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I'm telling you, Apple has too much on the plate right now. Being ambitious is great but there is a time and place for it, not to mention there is a way of going about it.

Riiiight... Now, remind me again what multi-billion dollar, zeitgeist-defining computer & consumer electronics company *you're* CEO of?

What time?
What place?
What way?
 
It really is disappointing for customers who bought the product with the initial two week quote in mind.

If the update was so crucial to your use of a new aTV, why didn't you just wait until the update was out before buying the hardware?
 
Well, I am kind of upset about the delay. I bought the :apple:TV the new price point 2 weeks ago. I also rented a movie the next day in anticipation of being able to watch it on my HD TV yesterday. I have about 2 weeks left to watch it and I sure as hell hope that they release the update before the rental expires. I'll be upset if I have to watch it on a small screen verses my HD TV. I am a little disappointed that they haven't been meeting announced deadlines lately. Leopard, AppleTV update, and there is something else I am missing but I can't remember what. I hope that this isn't what the future holds for them. I don't want them to end up like M$ and keep pushing back more and more projects and release dates. I really hope that this update comes by this time next week...
 
What are you talking about? Do you have an Apple TV. Even the current version of it is really cool.

Once the Rental Store is over I for one will never use OnDemand to rent a movie again. Talk about a poor and slow user interface.

As far as the library goes, at launch it will be much larger than many cable companies OnDemand (I'm referring to the movie rental portion) service.

In my opinion Apple as mastered the art of video DRM.

What I am talking about is the poor launch / sales performance / and confusing market segment that has plagued the Apple TV.

Can't comment on "cool" factor - thus far (may change) the Apple TV has been a disappointment for Apple. And NO - I do not own one and, like many others, will NOT own one until the feature set becomes attractive. I'm not a COMCAST fanboy but we have been renting HD movies for some time now w/o needing additional hardware and having the choice of MANY movies from the vast COMCAST library - it is 2008 and still no Apple HD online - Apple is still in a catch up mode with this thing.
 
i was under the impression that the MBAs needed 10.5.2 with air disc or whatever it's called... does this mean that apple is going to release 10.5.2 today?
I was thinking the same thing. How did the reviews do it? I'll be mad if it doesn't come out this week. I'm waiting on it to get a Mac Pro.

P6
 
Well, I am kind of upset about the delay. I bought the :apple:TV the new price point 2 weeks ago. I also rented a movie the next day in anticipation of being able to watch it on my HD TV yesterday. I have about 2 weeks left to watch it and I sure as hell hope that they release the update before the rental expires. I'll be upset if I have to watch it on a small screen verses my HD TV. I am a little disappointed that they haven't been meeting announced deadlines lately. Leopard, AppleTV update, and there is something else I am missing but I can't remember what. I hope that this isn't what the future holds for them. I don't want them to end up like M$ and keep pushing back more and more projects and release dates. I really hope that this update comes by this time next week...

How upset? Really? Four whole dollars upset? Jeez, it's the price of a cup of coffee.
 
MicroZoft has managed to get the studios to do this for the 360 download store with no problems...in HD.

I can't imagine that Apple would be less capable in negotiations than microsoft.

but then that would mean they just couldn't get the code right in time for their own announced deadline...and that would be in line with their recent software efforts.

They are for sure not less capable, BUT the studios seems to dislike Apple a great deal. Especially since they "ruined the music industry" and all...
 
i was under the impression that the MBAs needed 10.5.2 with air disc or whatever it's called... does this mean that apple is going to release 10.5.2 today?

The MBA has a special revision of Mac OS X 10.5.1 shipping on it. It is a different build than what you and I are using right now. The MBA's build will contain feature specific enhancements to it. 10.5.2 will bring everyone onto the same page/build again.
 
How upset? Really? Four whole dollars upset? Jeez, it's the price of a cup of coffee.

First of all, $4 to a college student is a lot of money. lol. And upset that when I come home from being at school all day and at work after that, I'd like to be able to lay on my bed and watch the movie from my TV, not my laptop.
 
I bought the :apple:TV the new price point 2 weeks ago. I also rented a movie the next day in anticipation of being able to watch it on my HD TV yesterday.

Why?

Especially why would you rent a movie knowing it would be at least two weeks until you could watch it?

I don't get it.
 
I don't know if this has been said, but I'm hoping that the reason they have delayed the Apple TV refresh is because they're working hard on the new MBPs :cool:
 
First of all, $4 to a college student is a lot of money. lol. And upset that when I come home from being at school all day and at work after that, I'd like to be able to lay on my bed and watch the movie from my TV, not my laptop.

I hear you, but my point was more that you ran thank risk by renting it before the software was released, meaning it was always a possibility. it sucks, I know, I'm eager to try it out.
 
I also rented a movie the next day in anticipation of being able to watch it on my HD TV yesterday. I have about 2 weeks left to watch it and I sure as hell hope that they release the update before the rental expires. I'll be upset if I have to watch it on a small screen verses my HD TV.

Disappointing - but there's no question they'll refund you if the Apple TV update doesn't arrive before your 30 days is up. In fact, I'm sure they'll do something for you even it comes out just before the 30 days is up.

I'm disappointed the update is delayed, and we won't even be getting movies (at all, rented or to buy) for quite some time in the UK...
 
First of all, $4 to a college student is a lot of money. lol. And upset that when I come home from being at school all day and at work after that, I'd like to be able to lay on my bed and watch the movie from my TV, not my laptop.

$4 dollars is a lot to a college student?

Yet you own a laptop, an Apple TV, and an HDTV? Hmmmm....
 
I was thinking the same thing. How did the reviews do it? I'll be mad if it doesn't come out this week. I'm waiting on it to get a Mac Pro.

The MBA comes with an installer disk that will let any mac or PC share the optical drive. 10.5.2 may have that code, but the updated OS isn't needed.

What I am talking about is the poor launch / sales performance / and confusing market segment that has plagued the Apple TV.

There's no doubt that the original release was lackluster, but I suspect even apple knew that. Even if they did everything perfectly with the box itself, without content from the studios it wouldn't have done much.

A delay is just a delay. I think it's too early to judge whether version 2 gets it right.
 
I bought last week in anticipation for v2, but frankly even at v1.1 is a very nice product at a great price.
However I am getting anxious to start converting my library of DVD's to h264, but until v2 comes out nobody knows for sure how 5.1 audio will be handled.
I find that right now it's a bit picky on some compression settings, so I'm afraid to run any conversion until the format support can be really analyzed.
 
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they've been reading all the online responses and are adding features and fixing things so it launches as perfect as possible.

Sure, we're ALL disappointed, but with Apple it's usually worth waiting for. I hope.

As a developer myself... I can tell you it ain't features. No chance, no way, no how.

I bet you anything that what happened is that they were in the final test run against the code the week of MWSF. During that run they found a 'ship-stopper' bug, one that you cannot ship the device with (something that makes the software difficult to use, crashes, etc). Once they find such a bug, they have to put off shipping, scramble to fix it, and run the final tests all over again. It takes about 1-2 weeks for something like the Apple TV in terms of complexity, and dependant on if they find any new bugs they missed in the last pass.

Now, this doesn't mean they will find every bug, or that a nasty one won't slip through unfound... but usually the developers stop shipment of an update/etc if a big one is found, even right before sending it out the door.
 
$4 dollars is a lot to a college student?

Yet you own a laptop, an Apple TV, and an HDTV? Hmmmm....

HDTV was a gift. Laptop was graduation present 3 years ago. Apple TV was a present to myself, and I work hard for my money. So, yes, $4 is a lot to a college student. Thank you for your interest into my life.
 
All the negative votes and posts whining about the delay. I wish it was here as expected, but so what it is not. Get on with your lives, a week or two is nothing. Get over yourselves.
 
Actually it's more than just the user interface.

They're moving it from Tiger (10.4) to Leopard (10.5) also.

The download itself should be quite large, which might be a part of the problem with the eminent release of 10.5.2. I'm not sure if the two releases are connected, but I wouldn't be surprised in the lease.

Expect it to be closer to one week than two, depending on 10.5.2 (it will be after that release).

Yeah, and what besides watching rented movies, and okay this flickr thing, can't you do with an AppleTV and a PC or Mac now? I mean, I know the interface may get a lot spiffier, and purchasing music/movies from the sofa and listening/watching right away without buying on a computer and then syncing will be nice. But you can pretty much do everything now, save watch rentals and the flickr thing, and the latter is kind of just candy, really.

I've had my ATV since the month they were released and I still can't figure out why so many people think they are so lacking even as they were first released. I have a Blu-ray player, so stepped-on downloadable HD content doesn't much impress me, as what I've seen via other HD downloads really looks no better than standard up-converted DVDs and little better than standard iTunes movies that my HDTV upscales with its own video processing unit. Yeah, 5.1 discrete channel digital audio support for movies will be nice, I'll give you that -- but you know most Apple TV owners are using composite audio connections, so that won't matter; they'll have to go optical or use a *real* HDMI A/V receiver -- about $1,000 for openers; the $500 models are just HDMI pass-through; they're HDMI *switches*, they don't strip and process the digital audio.

Anyway, I look forward to the update. But I've had no ATV qualms at all. It's just like any other home media-sharing device, except not so freaking complicated and it doesn't tend to stop working or "forget" its source for no reason.
 
Why?

Especially why would you rent a movie knowing it would be at least two weeks until you could watch it?

I don't get it.

Two weeks vs. 4 weeks ... that's the difference and why I'm upset. I downloaded it because I wanted to see how long it'd take on my connection. Surprisingly not very long. And I'd have 30 days to watch it. But, with how this is panning out, it'll be 28+ days until I am able to enjoy it how I want to. I mean, yes I can watch it on my laptop, but I'd much rather enjoy it on a larger screen and in a more relaxed state.
 
All the negative votes and posts whining about the delay. I wish it was here as expected, but so what it is not. Get on with your lives, a week or two is nothing. Get over yourselves.

I'm not bitching or complaining, I just wish it'd be here already. It'd be nice is all. And like, I said, I hope that they can get their deadlines back on track. Seems like they've been off ever since the iPhone. I'm sure that they'll get back on track, but I just didn't see it taking this long.
 
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