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I worked in downtown Detroit on the Little Caesars Arena in 2016-17 and you know how I realized downtown had become safe? When I saw all these young white girls, who were live in the downtown apartments, jogging or walking their dogs around all times of the day. I never would white folks would be living in Detroit expect maybe old liberals.

They have so many cameras down there (we installed some) and the police are so responsive in Downtown. Mayor Mike Duggan, the first white mayor in decades, brought in big money to downtown and he made sure the investment was protected. Now the other parts of Detroit... no so much but downtown is safe. Of course operate down there with common sense but I don't think Apple has anything to worry about. Even when that BLM stuff was going on the Detroit police had it much more controlled than other places.
Fair enough point but the irony of a lot of what you said is very telling regarding the mayor.
 
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Have you been there in the last several years? It's as safe downtown as any other major city, if not more.
One little central area being safe in major inner cities is one thing. As soon as you venture a couple blocks outside it’s not good. They try to make these little utopia so people from miles and miles away will come spend money. The core citizenry of the cities is a completely different mess.
 
I worked in downtown Detroit on the Little Caesars Arena in 2016-17 and you know how I realized downtown had become safe? When I saw all these young white girls, who were live in the downtown apartments, jogging or walking their dogs around all times of the day. I never would white folks would be living in Detroit expect maybe old liberals.

They have so many cameras down there (we installed some) and the police are so responsive in Downtown. Mayor Mike Duggan, the first white mayor in decades, brought in big money to downtown and he made sure the investment was protected. Now the other parts of Detroit... no so much but downtown is safe. Of course operate down there with common sense but I don't think Apple has anything to worry about. Even when that BLM stuff was going on the Detroit police had it much more controlled than other places.
Regarding girls jogging around feeling safe…..Is that still the case 8 years later?
 
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Regarding girls jogging around feeling safe…..Is that still the case 8 years later?

It's been getting safer since then, not less, and the area is expanding.

One little central area being safe in major inner cities is one thing. As soon as you venture a couple blocks outside it’s not good. They try to make these little utopia so people from miles and miles away will come spend money. The core citizenry of the cities is a completely different mess.

Where are you getting your information? I go there, routinely, and it's not a little 2-block utopia, is the vast majority of downtown.

You're using outdated info from over a decade ago.
 
This reeks of a paid placement to lend credibility and entice other commercial real estate. I wonder if the new Apple Store will support the self-checkout system where you can just buy and walk out without interacting with a rep? Outside of a .5 mile area centered around Quicken and maybe Little Caesars there is not much happening in Detroit. I lived there not long ago and the city is dead.
 
Sounds like you haven't been to Downtown Detroit in recent... It's booming now and really nice
Even when part of that booming will be the sound of the Renaissance Center getting demolished?

(Though a tough situation here; both the location and obsolete buildings from the rotating-restaurant era are completely wrong for Apple. Plus a site that looks like a collection of silos is a bad corporate image and GM should be happy they're getting out.)
 
Even when part of that booming will be the sound of the Renaissance Center getting demolished?

(Though a tough situation here; both the location and obsolete buildings from the rotating-restaurant era are completely wrong for Apple. Plus a site that looks like a collection of silos is a bad corporate image and GM should be happy they're getting out.)
The Ren Cen isn’t currently planned for demolition—they plan on taking two towers out, removing a lot of the lower structure to open up the view of the river, and renovating the rest to become housing, retail, and some office space (the hotel is staying). So the Ren Cen isn’t changing in a way that affects the skyline, but a lot of the issues people have with it will change (hopefully about the time they remove I-375).
 
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So many stupid replies here about the site getting robbed and quickly shutting down. There’s a reason why you’re on this site posting asking for bread while these developers establish a new site. I’m glad they’re bringing it downtown. It’s awesome to see the changes this town has gone through. If I’m correct, it’ll be right by, if not in, the new Hudson building.

Some of you don’t realize that the store in downtown Chicago still thrives. It gets looted everyday — even with multiple on site off duty officers. I would know. I did loss prevention there.

Stop betting ignorant fools.
Starbucks down the road was shut down for this very reason.

I have offices right downtown there, multiple buildings in that corridor. Detroit's problem has been, is, and foreseeably will continue to be Detroiters.

It's not ignorance, it is fact unfortunately.
 
I worked in downtown Detroit on the Little Caesars Arena in 2016-17 and you know how I realized downtown had become safe? When I saw all these young white girls, who were live in the downtown apartments, jogging or walking their dogs around all times of the day. I never would white folks would be living in Detroit expect maybe old liberals.

They have so many cameras down there (we installed some) and the police are so responsive in Downtown. Mayor Mike Duggan, the first white mayor in decades, brought in big money to downtown and he made sure the investment was protected. Now the other parts of Detroit... no so much but downtown is safe. Of course operate down there with common sense but I don't think Apple has anything to worry about. Even when that BLM stuff was going on the Detroit police had it much more controlled than other places.

Chief Craig is what made downtown safe! I remember he said he wasn’t playing games and watch what happens first day he starts DPD. People laughed because detroit police were all talk and doing nothing at that point. First day on the job, city busses full of police showed up all over the city arresting endless amounts of people. He told them again he wasn’t playing. That was the beginning of detroit being a safe(er) place to be 👏

I dare say it’s safer walking around downtown Detroit these days than walking around downtown San Francisco. That says a lot.
 
Chief Craig is what made downtown safe! I remember he said he wasn’t playing games and watch what happens first day he starts DPD. People laughed because detroit police were all talk and doing nothing at that point. First day on the job, city busses full of police showed up all over the city arresting endless amounts of people. He told them again he wasn’t playing. That was the beginning of detroit being a safe(er) place to be 👏

I dare say it’s safer walking around downtown Detroit these days than walking around downtown San Francisco. That says a lot.
I was there last year for a Stars/Wings game. I still wouldn’t bring my wife and children there.

I can’t think of a single metro city in the USA that isn’t an absolute ghetto.
 
Sounds like you haven't been to Downtown Detroit in recent... It's booming now and really nice

Has it improved much since late 2018? That was the last I went and it still felt a bit sketchy walking between the VA and Wayne State Old Main on a weekday at noon.

The property prices are proximity to family in Canada are appealing otherwise.
So many stupid replies here about the site getting robbed and quickly shutting down. There’s a reason why you’re on this site posting asking for bread while these developers establish a new site. I’m glad they’re bringing it downtown. It’s awesome to see the changes this town has gone through. If I’m correct, it’ll be right by, if not in, the new Hudson building.

Some of you don’t realize that the store in downtown Chicago still thrives. It gets looted everyday — even with multiple on site off duty officers. I would know. I did loss prevention there.

Stop betting ignorant fools.
Is this sarcasm? How would it get looted with so many off duty officers?
 
Has it improved much since late 2018? That was the last I went and it still felt a bit sketchy walking between the VA and Wayne State Old Main on a weekday at noon.
No. You go a block or two in from the facades and it's the same town everyone has known for 55 plus years now. Sad but true.
 
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