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Apple Announces New Dock Connector Called 'Lightning'
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Not today. But I think this is because the iPhone 5 doesn't speak USB3 or Thunderbolt. There's probably no reason this physical connector can't be used with a usb3 or thunderbolt interface in the future. My big question is whether line out has been dropped. I doubt it: imagine all the iPod car kits that wouldn't be compatible. Not even Apple would do that.
This is what frustrates me. So I can get the iPhone 5 in a week and a half, but I have to wait until next month before I can listen to music in my car?
audio line-out from the Lightning adapter
The quality of audio that comes out of the headphone jack of an iPhone/iPod is significantly lower than that from the line output that has been available via the 30-pin doc connector. One would like the Lightning adapter to provide proper line levels via a high-quality built-in DAC; it's clearly not just a passive adapter, so hopefully this is the case. If they use a DAC at least as good as what's in my iPhone 4S, I'll consider the cost justifiable.
The quality of audio that comes out of the headphone jack of an iPhone/iPod is significantly lower than that from the line output that has been available via the 30-pin doc connector. One would like the Lightning adapter to provide proper line levels via a high-quality built-in DAC; it's clearly not just a passive adapter, so hopefully this is the case. If they use a DAC at least as good as what's in my iPhone 4S, I'll consider the cost justifiable.
Have you seen Apple's prices on other cables and adapters?
Example:
Apple Mini Displayport to VGA:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB572Z/A/mini-displayport-to-vga-adapter?fnode=53
Monoprice Mini Displayport to VGA:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10428&cs_id=1042802&p_id=5107&seq=1&format=2
About a $20 difference. Apple charges as much as they do for adapters and cables because they can. The sync cable is $20 (dock connector and lightning), but 3rd party resellers have them for as little as $2 each.
I wouldn't assume much of anything at this point.
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Reversible, booyah! Too many connectors are awful user design. Take USB, for example. How many times have you tried sticking it in a port the wrong way? I'm a big fan of the Mini DisplayPort because it's hard to get it wrong, along with FireWire 400. FireWire 800 was okay, but I liked it less than 400 because while the male end was obvious, the female end was less so.
As for the price of the adapter, that's not surprising. Remember, it's got to translate 30 ports into 8, and none of us are entirely sure yet what each of those 8 ports do. Could be fairly complicated.
As for the price of the adapter, that's not surprising. Remember, it's got to translate 30 ports into 8, and none of us are entirely sure yet what each of those 8 ports do. Could be fairly complicated.
$29? Seriously? are they kidding? I was expecting this stupid little adapter to cost $10, mostly because they've forced it on us. I thought in an effort to make uptake easier they would only charge $10. Now I'll have to wait several months until the $5 third party adapter comes out. Tim, you've made some dumb mistakes lately. I'm as big a fanboy as you'll find, so when you do something to annoy me you know you've really screwed up.
Probably try it upside down first more times than the right way up.
The USB standards committee must have regretted the design because the mini- and micro-USB ports have angled edges so you can tell
Apparently you've never seen Monster cables? Or any kind of HDMI cable sold in a store (cables produced for well under $5 that are sold for over $50)? Or just about any other cable ever made, especially when they are new?
"Lightning" port - what is it?
I suspect it's either a single lane Thunderbolt port, or derivative technology.
If so, that should mean it's capable of 5GB single duplex/ 10GB full duplex traffic that supports pci-express and display port protocols.
I suspect it's either a single lane Thunderbolt port, or derivative technology.
If so, that should mean it's capable of 5GB single duplex/ 10GB full duplex traffic that supports pci-express and display port protocols.
What a joke. Oh well the cheapo Chinese adapters will soon flood the market.
Pretty much seals the deal I'm skipping the iphone 5.
You'd need an active cable to convert from PCIE to USB. Not very likely.
I'd expect it's something far more straightforward. 2 power pins, one serial tx line, one serial rx line, and a few pins in reserve for later use. Essentially USB in a different connector with a few extra pins thrown on.
Huh?
Wouldn't the new iphone 5 -- or any new "Lightning" devise come with its own cable? What's the purpose of buying one?
If you decide to keep your old iPhone 4 or 4S... The cables you have will still work, won't they?
I'm not sure why most posts are negative with regard to the new cable....
Is there something I'm missing?
Wouldn't the new iphone 5 -- or any new "Lightning" devise come with its own cable? What's the purpose of buying one?
If you decide to keep your old iPhone 4 or 4S... The cables you have will still work, won't they?
I'm not sure why most posts are negative with regard to the new cable....
Is there something I'm missing?
Hmmm, on Apple's website it states * Video and iPod Out not supported., but it's not entirely clear what that means. By "iPod Out" is it possible they're talking about the headphone jack? Or are they actually saying for cars with integrated iPod cables you will cease to be able to use your iPhone for music in your car, because if that's the case that's going to be a huge problem for myself and a lot of others.
Says the Apple Store.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD823ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adapter?fnode=48#overview
Read the Overview. Kinda contradicts what we heard in the Keynote doesn't it?
Apple is communicating very poorly about this. The link above isn't concrete enough for me to give up hope. There are millions of cars on the road and in showrooms with iPod input. If the iPhone 5 can't hook into them using the 30 pin adapter there will be hell to pay. Therefore I expect it to all work out in the end.
I agree. Thousands of people, if not more, who regularly listen to their iPhone in their car are going to have a huge issue. The Apple Store website clearly says "Video and iPod Out not supported". But the Keynote clearly says, and even shows an iPhone 5 connected to a car via the adaptor, that this will still be possible. This is something Apple needs to clarify very quickly, before preorders begin.
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They sure are! But it's very hard to ignore what the Apple Store website clearly says, especially when we're prepared to spend hundreds of dollars on the iPhone 5. For me, I just can't commit to buying one unless I know for certain it will work in my car. Listening to my iPhone while driving is something I hold in very high regard.
This is absolutely correct! The audio quality via the headphone jack is NOT the same quality you get from the audio out via the dock connector. I am intimately familiar with the differences because of my work designing a custom iPod interface for my Miata:
http://markshangout.com/blog/2011/5/4/custom-iphone-or-ipod-install-in-99-01-miata.html
Mark
Because your old accessories will NOT work with the new iPhone (iPhone 5). Many of us have invested a lot in multiple accessories.