (which has other sources of revenue, including its outrageous tolls on I-295 and I-95); Alaska has no state sales tax, but does have local sales taxes.

lol. and some people say that the separated copyright is the reason why Apple can't open iTunes Music Stores in all EU countries. It sounds lika a lame excuse after learning how US sales tax works.
 
Sorry but this isn't the same unbelievable, audience-gasp-inducing $499 that they rolled out earlier this year.

This could had been £329 (given non-tax UK prices of other Apple products and the JooJoo, for sake of examples).

Opportunity missed; await iPhone 1G-like price-drop....

The British pound is 0.68 against the USD, and you expected to pay the same $499 as in the US? Hello?
 
I'm at work, I don't get to post instant replies as and when I like. Stuff to do. Is that your best argument against my position? That I don't reply fast enough?
 
btw. we are still waiting for the german prices (anybody seen them?)

16GB WiFi - 514 Euro
32GB WiFi - 614 Euro
64GB WiFi - 714 Euro
16GB WiFi+3G - 614 Euro
32GB WiFi+3G - 714 Euro
64GB WiFi+3G - 814 Euro

I guess with germany giving 22 Billion Euros to greece we're the only country left were people think there is some money left (although there really isn't). So Apple decided to cash in.

Yet another reason to skip this "gadget"
 
Apple likes to keep the post tax Euro price the same. Therefore the pre-tax Euro price varies country to country.

Eurozone VAT rates range from 15%-22%.

Therefore take $499 = €392.66 (at today's rate) and add highest rate 22% VAT = €479 approx

This would be a good guess for the euro price point, assuming no duty. But probably, €499 for additional costs.
I have trouble understanding why importing into Europe would carry an extra duty compared to importing into the U.S.? These things are manufactured in China, there is an import duty when importing them into the U.S. as well as there is one when importing into the EU. I don't know the actual rates, but I would be surprised if they differ much between the U.S. and the EU.
 
lol. and some people say that the separated copyright is the reason why Apple can't open iTunes Music Stores in all EU countries. It sounds lika a lame excuse after learning how US sales tax works.
At lot of things bought over the internet escape sales taxes because sales taxes don't apply when selling out-of-state (or rather it is the responsibility of the buyer to declare and pay them which not exactly every does). Or so it was explained to me a couple of times.
 
I have trouble understanding why importing into Europe would carry an extra duty compared to importing into the U.S.?
Because there's no import duty on an American company selling its own products in the United States.
These things are manufactured in China, there is an import duty when importing them into the U.S.
No, there isn't. Place of manufacture does not matter. An import duty is assessed for the country of destination.

If you buy something sold by an Australian company, made in Sri Lanka, that travels through Hawaii on its way to you in Canada, the import is from Australia to Canada. Sri Lanka and the US don't matter. The Australian seller is the exporter; the Canadian buyer is the importer.

Likewise, if you purchase from Apple, you are paying for an American company to import goods to you in Spain, regardless of the actual path the goods travel. The distribution chain under normal circumstances is transparent for assessment of duty (though inspection and document clearance is a different matter).

Complex goods like electronics often include multiple internal transactions, with duties and tariffs assessed at various stages of production, but the internal, production-side costs are uniform worldwide. The sales-side costs are not.

NB - You can be hit with multiple duties if you buy indirectly. If you live in Morocco and buy a computer from a French distributor, you'll probably pay the duties for US-France and France-Morocco (as well as a distributor markup and double shipping fees). This is because two retail sales have taken place, and this is why certain products are particularly expensive in countries without direct relationships (e.g. trying to buy an Apple computer in Iran).
 
Interest rates and VAT aside, it's possibly a mistake for Apple to go past the £399 psychological barrier.

Hopefully if/when the pound strengthens again Apple will reduce it to £399. It'd only take the pound moving 3-4 cents past 1.5 $ to still make Apple an extra £10 out of the exchange rate at £399.
 
Because there's no import duty on an American company selling its own products in the United States.
I don't think it is that simple.
Take components (which might take up 50% of the retail cost, though generally less for Apple). If Apple bought a harddrive from Korea, it would pay import duties when it arrives in the U.S., if 'Apple China' buys it, puts it into a computer, Apple does not pay any duties on it anymore when it arrives in the U.S.?

But does Apple actually builds their devices? Or are subcontractors building it and Apple is buying it from them?

Likewise, if you purchase from Apple, you are paying for an American company to import goods to you in Spain, regardless of the actual path the goods travel.
I agree, country of origin matters, not the country it travels through.

Complex goods like electronics often include multiple internal transactions, with duties and tariffs assessed at various stages of production, but the internal, production-side costs are uniform worldwide. The sales-side costs are not.
Ok, I am not sure what your are trying to say here, except that things are not as clear cut as your first sentence would suggest.
 
ireland gets everything last like usual.:mad::( anyone know ireland pricing

Tell me about it. I'm a dev and have two iPad apps in the pipeline. I'm probably going to have to get a grey import now. It would have been nice if they'd told us that the May launch wasn't happening.

Want to take any bets as to how long it will take O2 to get the new iPhone when it gets launched...
:(
 
I don't think it is that simple.
It isn't simple, but it is straightforward. Import duties on the sales side are an importer/exporter relationship.

Apple isn't importing to the US; it's selling in its domestic market. On the other hand, Apple is exporting to China, even to a buyer who lives just outside the factory doors.
Take components (which might take up 50% of the retail cost, though generally less for Apple).
Duties on components are uniform, production-side costs. It's not relevant to sales-side duties.

In most places, there are waivers for NFR purchases (if you're not importing for retail sale, you pay a lower duty or no duty). The example is not a good one.
If Apple bought a harddrive from Korea, it would pay import duties when it arrives in the U.S.
Not in your example, no, they wouldn't.

You have to separate the movement of goods (a paperwork issue) from the taxation issue. They're not really related.
if 'Apple China' buys it, puts it into a computer, Apple does not pay any duties on it anymore when it arrives in the U.S.?
Correct, except it's not Apple China, it's just Apple.

If a UK company builds something in the same factory in China as a US company, it's still just the US company that has to pay duties and tariffs in order to sell its products in the UK.
But does Apple actually builds their devices? Or are subcontractors building it and Apple is buying it from them?
Doesn't matter. All of that is production-side and has no bearing on the final, sales-side import duty on the product.
Ok, I am not sure what your are trying to say here, except that things are not as clear cut as your first sentence would suggest.
But they are. Production-side costs are uniform. Apple may pay various duties, taxes, and tariffs in the process of buying components and assembling computers, but those costs are identical regardless of where the computer is ultimately sold.

The final import duty that affects international pricing is for sales, not production. There are no added costs on top of production for American companies doing business in America. There are additional costs for American companies doing business in other countries.

Say the widget costs Company A $100 to make in China, which includes all component costs, taxes, royalties, packaging, etc. They have $10 in business overhead (R&D, support, marketing, etc.), it costs $5 in distribution, and they sell it for $125 in the US. Profit: $10.

Now they want to sell it in Foreign Country X. It still costs them the same $100 to make in China, they still have the same $10 overhead, but now distribution is $6, and they have an import duty on the finished product to pay of $10, and they have overseas business operation expenses of $4 per unit. They have to sell it at the equivalent of $140 to make the same profit.

If country X uses a VAT system, that's an added expense to build into the price. Company A does have the option of pooling all expenses worldwide and selling everywhere at the same price, but that means that countries with below-average sales costs are overpaying to subsidize countries with above-average sales costs, so a lot of companies choose not to and place local sales burdens on customers in those markets.
 
Compare the cost of virtually any hardware on the Apple store, US price vs UK price, and you are looking at US price + duty + vat + a few percent on top = UK price. Seriously, unlike the majority of products coming into the UK, Apples prices are pretty close once you take out all the taxes the UK government applies to them.

This is the point I was making,typing quickly. I'd taken a couple of random products (white MB; MBP entry level) and compared non-tax prices using whichever exchange rate my dashboard widget was showing; they were pretty close (infact adding duty would bring them in line.

Based on that, and chucking the JooJoo pricing in to the equation ($499vs£319) I figured that around £329 would be an good price to bet on.

£329 would have been closer (about £30 over) to that unbelievable, audience-gasp-enducing price that $499 was when it was announced.

For the time being I'll stick with the cardboard one that sits on my office desk and fools everyone;-)
 
iPads... Are Go!

http://www.youtube.com/v/2K9rVRuehGU
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This is the point I was making,typing quickly. I'd taken a couple of random products (white MB; MBP entry level) and compared non-tax prices using whichever exchange rate my dashboard widget was showing; they were pretty close (infact adding duty would bring them in line.

Based on that, and chucking the JooJoo pricing in to the equation ($499vs£319) I figured that around £329 would be an good price to bet on.

£329 would have been closer (about £30 over) to that unbelievable, audience-gasp-enducing price that $499 was when it was announced.

For the time being I'll stick with the cardboard one that sits on my office desk and fools everyone;-)

But if it were 329 in the uk, then the price minus the VAT would work out at $414 - and no way would APple make it oer $80 cheaper outside of the US.

£399 would have been lovely but i think £429 is about right
 
This is the point I was making,typing quickly. I'd taken a couple of random products (white MB; MBP entry level) and compared non-tax prices [...] £329 would have been closer (about £30 over) to that unbelievable, audience-gasp-enducing price that $499 was when it was announced.
There is something seriously wrong with your math, then.

£329 is £280+VAT, or $411. That's nowhere near $499. £399 would be a 1:1 price point as of 7 May, ignoring international costs.

Apple is charging a premium of £25 pre-tax for overseas costs--well under 10%. I'm not sure where you're possibly getting the idea that £300 is (a) close to $500 [£339] or (b) that Apple would eat VAT for UK customers.

Edit: If you're suggesting that the pre-tax price should be closer to the £319 of the JooJoo, don't forget that they're charging £15 separately for "shipping" (included in the US price), so you're still looking at £334 minimum in comparison (and it seems Fusion Garage is also leaving duties and customs fees to the customers rather than paying them, so that's another added cost). Fusion Garage also doesn't seem to have a whole lot of business sense, and I think their big struggle right now is just getting someone to buy the thing at any price. They're already deep in the hole.
 
I think one point to remember on international pricing is that they like to keep the price of a product static throughout its lifetime. So these iPads may stay at the same price until a refresh potentially next spring. In this case they have to build a cushion into the price to allow for the exchange rate fluctuations that may occur. If they charge a bit of so called 'Apple Tax' outside the US they know that it is very unlikely that they will get burned if the Pound or Euro value against the Dollar goes against them.
 
How much for the base model?

Sorry Apple, lost sale here.

The new iPhone is my priority and I cant justify over £400 for a device (as cool as it is) that isn't as powerful and more expensive than my sub £400 Win7 lappy.

Make it £350 and you have a deal.
 
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